egb, fascism and socialism....

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Thanks Smurf. He is of course merely stating historical fact. There can be no clearer demonstation of the left's cultural hegemony that they have managed to present black as white.
 
I don't think its a good thing whichever end of the spectrum the extremists come from, they're all fecking bampots.

I am a tad concerned (not really but maybe a wee bit) that we/us are getting hung up by the traditional white pigeon holes and labels associated with white extremists.

There's a whole 'new' lot of non white extremists just waiting to bomb us to bits who don't care what they're called. They've never heard of Marx but they're told they're Marxists blah blah. Like they care.
 
Jack said:
I don't think its a good thing whichever end of the spectrum the extremists come from, they're all fecking bampots.

I am a tad concerned (not really but maybe a wee bit) that we/us are getting hung up by the traditional white pigeon holes and labels associated with white extremists.

There's a whole 'new' lot of non white extremists just waiting to bomb us to bits who don't care what they're called. They've never heard of Marx but they're told they're Marxists blah blah. Like they care.
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Well the reason I think it is of vital consequence, is this misrepresentation has allowed the 20th century atrocities to be dismissed as what happens when anything goes to far.

Properly placing things helps make clear that all of the manias of the modern age stem from the common attributes of the 'progressive' left, that these thing are very specifically the inevitable outcome of progressive leftism if it is unimpeded.

And that would be useful in challenging the damage they continue to do cloaked by this great lie. Despite the media focus on Islamism, it is also consistently the most lethal inspiration for terrorism.
 
egb_hibs said:
Well the reason I think it is of vital consequence, is this misrepresentation has allowed the 20th century atrocities to be dismissed as what happens when anything goes to far.

Properly placing things helps make clear that all of the manias of the modern age stem from the common attributes of the 'progressive' left, that these thing are very specifically the inevitable outcome of progressive leftism if it is unimpeded.

And that would be useful in challenging the damage they continue to do cloaked by this great lie.
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That's just it eeg. We're using 20th Century labels to describe what has grown into a 21st Century problem and doing that to feel 'comfortable' with it because we know how to deal with that.

We're kidding ourselves on. They don't give a damn about political history nor probably the religions the purport to represent. Neither do they give a shit about the proper rules of engagement, the rules of war.

The Geneva Convention is being tortured while we look for historical references.
 
Jack said:
That's just it eeg. We're using 20th Century labels to describe what has grown into a 21st Century problem and doing that to feel 'comfortable' with it because we know how to deal with that.

We're kidding ourselves on. They don't give a damn about political history nor probably the religions the purport to represent. Neither do they give a shit about the proper rules of engagement, the rules of war.

The Geneva Convention is being tortured while we look for historical references.
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It's still relevant; the far left are still the biggest terrorists, while the progressive ideals that descend straight from fascism, are leading western societies into ruin, one salami slice at a time.
 
I think it was Churchill who said the fascists of the future will call themselves anti fascists. Clever guy.
 
Strangely at this time I am reading Mein Kampf at the moment, Not sure I'd describe it as left. Hitler was a nationalist and an anti Semite he did have respect for trade unions but hated the left. As for capitalism in echoes to the current situation he was very much against money speculation but had no problem with the productive side of it.

Of course there are those who argue that he was not fascist (in the Il Duce sense of the term) but it is true he was influenced by the left in his early days but soon viewed them as traitors.

I'm in the early stages of the book but it is a fascinating read and if it had been more carefully scrutinised maybe Germany wouldn't have let him any where near power.
 
O'Driscoll said:
Strangely at this time I am reading Mein Kampf at the moment, Not sure I'd describe it as left. Hitler was a nationalist and an anti Semite he did have respect for trade unions but hated the left. As for capitalism in echoes to the current situation he was very much against money speculation but had no problem with the productive side of it.
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These are not things that disqualify him from being a leftist. There have been a million left wing nationalisms, in fact nationalism was arguably a left wing invention, as an alternative to crown and altar. Anti Semitism meanwhile is pervasive in leftism.

What Hitler was not, was a Marxist. His post-Leninist views on economics are clearly left wing, just not Marxist, and Marx does not begin and end the left wing. As such NSDAP and the Marxists were competing for the same audience, hence the sectarian bitterness between them - just like that between communists and anarchists elsewhere, for the same reasons. Hitler is quite clear on this; it is the marxists he aims to convert to his different form of socialism, where he accepts he'll never win over the conservatives or (classical) liberals (i.e. the right wing).

Of course there are those who argue that he was not fascist (in the Il Duce sense of the term) but it is true he was influenced by the left in his early days but soon viewed them as traitors.
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Fascism and Nazism are not the same. Fascism was one of the milder socialisms, Nazism amongst the most ferocious, alongside Leninism and Maoism.

I'm in the early stages of the book but it is a fascinating read and if it had been more carefully scrutinised maybe Germany wouldn't have let him any where near power.
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I had a flick through it once and it looked desperately dull - maybe I should give it another look.
 
egb_hibs said:
These are not things that disqualify him from being a leftist. There have been a million left wing nationalisms, in fact nationalism was arguably a left wing invention, as an alternative to crown and altar. Anti Semitism meanwhile is pervasive in leftism.

What Hitler was not, was a Marxist. His post-Leninist views on economics are clearly left wing, just not Marxist, and Marx does not begin and end the left wing. As such NSDAP and the Marxists were competing for the same audience, hence the sectarian bitterness between them - just like that between communists and anarchists elsewhere, for the same reasons. Hitler is quite clear on this; it is the marxists he aims to convert to his different form of socialism, where he accepts he'll never win over the conservatives or (classical) liberals (i.e. the right wing).

Fascism and Nazism are not the same. Fascism was one of the milder socialisms, Nazism amongst the most ferocious, alongside Leninism and Maoism.

I had a flick through it once and it looked desperately dull - maybe I should give it another look.
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it moves from brilliant to dull to fascinating, a very strange book, he is at times evidently very clever and has insight, other times he is a total radge! but one thing about the book that is consistent is that he is very self indulgent and self obsessed.
 
O'Driscoll said:
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it moves from brilliant to dull to fascinating, a very strange book, he is at times evidently very clever and has insight, other times he is a total radge! but one thing about the book that is consistent is that he is very self indulgent and self obsessed.
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In short, your typically revolutionary personality. You could say the same of Robespierre, De Sade, Rousseau, Nechaev, Bakunin, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Guevara, Castro - in fact I don't know one to whom it does not apply. They are to a man, self-obessesed rotters; narcissists intent on bending the world to fit their neuroses.
 
Hell


Here they sit talking rot Saddam Hussein and Pol Pot Mao Tse Tung bares his gnashers at Idi Amin's and Emperor Bokassa's

There he is Josef Stalin thick as thieves with that old bore Lenin Look at the two of them putting the boot in ranting and raving and bitching 'bout Putin

Hell, hello! It's hell in here Evil is a bore with a big idea Hell, hello! What's not to fear? Love death not life and make it hell in here

It's a real no brainer the blood just oozes when Vlad the Impaler meets the Ceaucescus It's getting mighty crowded and hot as wasabi but they'll have to make room for Robert Mugabe

Caligula spits stale panini at Adolf Hitler and Mussolini Napoleon casts a withering sneer at Kim Il-Sung from North Korea

Hell, hello! It's hell in here Evil is a bore with a big idea Hell, hello! What's not to fear? Evil is a bore which makes it hell in here

Serial killers, begging your pardon, are beyond the pale and so's Osama Bin Laden Heinrich Himmler's doing his best to avoid the attentions of Fred West Ivan the Terrible isn't terribly nice when Giles de Rais seeks his advice

Hell, hello! What's not to fear? Evil is a bore which makes it hell in here It's hell in here

Hell, hello! The big idea Love death not life and make it hell in here It's hell in here Hell in here
 
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