Goal or not...

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Hard to argue with with ref's interpretation, harsh as it is, no?
 
No doubt it's a goal. Ball was never dead at any point. Tough lesson for the goalie, but I'm sure one he won't forget.
 
Not for me. The goalie saved it. After he saved it he dropped the ball and it went in to the net. If it had been given against Hibs I would be raging.
 
The keeper didn't have the ball under control; it was up to the referee whether the ball was still in motion.
It was then up to the referee to decide if the motion was a direct result of the initial kick.

A painful lesson for the keeper!



This is one of the best, particularly the slow-motion of the keeper celebrating as the ball rolls over the line:

[video=youtube;VBDGmUEcHaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBDGmUEcHaw[/video]

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Dub said:
Not for me. The goalie saved it. After he saved it he dropped the ball and it went in to the net. If it had been given against Hibs I would be raging.
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its been on fb for about a week now and debated to death.

for me its a goal

when the keeper thinks he has it in his hands he actually fumbles it and it rolls behind him, meaning the motion of the ball is still continuing. The ref interprets this the same way. He doesn't even hesitate to give a goal as he was watching it from kick to goal.

I think the keeper was more interested in giving the giruy gesture than making sure the ball didn't finish up in the net.

bad coaching from their keeper coach[if they have one] if they tell laddies that they only have get a touch on the ball at a penalty[shoot-out]. Keeper coaching teaches the laddies that they must make sure 'the ball is safe at all times' whether thats in their hands or out the park. Anywhere but in the net.
 
It is 100% up to the Ref to decide if the penalty kick is over. Doesn't matter if it is 1 motion or more, or if the keeper has full control or not.

As always you play the whistle.
 
Out of interest, the two referees I know who have seen it would NOT have given the goal :read: Here's why, from the laws of the game:

"The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick". :hmmm

Never mind the debate over the goal...why was someone from YFS allowed on the pitch during the penalty shoot out?

FIFA rules clearly state that "only the eligible players and match officials are permitted to remain on the field of play when kicks from the penalty mark are being taken". :glassraise:
 
I think the above debate, between folk with probably over 500 years experience of watching the game, and a few pedantic referees who want their 15 seconds of fame ;-) is that it's always best to make sure there is no doubt.

Having kept the ball out the goalkeepers laces should have gone through the ball like an exocet!
 
... and other referees should know better.

The referees decision is final. It was a goal.
 
SKII said:
Out of interest, the two referees I know who have seen it would NOT have given the goal :read: Here's why, from the laws of the game:

"The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick". :hmmm

Never mind the debate over the goal...why was someone from YFS allowed on the pitch during the penalty shoot out?

FIFA rules clearly state that "only the eligible players and match officials are permitted to remain on the field of play when kicks from the penalty mark are being taken". :glassraise:
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husband & wife team pretty much get a free run at all games they attend
 
Take away technicalities, I think NO goal. Keeper clearly saves it then as part of the celebration gives it a girupy
by throwing the ball away. Did he mean to throw it in the net, probably not, did he make an erase of it, probably yes.
A goal, nut
 
I was taught - in a shoot out the pen is over when the ball moves back towards the taker - by any amount.

off the post and in - is ok

off the cross bar and down in front of the line (back towards taker) and spin back in - no goal

off the post (back towards taker) off back of goalies head and in - no goal.

so if the keeper moved the ball forward then no goal - else goal - can't tell from that angle.

... but that doesn't fit with this????

"The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick".
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Dub said:
Not for me. The goalie saved it. After he saved it he dropped the ball and it went in to the net. If it had been given against Hibs I would be raging.
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I'm with the views the ball was never dead, though it took a second watch. I'm not sure what I'd have concluded had he tossed it over his shoulder, but he never has it under complete control, he fumbles it in after failing to make a clean catch when it comes back down, and while it is still travelling from the impact of the initial shot and his initial parry. Definite goal IMHO.
 
egb_hibs said:
I'm with the views the ball was never dead, though it took a second watch. I'm not sure what I'd have concluded had he tossed it over his shoulder, but he never has it under complete control, he fumbles it in after failing to make a clean catch when it comes back down, and while it is still travelling from the impact of the initial shot and his initial parry. Definite goal IMHO.
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It looks like I'm taking the EGB stance where I am in a minority of one on this subject :giggle:
 
Dub said:
It looks like I'm taking the EGB stance where I am in a minority of one on this subject :giggle:
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egb_hibs said:
I'm with the views the ball was never dead, though it took a second watch. I'm not sure what I'd have concluded had he tossed it over his shoulder, but he never has it under complete control, he fumbles it in after failing to make a clean catch when it comes back down, and while it is still travelling from the impact of the initial shot and his initial parry. Definite goal IMHO.
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He clearly wants to give the taker a giruy as soon as he can, laddies at that age normally would, but in his haste he hasn't made a clean catch of the ball, he's fumbled it through his arms and its rolled in. All whilst the ball is still in motion. It has never stopped since the kick. Goal!

If he had[made a clean catch] he could've just stood there, showed the taker the ball[in his hands] and said "wanna try again". Thats as much of a giruy as you can get in that situation.
 
Gunnerhibby said:
He clearly wants to give the taker a giruy as soon as he can, laddies at that age normally would, but in his haste he hasn't made a clean catch of the ball, he's fumbled it through his arms and its rolled in. All whilst the ball is still in motion. It has never stopped since the kick. Goal!

If he had[made a clean catch] he could've just stood there, showed the taker the ball[in his hands] and said "wanna try again". Thats as much of a giruy as you can get in that situation.
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...but doesn't the ball end up in the net cause of the goalies added momentum on the ball - not the kickers?

"The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick".
 
Kenny said:
...but doesn't the ball end up in the net cause of the goalies added momentum on the ball - not the kickers?

"The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick".
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same could be said for when he blocks the ball initially on the ground. It comes back down and he doesn't get full control of it. It wouldn't have went up in the air if he didn't block it.

To me, its all part of the one play, where the ball remains in motion throughout, from the kick, until it stops in the net.

Goal! :glassraise:
 
SKII said:
Out of interest, the two referees I know who have seen it would NOT have given the goal :read: Here's why, from the laws of the game:

"The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick". :hmmm

Never mind the debate over the goal...why was someone from YFS allowed on the pitch during the penalty shoot out?

FIFA rules clearly state that "only the eligible players and match officials are permitted to remain on the field of play when kicks from the penalty mark are being taken". :glassraise:
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It wasn't Don Revie by any chance was it ?
 
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