Edinburgh Council response to over crowding in primary schools

[SKII]

New plan to move city P7 classes to high schools - Edinburgh Evening News

 

[Kurt]

Could be an innovative and cost effective answer to the problem.

 

[Hammi]

Could be a hit or miss idea..

Getting them prepared for Highschool early and will probably give them a better understanding of the p7 curriculum.
But at the same time, that's a whole year earlier to adjust to going to a big school full of intimidating people..

If I was a way back in p6, I can't think of a highschool in Edinburgh I'd want to rock up to too early..

 

[SKII]

Without going into the educational pros and cons...I wonder where the capacity is in secondary schools? Most schools in the secondary sector are full or near full too thanks to post-16s staying on in the largest numbers ever due to lack of prospects. Over 100 kids in many school's S6 years now - unheard of.

And, as the bottle neck moves up the problem just shifts...

 

[Jack]

Without going into the educational pros and cons...I wonder where the capacity is in secondary schools? Most schools in the secondary sector are full or near full too thanks to post-16s staying on in the largest numbers ever due to lack of prospects. Over 100 kids in many school's S6 years now - unheard of.

And, as the bottle neck moves up the problem just shifts...

Spot on, deck chairs, Titanic and all that.

I saw a few days ago that the UK sent their kids to school a year or two before other 'civilised' western/European/developed countries.

The baw is ready tae bust, the political parties are just wondering on whose shift so they can allocate blame.

 

[broonieboy]

Without going into the educational pros and cons...I wonder where the capacity is in secondary schools? Most schools in the secondary sector are full or near full too thanks to post-16s staying on in the largest numbers ever due to lack of prospects. Over 100 kids in many school's S6 years now - unheard of.

And, as the bottle neck moves up the problem just shifts...

Ah, the Edinburgh guarantee.... Hence why S6 groups are now populated with kids sitting around scratching their erkies doing one int 2 and some volunteering.

For practical subjects, it could be a goer due to the equipment being in secondary schools already. Could grow our dept by another 2 staff, which would be great. Aberdeen now hiring transition teachers to teach across P6 to S3, purely on a quality basis rather than overcrowding.



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[Kurt]

Without going into the educational pros and cons...I wonder where the capacity is in secondary schools? Most schools in the secondary sector are full or near full too thanks to post-16s staying on in the largest numbers ever due to lack of prospects. Over 100 kids in many school's S6 years now - unheard of.

And, as the bottle neck moves up the problem just shifts...

Nationally, the most severe shortage is in primary. It makes some sense to move this bubble up the where there is more capacity rather than spend money on new/extended schools which will then be under capacity in 10 years.

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Spot on, deck chairs, Titanic and all that.

I saw a few days ago that the UK sent their kids to school a year or two before other 'civilised' western/European/developed countries.

The baw is ready tae bust, the political parties are just wondering on whose shift so they can allocate blame.

But these countries have far more structured and well funded nursery provision as well which allows more women to work. The UK never really invested here. Kids may not e in school until 7 but they are certainly in education before that

 

[SKII]

Nationally, the most severe shortage is in primary. It makes some sense to move this bubble up the where there is more capacity rather than spend money on new/extended schools which will then be under capacity in 10 years.

The article is about specifically about Edinburgh schools. The capacity is not there in many high schools due to an increase in pupils staying on to S6. There is certainly capacity in schools in Wester Hailes and Craigmillar but I don't think that's where they're thinking of housing these kids. And they don't have an over-capacity problem in the local primaries there.

Other than there has been a history of rise and fall in school populations in the past is there a specific reason you think these schools will be under capacity in 10 years time when Scotland's population is at its highest level ever and this is in main due to immigration - and an influx of young people of child bearing age?

 

[egb_hibs]

On the bright side, irs a good problem to have - more Bonnie Bairns is exactly what Scotland needs if it is to have a future.

To the problem at hand, is there still the imbalance with some schools half empty while the demand for faith schools is through the roof? If so, a partial answer may be to change the former into the latter and spread the load?

 

[Brainwrong]

On the bright side, irs a good problem to have - more Bonnie Bairns is exactly what Scotland needs if it is to have a future.

To the problem at hand, is there still the imbalance with some schools half empty while the demand for faith schools is through the roof? If so, a partial answer may be to change the former into the latter and spread the load?

As far as my knowledge goes, mainly Leith based, but have pals with kids elsewhere in Ed; every primary (religious and not) school is rammed with 3 classes per year and composite classes spanning different primary years, which may or may not be due to over subscription because nae @@$@ has explained why they're there.

Anyway, they're stowed and it's not abating.

 

[southfieldhibby]

Wouldn't it make more sense to redraw catchment areas to relieve some of the hardest hit areas and stop this dumb practice of allowing parents to apply for schools outwith the areas they live in?

 

[Stew the Hibee]

Wouldn't it make more sense to redraw catchment areas to relieve some of the hardest hit areas and stop this dumb practice of allowing parents to apply for schools outwith the areas they live in?

I know that this is talking about Primary schools, but I think there are circumstances when it makes sense to apply for schools outwith your catchment area. Firstly, there are 4 and a half years between my younger brother and I. If we had moved to a new catchment area when I was in P3, then my brother and I would been at different schools, and would have complicated things for my parents and for us.

Also, and I know we're talking about primary schools but still, my friend from primary school was like the scenario above, he moved just out of the catchment area (three doors to be exact) but still stayed on at our primary. Then, when it came to high school he found he was in the catchment for Boroughmuir and not Firrhill, where all of his friends were going. It seemed only natural that he apply to come to Firrhill also.

 

[Kurt]

The article is about specifically about Edinburgh schools. The capacity is not there in many high schools due to an increase in pupils staying on to S6. There is certainly capacity in schools in Wester Hailes and Craigmillar but I don't think that's where they're thinking of housing these kids. And they don't have an over-capacity problem in the local primaries there.

Other than there has been a history of rise and fall in school populations in the past is there a specific reason you think these schools will be under capacity in 10 years time when Scotland's population is at its highest level ever and this is in main due to immigration - and an influx of young people of child bearing age?

Its not just immigration of people who may have larger families (which will adjust over time) but the children of the baby boom having children.

Look at the bumps here:-

Its likely to be a blip.

 

[southfieldhibby]

I know that this is talking about Primary schools, but I think there are circumstances when it makes sense to apply for schools outwith your catchment area. Firstly, there are 4 and a half years between my younger brother and I. If we had moved to a new catchment area when I was in P3, then my brother and I would been at different schools, and would have complicated things for my parents and for us.

Also, and I know we're talking about primary schools but still, my friend from primary school was like the scenario above, he moved just out of the catchment area (three doors to be exact) but still stayed on at our primary. Then, when it came to high school he found he was in the catchment for Boroughmuir and not Firrhill, where all of his friends were going. It seemed only natural that he apply to come to Firrhill also.

sure there are circumstances that makes sense for parents to apply to schools outside their catchment, the examples you use would mibbe pass the southfield board of education.

I'm talking about parents reckoning the school in their catchment isn't good enough for their kid...at a primary level and locally I'd use Craigentinny primary and St.Ninians...Craigentinny under utilised whereas St.Ninians absolutely rammed.Because parents can't bear to use Craigentinny.Same at my primary Brunstane..people in gilberstoun/brunstane applying to towerbank because Brunstane is full of kids from Magdelene.School snobbery.

I bet it happens with Castlebrae and porty/holyrood too.Only solution is to stop it completely imo.

 

[egb_hibs]

Kurt - average age of a first time mother is 29.5 so if your theory is correct id expect to jump up 30 year from th 0-4 spike and see a corresponding one; instead there is a dip

 

[Kurt]

Kurt - average age of a first time mother is 29.5 so if your theory is correct id expect to jump up 30 year from th 0-4 spike and see a corresponding one; instead there is a dip

You will see a growing birthrate then it will decline again.