Egg chasing No contact in schools.
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Jack
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Did you see the middle aged wifie explaining it on the news?
I wonder what actual experience she has, not just with rugby in schools, but sports in general?
What next? Cricket balls, hockey sticks and stuff like that made from foam? Football boots that look like boxing gloves, boxing well err, naw that's a no no.
School sports kit might comprise of one of those big sphere things in the not too distant future. Maybe everyone should wear on all the time.
I wonder what actual experience she has, not just with rugby in schools, but sports in general?
What next? Cricket balls, hockey sticks and stuff like that made from foam? Football boots that look like boxing gloves, boxing well err, naw that's a no no.
School sports kit might comprise of one of those big sphere things in the not too distant future. Maybe everyone should wear on all the time.
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Yer joking eh? Bloody hell like, shocking if true! How they meant to know if they're any good at rugby, or even enjoy it properly, if they arenae really playing friggin rugby????
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Rugby is different I would say - it's a proper contact sport and I'd guess the injury rate is horrific. It's one thing between consenting adults, another entirely for kids. I'd probably let mine play if they wanted though.
Funnily enough my eldest played his first game of 11s this week, on the very same pitch that ended my youth career because I was pressurised into playing when injured and ended up out of all sport for a year. I suppose the argument is more complex than just the sport itself, really.
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Too be fair injuries do occur.But that can be said for any sport.Far tae nanny state for me.Just wonder why it's Rubgy now,when it was boxing for so long.They do however play touch Rugby in New Zealand at very young ages.But ultimately U need tae take a hit tae learn.Precautions are in place now at local clubs and schools for injuries.So I say let the kids play .
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Ironically just at Murrayfield with my U16s winning a National competition!
Here's a few thoughts......this woman has a clear vendetta against one sport. She has incredibly flimsy stats to back up her case. I'll bet she had a good job finding they 70 healthcare professionals to sign her letter with many more telling her to GTF.
Anecdotally, you will get a fairly even spread of injured rugby, football, basketball etc etc players in A&E on a Saturday afternoon.
Every rugby coach must complete a rugby ready course which is heavily based on health, safety and welfare of players. Fail to pass this annually, ye dinnae get on a park with laddies. End of.
Very few schools run contact rugby in PE lessons due to mixed ability and genders in groups. Touch and tag are the norm. In the occasional year you get a class which may all be same gender, even ability in rugby and able to play contact safely in class. I've done this twice in a 13 year career.
My verdict.....as parents we make joint decisions with our kids about the activities they pursue. For me and my PE teacher parents it was fitba, rugby and basketball til 16. I got a few places in rugby and had to cut the other 2 loose.
Just like my folks did, if my kids pick a sport I'll support them, regardless of risk. Sport provides hopes, dreams, passion, discipline and most of all friendship. You might get injured and have your ability to play taken away, but no one can take the memories and feelings any sport gives you.
Short answer... The woman is bonkers.
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Harry Potters no happy, where will the gunts future players get their experience from?
southfieldhibby
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You fishing here? What kind of class war against pretty much the entire borders community or Prestonpans or Tranent or even Porty ffs! Go and tell the Welsh or Irish you want to fight their class. Just because a % of Edinburgh and home counties play rugby, dinnae be daft to coral everyone into that wee stereotype.
It's like calling all Pet Shop Boys fans lovers of hide the sausage.
Smurf
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I wasn't being remotely serious but I would ban private schools...
Back on the topic I read a very interesting report yesterday in the Daily Mail on the 70 so called experts. Many clearly have an agenda.
Hide the sausage?!!
bigmanandy
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Same as when I was at school.
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Smurf
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No thanks.
Learn something new everyday! Wee Google Search there. Well at least it doesn't involve gerbils or hamsters...
southfieldhibby
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I wouldn't, but I'd remove their charitable status.
Smurf
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Indeed. However, I firmly believe the unique UK class structure can't be broken until fee paying schools are no more. However, it's not going to happen.
egb_hibs
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Before you could even consider it you'd need to ensure the result wouldn't be an absolute monopoly of politically correct state education producing whimpering safe-spacers who view failure in their LGBT history exam as deferred success. Unless that is you want the whole country bankrupt and like a soft as shite version of East Germany. Then again you are a labour ultra so that may be exactly your aim
You also wage the strangest 'class war', with targets seemingly unconnected by anything other than personal irritation
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egb_hibs
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I simply find rugby to be the most unutterably tedious spectacle. I've went to a couple of Scotland matches on hospitality dos and never been so bored in my puff. I found it hard even to muster an instinctive favour for Scotland against England as the supporters seemed indistinguishable other than cringeworthy posh scottishness of 'ooh the banter' style. The latter is my own prejudice on display, no doubt -but the game itself appears to me a graceless and mind numbingly dull contest of brute force and relative speed - relative because none of it is fast compared to other sports not contested by slab-faced men with all the aerodynamics and a agility of a bull seal.
I am still not convinced that public school affection for it is based on building character versus it being a socially acceptable substitute for sodomy. A in conclusion, a 'Greek wrestling' for rainy countries. :coffee:
I am still not convinced that public school affection for it is based on building character versus it being a socially acceptable substitute for sodomy. A in conclusion, a 'Greek wrestling' for rainy countries. :coffee:
southfieldhibby
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Sevens is no doubt a more entertaining game. Have been to the Glasgow and Dubai 7s and both have been decent, the Dubai one in particular. The problem with the 15 game is the ball spends too much time under a pile of men. But aye, I can recommend the 7s hospitality, especially when the weather is mid 20s and the beer is ice cold
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I've definitely behaved like a bellend after rugby nights out. I've also done it after golf, fitba and mixed volleyball. Just a bellend!!
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KABULHIBBY
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Full contact in certain age groups is not a good idea, too many parents thinking that their little Johnny should be going into tackles like a Tuiliagi and smashing everyone in sight. It does have to have structured introductions into the skills progression though but I think that early years should be more about basic handling skills and just enjoying the game.
If the kids want to take it further then that should really be taken on by the local clubs to coach correct tackling technique at the younger ages
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Hehe.
My bird is from Cork and mad on rugby, so I've been making an effort to understand the game a bit more. I enjoyed the World Cup, but this Six Nations has been turgid rubbish.
And there's some plainly crazy rules that I just can't get my head around, eg:
-you can get penalised for "not rolling away", even if an 18-stone man is lying on top of you. Bonkers.
-it seems to me that there's basically no way to defend a rolling maul WITHOUT being penalised. I cannot understand that.
Furthermore, can anyone adequately explain what the "breakdown" actually is, other than the bit where they all struggle-cuddle on the deck.
But other than that, it's growing on me. Like watching the Aussies, Kiwis, and Argentines.
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It's pretty easy to actually defend a rolling maul, especially from the lineout, do not engage and retreat 5m's once the ball is transfered to the rear of the maul it's open play and should the maul make contact with a defender it's offside and either a penalty or defensive scrum.
Either that or make you're way through the gate to the back of the maul and steal the ball or sack the ball carrier on landing.
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The thing is that there is so much uninformed opinion flying round on this. No PE teachers will teach contact skills unless trained to do so. No one seems to be making this point. No Rugby Ready qualification, no rugby delivery. Very few schools will teach contact in curriculum time. Any contact rugby is after school for those who opt in. It is also 100% controlled through coaching. My S1 team still don't do live Scrums as they aren't strong enough to control it. They also
Scottish rugby has 5 key national themes that all young players are coached when they are ready to learn. Tackling is one of these.
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6 nations this year has been pish. Wales are boring. Ireland struggling, France are being French.
Scotland trying to play and stuttering a bit. At least they are trying to play with a bit of flair.
Not rolling away when you can't do it is the ref trying to favour the attacking team, because folk want to see attacking play and tries. This is influenced by entertainment.
The breakdown occurs when a tackled player is taken to ground and held and players contest the ball on the floor. Also known as a ruck. In the old days, this was when you could stand on the boy not tolling away, to make him roll away!!!
My next bellend appearance will be at Hampden on the 13th no doubt. Got my 2 tickets for Murrayfield offloaded so that will find my peeve!!
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southfieldhibby
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What's ripped ma knitting this year is the scrum and the amount of time refs are taking to get the ball in, only to give a penalty at the earliest opportunity.
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What a surprisingly ignorant and possibly naive post. So your judging the game by its spectators? What hope for football?
I have supported Hibs all my life and would always regard football as my first sport however I have great respect and admiration for the professional rugby game. There are many aspects of professional football that quite frankly embarrass me. An eighteen stone male who runs all say, contests his sport, sportingly, respects the referee and can run the 100 metres in 12 seconds earns my respect.
I was generalising but I presume you were too?
egb_hibs
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I described the fan bit as my own prejudice and distinct from my view of the game itself. So I'm not sure what your complaint is here.
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@egb, not a complaint, an observation from me.
Your fan predujice and views of the games seems to be very similar to me if not identical, derogatory. You are obviously entitled to your opinion but I found your post very ignorant and demeaning regarding the finer points of what is a very technical and athletic sport, at the professional level anyway.
egb_hibs
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I explained why I don't like the game - which has nothing to do with the fans. The latter are infinitely less unappealing than, say, sevco fans. But the latter are also separate to my view of the sport they follow.
I'm glad you enjoy it, I just find it a dull contest of brute strength. I'm quite prepared to acknowledge of features skill that I don't fully appreciate, but so what? I'm not saying rugby is a bad thing, I'm just saying I find it really dull.
I don't really have much to add, because I probably shouldn't have posted it to begin with, and let people who do like it get on with discussing it.
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I concur.Whilst on tour in the Bahamas with the Royal Navy,after a pulsating game against St Lucia.Both teams retired tae a local hotel for light refreshments.
After sometime everyone decided tae go swimming in the hotel pool naked.
The officer in charge of our arrest said he had never seen so many bellends.
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The Bahamas? Nice tour. Rugby has that great travelling culture. I was in the Phillipines coaching for 10 days last August. Amazing experience.
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I think the problem is teams think they can milk penalties at every scrum, I used to play in a pack that struggled for parity so we knew on our put in we needed channel 1 ball and a quick bind and hook to the back row could break away without taking too much pressure. The modern game is slowly bringing the game plan back to that old mentality, witness Japan at the last World Cup, channel 1 ball every time and that caused South Africa so many problems as it moved their bulkier pack around