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Archie said:
Feel free to point out where it's wrong.
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It's a woeful attempt to use three horrendous crimes to make a pathetic point on the brutal murder of Henry Nowak.

The other two horrendous crimes were committed by fucked up individuals. In the murder of Henry Nowak it was committed by another fucked up individual but the crime was compounded with the victim handcuffed by police because of institutionalised racism against white people brought about by woke bollocks championed by the Guardian.
 
Smurf said:
It's a woeful attempt to use three horrendous crimes to make a pathetic point on the brutal murder of Henry Nowak.

The other two horrendous crimes were committed by fucked up individuals. In the murder of Henry Nowak it was committed by another fucked up individual but the crime was compounded with the victim handcuffed by police because of institutionalised racism against white people brought about by woke bollocks championed by the Guardian.
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Really? Jo Cox was killed by a radicalised right winger. Wayne Couzins was protected by the police as he had previous It's your opinion that Henry Nowak was killed because of instututionalisd racism by the police. This is not a fact.

I think all things need to be considered in preventing this happening again. I'd prefer to wait for that process to play out rather than leaping to conclusions.
 
Smurf said:
It's a woeful attempt to use three horrendous crimes to make a pathetic point on the brutal murder of Henry Nowak.

The other two horrendous crimes were committed by fucked up individuals. In the murder of Henry Nowak it was committed by another fucked up individual but the crime was compounded with the victim handcuffed by police because of institutionalised racism against white people brought about by woke bollocks championed by the Guardian.
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Ah, one of my very favourite things when reading/listening to debates these days.

Incendiary language always calms things down.
 
Archie said:
Really? Jo Cox was killed by a radicalised right winger. Wayne Couzins was protected by the police as he had previous It's your opinion that Henry Nowak was killed because of instututionalisd racism by the police. This is not a fact.

I think all things need to be considered in preventing this happening again. I'd prefer to wait for that process to play out rather than leaping to conclusions.
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No no no no Archie, he wasnt killed becsuse of institutionalised racism by the police, the police reacted the way they did because of a fear of being accused of institutional racism
 
paigntonhibby said:
No no no no Archie, he wasnt killed becsuse of institutionalised racism by the police, the police reacted the way they did because of a fear of being accused of institutional racism
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You know this how? It can't be a screw up? It can't br a catastrophic misjudgement by the cops?
 
paigntonhibby said:
No no no no Archie, he wasnt killed becsuse of institutionalised racism by the police, the police reacted the way they did because of a fear of being accused of institutional racism
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He knows exactly mate. Can’t read his posts but this is why i blocked him…. Blind to facts he doesn’t like
 
Archie said:
You know this how? It can't be a screw up? It can't br a catastrophic misjudgement by the cops?
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Would you say the same about George Floyd? Given that of the four cops that restrained him, 2 were white, 1 was black and 1 was Asian. Was that racist or a catastrophic fuck up?
 
Remember during all the BLM hysteria, how anyone who said all lives matter was a racist? Yeah...

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Hattie said:
Spot on Ryan.
It really does beggar belief in the strategy behind the laws and reasoning in what is now become a United Kingdom without any laws protecting innocent citizens by way of cowardice in the name of a pathetic woke society who do not know what to think or how to go about daily lives without being a second thought in the eyes of the law when it involves different cultures outwith what our society have grew up with our entire lives, simply because that is now being deemed as inappropriate, racist or plainly hateful when cultures claim racism towards them by knowing their word comes before any common sense through fear of of the mad woke brigade, sorry, i mean the police
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It came across ok, and your point is well made.
We have the same problems here in Australia probably even on a bigger scale. This stuff happens almost daily in the big cities. Although reading UK news about Australia it seems to be sharks, crocodiles, snakes and spiders that is our problem.
Last night alone in Sydney a gang shot up a venue where a funeral was to be held they used an AK47. Lebanese Muslim related.
Again in Sydney last night a mass brawl led to a stabbing in a shopping centre, young kid n hospital. Lebanese Muslim related.
There was a home invasion where a man’s hand was cut off, four men got away, police are searching for, GUESS WHAT?
The weak Labor government have 14 seats in NSW that are Muslim friendly, so they pander to them, they even bring in Isis brides from Syria who are known terrorists.
Britain is also weak for the same reason.
In Edinburgh you are lucky, at the moment. You don’t have many problems, they will come. Look at England, Birmingham and the likes these people hate western society but you will find thay vote labour.
Their counselers and candidate’s are pretty much all Muslim.
Use the word Muslim and you are branded a racist. It’s not a race it’s a religion.
I’ve no time for J.D. Vance but he made comments last night about Europe having lost control of its borders. He is right.
The uninformed protesters marching around in kafirs and waving Palestinian flags are only doing damage to Britain.
 
Aushib9 said:
It came across ok, and your point is well made.
We have the same problems here in Australia probably even on a bigger scale. This stuff happens almost daily in the big cities. Although reading UK news about Australia it seems to be sharks, crocodiles, snakes and spiders that is our problem.
Last night alone in Sydney a gang shot up a venue where a funeral was to be held they used an AK47. Lebanese Muslim related.
Again in Sydney last night a mass brawl led to a stabbing in a shopping centre, young kid n hospital. Lebanese Muslim related.
There was a home invasion where a man’s hand was cut off, four men got away, police are searching for, GUESS WHAT?
The weak Labor government have 14 seats in NSW that are Muslim friendly, so they pander to them, they even bring in Isis brides from Syria who are known terrorists.
Britain is also weak for the same reason.
In Edinburgh you are lucky, at the moment. You don’t have many problems, they will come. Look at England, Birmingham and the likes these people hate western society but you will find thay vote labour.
Their counselers and candidate’s are pretty much all Muslim.
Use the word Muslim and you are branded a racist. It’s not a race it’s a religion.
I’ve no time for J.D. Vance but he made comments last night about Europe having lost control of its borders. He is right.
The uninformed protesters marching around in kafirs and waving Palestinian flags are only doing damage to Britain.
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According to this Muslims are under represented in the UK and hold seats for Labour, the lying torys and SNP.

"An estimated 45 Muslim councillors were elected in England (24), Scotland (9) and Wales (12) in the local elections, constituting 0.9 percent of the 4,851 newly elected councillors"
 
And still they tried to cover up!
Still tried and failed to dishonour his memory with lies.
STILL had the kiddy gloves on when dealing with the sikh after the fact.
Worst OF ALL…while handcuffing Nowak while in a prone position and clearly not in a situation to run or resist… when they realised Nowak has been telling the truth. They arrested the Sikh and DID NOT HANFCUFF him!!!
There’s even more, they were going to try and release a statement at a critical point of the trial, which for a police force is unheard of, to stain the character of Nowak.
This goes far deeper than a couple of cops simply overcompensating in their decisions.
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Police tried to intervene in Henry Nowak murder trial — The Times and The Sunday Times

The police force at the centre of the Henry Nowak scandal tried to intervene during his murderer’s trial in a highly unusual move, The Sunday Times can reveal. The Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary sought to release a public statement to address what it described as “disinformation”...
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Jack said:
According to this Muslims are under represented in the UK and hold seats for Labour, the lying torys and SNP.

"An estimated 45 Muslim councillors were elected in England (24), Scotland (9) and Wales (12) in the local elections, constituting 0.9 percent of the 4,851 newly elected councillors"
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Denying the trajectory as always. There's massive change on the way in loads of different ways. Reform have what 5 MPs? And yet they're favourites to be the next UK Government so getting 326+ MPs. That's how quick things can change. In the UK Muslims accounted for 3% of the population in 2001. In 2021 it was 6.5%. In 2050 it's forecast to be 18%. That rapid growth is concentrated in particular areas. The Muslim Council for Britain already has political commitments that it seeks and there's no doubt a political movement will form and emerge to best the best representation to their interests.
 
Hattie said:
And still they tried to cover up!
Still tried and failed to dishonour his memory with lies.
STILL had the kiddy gloves on when dealing with the sikh after the fact.
Worst OF ALL…while handcuffing Nowak while in a prone position and clearly not in a situation to run or resist… when they realised Nowak has been telling the truth. They arrested the Sikh and DID NOT HANFCUFF him!!!
There’s even more, they were going to try and release a statement at a critical point of the trial, which for a police force is unheard of, to stain the character of Nowak.
This goes far deeper than a couple of cops simply overcompensating in their decisions.
apple.news

Police tried to intervene in Henry Nowak murder trial — The Times and The Sunday Times

The police force at the centre of the Henry Nowak scandal tried to intervene during his murderer’s trial in a highly unusual move, The Sunday Times can reveal. The Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary sought to release a public statement to address what it described as “disinformation”...
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Court proceedings have started, any trial will be at a later date.
 
Smurf said:
Denying the trajectory as always. There's massive change on the way in loads of different ways. Reform have what 5 MPs? And yet they're favourites to be the next UK Government so getting 326+ MPs. That's how quick things can change. In the UK Muslims accounted for 3% of the population in 2001. In 2021 it was 6.5%. In 2050 it's forecast to be 18%. That rapid growth is concentrated in particular areas. The Muslim Council for Britain already has political commitments that it seeks and there's no doubt a political movement will form and emerge to best the best representation to their interests.
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Bang the drum all you like for Reform ltd, they’re whipping up racial tensions and taking folk for mugs.
In 2050 the forecast is for the Muslim community to be 18%.
That means 82% aren’t just to put things into perspective.
Besides, by 2050 we’re all going to be worm food or ashes.
Enjoy your day 😁
 
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Beagle said:
Bang the drum all you like for Reform ltd, they’re whipping up racial tensions and taking folk for mugs.
In 2050 the forecast is for the Muslim community to be 18%.
That means 82% aren’t just to put things into perspective.
Besides, by 2050 we’re all going to be worm food or ashes.
Enjoy your day 😁
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I'm hoping to still be here for the next part of hertz fucking it up on the last day due in 2066. You'll only be 104.
 
Sancho Panza said:
Would you say the same about George Floyd? Given that of the four cops that restrained him, 2 were white, 1 was black and 1 was Asian. Was that racist or a catastrophic fuck up?
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There's a desperation here to compare this directly with the killing of George Floyd. There are fundamental differences.

The first and obvious one is that George Floyd was killed by the police. There are varying estimates as to how long Derek Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck, but it was around 9 minutes. He was unresponsive for about 5 of these minutes.

The police did not kill Henry Nowak. The timeline from him being cuffed to being given CPR appears to be 1 minute. And an ambulance was called. Sadly there lad had no chance given his injuries.

These are facts, not opinion.

The questions to my mind that need to be addressed are: were the police following protocols and, if so, was there a racial element to how these were formed and implemented?

There is then the claim that there is anti-white two tier policing. In the US there is mountains of evidence about racial bias in policing.

To establish the case in the UK there would need to be a systematic review to look at cases and to identify evidence of bias before drawing a conclusion.

But we don't have evidence for it, despite those shrieking that it is 'obvious' or that those challenging the anti-white policing narrative are 'basket cases'. People will believe what they want to believe. Often facts don't come into that.

Now if evidence was found that there was anti-white bias then of course that should be addressed. Again, based on facts.

This was a very quick incident. @Beagle gave a very helpful account of what might have happened and why. It's a plausible narrative thst no one shouting on here seems terribly interterested in. Maybe it's just too inconvenient.

And finally, your point about the race of the officers involved in the killing of George Floyd. That's the whole point about institutional racism. It's not about whether an individual is racist. It's about the organisational culture.
 
Westside Green said:
The trial is when the jury is sitting there and all the evidence is presented. The rest is all preliminary hearings, pleading diets, etc.
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Yeah but the trial, court proceedings have all finished 🤷‍♂️
The police wanted to release a statement at a very critical stage of the trial, which would’ve had massive implications.. why would they even think of doing that when it is unheard of before?
 
Hattie said:
Yeah but the trial, court proceedings have all finished 🤷‍♂️
The police wanted to release a statement at a very critical stage of the trial, which would’ve had massive implications.. why would they even think of doing that when it is unheard of before?
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I thought this murder had happened recently🤡
 
Beagle said:
In 2050 I’d be 87. Just now, If I’m here another 7 years, I’ll have exceeded the lifespan of both my parents.
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I said for years if I live to 70 I'll have outlived both parents and 3 grandparents.
A very intelligent doctor friend told me to completely forget that as there is a school of thought that if you focus enough on a certain age your brain/body might just think it's done it's bit.
 
Smurf said:
Denying the trajectory as always. There's massive change on the way in loads of different ways. Reform have what 5 MPs? And yet they're favourites to be the next UK Government so getting 326+ MPs. That's how quick things can change. In the UK Muslims accounted for 3% of the population in 2001. In 2021 it was 6.5%. In 2050 it's forecast to be 18%. That rapid growth is concentrated in particular areas. The Muslim Council for Britain already has political commitments that it seeks and there's no doubt a political movement will form and emerge to best the best representation to their interests.
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I didn't deny any trajectory. I didn't even mention one 😂

I quoted a piece on what actually happened in the most recent council elections. That's all.
 
Jack said:
According to this Muslims are under represented in the UK and hold seats for Labour, the lying torys and SNP.

"An estimated 45 Muslim councillors were elected in England (24), Scotland (9) and Wales (12) in the local elections, constituting 0.9 percent of the 4,851 newly elected councillors"
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There are approx 500 muslim councillors in UK
 
Archie said:
There's a desperation here to compare this directly with the killing of George Floyd. There are fundamental differences.

The first and obvious one is that George Floyd was killed by the police. There are varying estimates as to how long Derek Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck, but it was around 9 minutes. He was unresponsive for about 5 of these minutes.

The police did not kill Henry Nowak. The timeline from him being cuffed to being given CPR appears to be 1 minute. And an ambulance was called. Sadly there lad had no chance given his injuries.

These are facts, not opinion.

The questions to my mind that need to be addressed are: were the police following protocols and, if so, was there a racial element to how these were formed and implemented?

There is then the claim that there is anti-white two tier policing. In the US there is mountains of evidence about racial bias in policing.

To establish the case in the UK there would need to be a systematic review to look at cases and to identify evidence of bias before drawing a conclusion.

But we don't have evidence for it, despite those shrieking that it is 'obvious' or that those challenging the anti-white policing narrative are 'basket cases'. People will believe what they want to believe. Often facts don't come into that.

Now if evidence was found that there was anti-white bias then of course that should be addressed. Again, based on facts.

This was a very quick incident. @Beagle gave a very helpful account of what might have happened and why. It's a plausible narrative thst no one shouting on here seems terribly interterested in. Maybe it's just too inconvenient.

And finally, your point about the race of the officers involved in the killing of George Floyd. That's the whole point about institutional racism. It's not about whether an individual is racist. It's about the organisational culture.
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Maybe you could also explain how the death of some random bloke thousands of miles away led to social hysteria in the UK? Politicians and sports publicly taking the knee. Violent demos and marches tolerated and even encouraged during lockdown for a global pandemic while most of us were confined indoors. Anyone who correctly pointed out that all lives should be of equal value were excoriated as racist.
And there you have it. The fear of being branded racist is so all-pervasive now it has facilitated the industrial rape of thousands of white working class girls. It stopped a security guard from challenging the Manchester Arena bomber. It prevented the teacher of Axel Rudakabana from acting on her fears because black boy with a knife was supposedly a racial stereotype.
It seems to be the worst thing anyone can be accused of now because it's career destroying and it no doubt played a part in the Henry Nowak case.
I've read Beagle's post and it's a plausible interpretation. But ask yourself this. If victim and offender were reversed, would the police have behaved in an identical manner? If you don't believe that they would have, then THAT is two-tier policing.
 
Sancho Panza said:
Maybe you could also explain how the death of some random bloke thousands of miles away led to social hysteria in the UK? Politicians and sports publicly taking the knee. Violent demos and marches tolerated and even encouraged during lockdown for a global pandemic while most of us were confined indoors. Anyone who correctly pointed out that all lives should be of equal value were excoriated as racist.
And there you have it. The fear of being branded racist is so all-pervasive now it has facilitated the industrial rape of thousands of white working class girls. It stopped a security guard from challenging the Manchester Arena bomber. It prevented the teacher of Axel Rudakabana from acting on her fears because black boy with a knife was supposedly a racial stereotype.
It seems to be the worst thing anyone can be accused of now because it's career destroying and it no doubt played a part in the Henry Nowak case.
I've read Beagle's post and it's a plausible interpretation. But ask yourself this. If victim and offender were reversed, would the police have behaved in an identical manner? If you don't believe that they would have, then THAT is two-tier policing.
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Well it kinda reversed itself, when the cops eventually reslised Nowak was telling the truth they srrested the Sickh, but after handcuffing the prone and injured Nowak for allegedly racist abuse, thry arrested the Sikh fir stabbing him, murdered, him, but they NEVER handcuffed him… it just gets more and more blatant racism against whites.
They even took him into the kitchen at the police station so as as he could choose his food ffs
 
Sancho Panza said:
Maybe you could also explain how the death of some random bloke thousands of miles away led to social hysteria in the UK? Politicians and sports publicly taking the knee. Violent demos and marches tolerated and even encouraged during lockdown for a global pandemic while most of us were confined indoors. Anyone who correctly pointed out that all lives should be of equal value were excoriated as racist.
And there you have it. The fear of being branded racist is so all-pervasive now it has facilitated the industrial rape of thousands of white working class girls. It stopped a security guard from challenging the Manchester Arena bomber. It prevented the teacher of Axel Rudakabana from acting on her fears because black boy with a knife was supposedly a racial stereotype.
It seems to be the worst thing anyone can be accused of now because it's career destroying and it no doubt played a part in the Henry Nowak case.
I've read Beagle's post and it's a plausible interpretation. But ask yourself this. If victim and offender were reversed, would the police have behaved in an identical manner? If you don't believe that they would have, then THAT is two-tier policing.
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Whew. So you asked about what was the difference between George Floyd's death and Henry Nowak's. Do I take it you accept my analysis?

As for the rest of your post there's assertion after assertion and extremely loaded language.

FWIW I think George Floyd's murder just captured a moment. It was filmed and I think people couldn't believe the callousness of the police involved. No official narrative could hide it. A bit like the ICE killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. It was there for the world to see. And a lot of issues coalesced around this. Were you not horrified by these events?

I should say many clearly weren't that bothered. Look how George Floyd is routinely denegrated on here, as if that justifies his killing.

I genuinely don't know why people get so upset by the statement Black Lives Matter? It's not saying they matter more, just that they have the same value. Something, particularly in the US, that needed said.

As for the 'encouraged violent disorder' who did? It's like the ubiquitous 'they' who feature a lot on here. It makes a lot of difference who called for it.

And rioting isn't universally condemned here. There's lot's of understanding here for the Southport rioters.

Misplaced concerns about racism must be addressed as in the case of the rape gangs. Of course it must.

So what would you do? Scrap the Equalty Act? Assert that racism is no longer a thing? What is it you want? It appears to me to be another example of the smash it up approach to issues these days.

As fot your question would the Nowak case be the same if the roles were reversed? I have no idea. And to be fair nor do you, despite you appearing to really want it to be the case.
 
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Hattie said:
The guy just got 21 years minimum
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I just heard all the uproar when the video came out and thought it had just happened. Didn't read or hear that it was December last year that it happened. I didn't even know he'd been sentenced until I googled it this morning.
 
Hattie said:
Well it kinda reversed itself, when the cops eventually reslised Nowak was telling the truth they srrested the Sickh, but after handcuffing the prone and injured Nowak for allegedly racist abuse, thry arrested the Sikh fir stabbing him, murdered, him, but they NEVER handcuffed him… it just gets more and more blatant racism against whites.
They even took him into the kitchen at the police station so as as he could choose his food ffs
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Alledgedly the poor tnuc has just had boiling water & sugar fired in his face at HMP 👊
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Archie folk watched the arsehole bend his knee for something that happened in America.

The the BLM riots where the polis took the knee or ran away.

And what Farage said resonates with the public because they are watching the polis run away from BLM riots.

They ran away when the Roma rioted in Yorkshire.

There's a seething anger all over the land mate.

Aye the laddies family made a statement and it was ignored.

Maybe folk in Southampton have seen two tier justice at work and decided they have had enough.

Those riots in Southampton will help Reform no end that much is true.

But maybe the fuckin idiot in number 10 could do his bit by questioning why there is two tier justice.

But he's a fuckin idiot and can't see anything that's in front of him.
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Not so much seeing as the "two-tier" police are starting to arrest the culprits who will doubtless be banged up and unable to vote. Meanwhile, the odious *&*^ Farage will grift along as always.
 
Archie said:
Whew. So you asked about what was the difference between George Floyd's death and Henry Nowak's. Do I take it you accept my analysis?

As for the rest of your post there's assertion after assertion and extremely loaded language.

FWIW I think George Floyd's murder just captured a moment. It was filmed and I think people couldn't believe the callousness of the police involved. No official narrative could hide it. A bit like the ICE killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. It was there for the world to see. And a lot of issues coalesced around this. Were you not horrified by these events?

I should say many clearly weren't that bothered. Look how George Floyd is routinely denegrated on here, as if that justifies his killing.

I genuinely don't know why people get so upset by the statement Black Lives Matter? It's not saying they matter more, just that they have the same value. Something, particularly in the US, that needed said.

As for the 'encouraged violent disorder' who did? It's like the ubiquitous 'they' who feature a lot on here. It makes a lot of difference who called for it.

And rioting isn't universally condemned here. There's lot's of understanding here for the Southport rioters.

Misplaced concerns about racism must be addressed as in the case of the rape gangs. Of course it must.

So what would you do? Scrap the Equalty Act? Assert that racism is no longer a thing? What is it you want? It appears to me to be another example of the smash it up approach to issues these days.

As fot your question would the Nowak case be the same if the roles were reversed? I have no idea. And to be fair nor do you, despite you appearing to really want it to be the case.
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Archie, anybody who critisised the BLM movement were accused of being racist and there was plenty to critisise, the protests , the riots, the pulling down and desecrating of statues, taking the knee etc, all for a black american career crimimal who wouldve probably stabbed you as soon as look at you. And all acceptable to the " right on" brigade of the time.
Now that same "right on" brigade are screaming blue murder at the protests about what happened in southampton, far right racist thugs apparently, politicians coming out with" all lives matter" the same phrase that got a few, including on here, branded as racist by the BLM believers.
I would rewrite the equality act , i would shelve all the proposed blasphemy laws .
As i said before you cant blame the individual coppers, theyre scared to be seen as racist, but you can absolutely blame all the woke shite thats being shat on their heads
 
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