Couple have foster children removed for joining UKIP

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The state will no doubt now put the icing on the pc cake and deliver the sprogs into the care of a gay couple. After all clearly children's nurture depends less on the distinct nurturing characteristics evolution has produced, than it does on a clear parental view that EU membership is a good thing.



As we are faced with a parade of examples of ideological authoritarianism, the state is coming parlously close to de-legitimising itself.
 
egb_hibs said:
The state will no doubt now put the icing on the pc cake and deliver the sprogs into the care of a gay couple. After all clearly children's nurture depends less on the distinct nurturing characteristics evolution has produced, than it does on a clear parental view that EU membership is a good thing.



As we are faced with a parade of examples of ideological authoritarianism, the state is coming parlously close to de-legitimising itself.
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See on the other hand... Could you just imagine if these two immigrant children were murdered by foster parents who had shown questionably, slight racist views? Heads would roll.
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
See on the other hand... Could you just imagine if these two immigrant children were murdered by foster parents who had shown questionably, slight racist views? Heads would roll.
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Indeed. I guess you just can't take the risk of placing children with people who aren't 100% pc in all respects; racial genocide is an ever present risk with these people. There is also the possibility the children may be exposed to inappropriate ideas, such as membership of the EU not being advantageous to the UK. It's hard to know which possibility is worse really.
 
Seems harsh.

Hopefully the kids grow up with a deep hatred of anything with a Union Flag on it :raisehat:
 
Thankfully this ridiculous decision is being condemned and ridiculed across the political spectrum.

Not enough though. Heads should roll.

Would be interesting though to see what difference there would be if it was the BNP rather than UKIP....
 
UKIP are a shower of *****s but in fairness their politics has not been as harmful to Children as the politics of Tony Blair et al.
 
Smurfy said:
Thankfully this ridiculous decision is being condemned and ridiculed across the political spectrum.

Not enough though. Heads should roll.

Would be interesting though to see what difference there would be if it was the BNP rather than UKIP....
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interesting point, I don't like either of them but they are both legal party's in this country, so should not be treated any differently
 
Wannabehibee said:
But they are members (not just voters) of a political party that doesn't want immigrants in this country yet are happy enough to look after immigrant foster children?
Bit hypocritical is it not?
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But that isn't the UKIP policy?
 
Wannabehibee said:
I dunno, i'm only going on what the article says.
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UKIP aint the BNP. They are mainstream. They want to change policies that are currently in place re EU membership and freedom of movement.

I dont have a problem with a UKIP person adopting. I would however think it highly dodgy if a BNP member were to be adopting or fostering
 
I can;t understand the furore of a bona fide political party who want to adopt a proactive stance to immigration. It's time this country looked after the indigenous people on these shores, the people who have contributed, rather than focus on spending what we don't have on another country's problems.

It is simply indefensible to state that we have skills shortages than need plugged by those from other countries. They've clearly identified that we have a problem, yet they're not tackling it. Train the British people to fill these positions.
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
I can;t understand the furore of a bona fide political party who want to adopt a proactive stance to immigration. It's time this country looked after the indigenous people on these shores, the people who have contributed, rather than focus on spending what we don't have on another country's problems.
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Its going to go in the opposite direction in an independent Scotland though Carlook - be careful what you wish for :wink:
 
mikeythibs said:
Its going to go in the opposite direction in an independent Scotland though Carlook - be careful what you wish for :wink:
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Nonsense. I take it you have a crystal ball, and know for a fact which political party, old or new, would be in charge of an independent Scotland?
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
I can;t understand the furore of a bona fide political party who want to adopt a proactive stance to immigration. It's time this country looked after the indigenous people on these shores, the people who have contributed, rather than focus on spending what we don't have on another country's problems.

It is simply indefensible to state that we have skills shortages than need plugged by those from other countries. They've clearly identified that we have a problem, yet they're not tackling it. Train the British people to fill these positions.
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If Britain had always adopted that position then there would be no Hibs.

You simply can't invade half the world and then act surprised when they follow you home.

How do you think Britain would cope if all your ex pats were sent home?
 
CPP said:
If Britain had always adopted that position then there would be no Hibs.

You simply can't invade half the world and then act surprised when they follow you home.

How do you think Britain would cope if all your ex pats were sent home?
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Are the UKIP campaigning to send people 'home'?
 
CPP said:
No, nor did I say they were.

I'm simply highlighting that many people, perhaps more, have emigrated from Britain than have immigrated into Britain over history.
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How many people do you imagine leaving their British home (I'd guess the homeless are the least likely to emigrate) to land on foreign shores and claim asylum, and find themselves in furnished accommodation with a giro payment far in excess of that handed out to the indigenous unemployed, all paid for by the tax payer of that country?
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
How many people do you imagine leaving their British home (I'd guess the homeless are the least likely to emigrate) to land on foreign shores and claim asylum, and find themselves in furnished accommodation with a giro payment far in excess of that handed out to the indigenous unemployed, all paid for by the tax payer of that country?
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Where did I mention asylum?
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
Where did I mention people leaving Britain?
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You are suggesting restricting immigration. Are you daft enough to think that other countries wouldn't return the compliment? Emigration and immigration policies are directly related.
 
CPP said:
You are suggesting restricting immigration. Are you daft enough to think that other countries wouldn't return the compliment? Emigration and immigration policies are directly related.
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Will it make any difference to those who want to leave here for the likes of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, etc etc...?
 
So you are now talking about selective immigration policy?

In fairness, when was the last time a Brit asked for permission to enter Iraq?
 
CPP said:
So you are now talking about selective immigration policy?

In fairness, when was the last time a Brit asked for permission to enter Iraq?
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I'm talking about, during a time of austerity, cut backs in public services, cutting back on those entering the country not only to live here bringing with them no essential work based skills, only to live off our benefits and receiving more than those already here receive, but also the NHS tourists.

Is it too simple to suggest looking after the basics before catering for strangers?
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
I'm talking about, during a time of austerity, cut backs in public services, cutting back on those entering the country not only to live here bringing with them no essential work based skills, only to live off our benefits and receiving more than those already here receive, but also the NHS tourists.

Is it too simple to suggest looking after the basics before catering for strangers?
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In some of those cases you would save more money if your Government butted out of their countries and stopped dropping bombs on their families. That way you save millions in military costs and they would not need to seek asylum.
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
Nonsense. I take it you have a crystal ball, and know for a fact which political party, old or new, would be in charge of an independent Scotland?
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If independence happens, then there will be an SNP administration. People are not likely to vote for the main SNP policy and then jump horse to the parties they have failed to agree with in regard the referendum. Or are you saying, having slated Lamont, Davidson and Co for being ineffective that people will suddenly go back to voting for them?

None of us has a crystal ball but Scotland will need to maintain its population and attract inward traffic when it loses the critical mass of being part of the UK. If nothing else to possibly counter the people who might leave if and when we became independent.

That means increased inwards migration. It is a cornerstone of SNP policy. Or is it just one you choose to ignore?

Do you think its right we currently pay for Europeans to get free university degrees at your expense - another SNP policy that seems at odds with your posts above? Mind you, once we're independent we'll have to give English, Welsh and Northern Irish students free university education too...so they'll all be queuing up to come here and have you pay for that too :wink:
 
mikeythibs said:
If independence happens, then there will be an SNP administration. People are not likely to vote for the main SNP policy and then jump horse to the parties they have failed to agree with in regard the referendum. Or are you saying, having slated Lamont, Davidson and Co for being ineffective that people will suddenly go back to voting for them?

None of us has a crystal ball but Scotland will need to maintain its population and attract inward traffic when it loses the critical mass of being part of the UK. If nothing else to possibly counter the people who might leave if and when we became independent.

That means increased inwards migration. It is a cornerstone of SNP policy. Or is it just one you choose to ignore?

Do you think its right we currently pay for Europeans to get free university degrees at your expense - another SNP policy that seems at odds with your posts above? Mind you, once we're independent we'll have to give English, Welsh and Northern Irish students free university education too...so they'll all be queuing up to come here and have you pay for that too :wink:
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:dunno:
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
The bit where you make presumptions, then admit none of us have a crystal ball.
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I gave a HYPOTHESIS. That's different altogether to having a crystal ball.

The hypothesis then get's tested when and if things come to pass. None of us have a crystal ball.

People will be using hypotheses in weighing up the pros and cons of independence. Not crystal balls.
 
mikeythibs said:
I gave a HYPOTHESIS. That's different altogether to having a crystal ball.

The hypothesis then get's tested when and if things come to pass. None of us have a crystal ball.

People will be using hypotheses in weighing up the pros and cons of independence. Not crystal balls.
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And it is my own hypothesis that we need to look at our own welfare system for our own people, before considering the financial requirements of those from other shores. Why does it have to be our burden?
 
Carluke_Hibee said:
And it is my own hypothesis that we need to look at our own welfare system for our own people, before considering the financial requirements of those from other shores. Why does it have to be our burden?
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That's an opinion with all due respect, not a hypothesis :wink:

An opinion you are well entitled to but that surely means you must disagree with the SNP policy on free education that sees us pay for Europes children to get university degrees at your expense? That would see the English, Welsh and Northern Irish also benefit post independence?

Do you think the consequences of that policy is right and fair? :dunno: Yes or no?
 
mikeythibs said:
That's an opinion with all due respect, not a hypothesis :wink:

An opinion you are well entitled to but that surely means you must disagree with the SNP policy on free education that sees us pay for Europes children to get university degrees at your expense? That would see the English, Welsh and Northern Irish also benefit post independence?

Do you think the consequences of that policy is right and fair? :dunno: Yes or no?
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Mikey, have you actually looked up the cost of Education in Europe. In most countries it's very cheap. I would suggest that in most cases money is not the primary factor for studying in Scotland.
 
CPP said:
Mikey, have you actually looked up the cost of Education in Europe. In most countries it's very cheap. I would suggest that in most cases money is not the primary factor for studying in Scotland.
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Not the angle I'm coming from CPP. :wink:

I'm trying to establish what Carluke's take is on us paying 77 million pounds of our own money to educate people from the EU when there was a funding gap of 200m in university budgets last year. It is at odds with his stance on "looking after oor ain folk" but hasn't given his take on it. Just interested in his thoughts.

I dont know for certain if the Engerlish will queue up to get free university education at our expense come 2014 if we end up independent - will probably boil down to whether our own unis not being able to charge fees (attract income) means they will remain competitive in terms of how they are seen to the outside world. That said, if you lived on these islands and could suddenly get into Edinburgh uni free of charge or have to pay 27K for your degree south of the border, I reckon it will be a fair old attraction to a significant proportion of potential undergraduates?

Anyway, this has kinda gone off track so probably best leave the thread to people wanting to talk about UKIP and fostering
 
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mikeythibs said:
UKIP aint the BNP. They are mainstream. They want to change policies that are currently in place re EU membership and freedom of movement.

I dont have a problem with a UKIP person adopting. I would however think it highly dodgy if a BNP member were to be adopting or fostering
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What political views are acceptable? What about Christians opposed to gay marriage or a feminist lesbian couple who want to abolish gender stereotyping? Should people with "unacceptable" views be allowed to even have children naturally never mind adopt.

CPP said:
If Britain had always adopted that position then there would be no Hibs.

You simply can't invade half the world and then act surprised when they follow you home.

How do you think Britain would cope if all your ex pats were sent home?
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Ireland was still in the UK in 1875! Poland was never invaded by the British yet there's over a million of them in Britain and Ireland. The British became the majority in many of the countries they emigrated to like Canada and Australia.

The argument in Ireland by some people because people were racist against the Irish immigrants we should abolish immigration controls!
 
DanOConnell1875 said:
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Ireland was still in the UK in 1875! Poland was never invaded by the British yet there's over a million of them in Britain and Ireland. The British became the majority in many of the countries they emigrated to like Canada and Australia.

The argument in Ireland by some people because people were racist against the Irish immigrants we should abolish immigration controls!
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Fair enough, Ireland was in the UK at the time but the Irish people didn't really regard themselves as being the same nationality.

Whose arguing that immigration controls should be abandoned because some people were racist to the Irish?
 
CPP said:
Fair enough, Ireland was in the UK at the time but the Irish people didkn't really regard themselves as being the same nationality.

Whose arguing that immigration controls should be abandoned because some people were racist to the Irish?
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It's an argument from people on the extreme left in Ireland like the Trotskyite Socalist Workers' Party and some people in the Irish Republicam Socialist Party. The SWP have one TD (member of parliament) in the Dail (Irish parliament).

As for the argument about the Irish regarding themselves as a different nationality you could even say the same about the Scots being a seperate nationality to the English. John Buchan the writer made a speech about the English trying to un-Scotch the Scottish.

Ireland/Eire was still in the Commonwealth up until 1949 and still have a special arrangement with the UK. The West Indians, Aricans and Asians came to the UK with the same rights as the Native British, they were subjects of the Queen and from countries in the Commonwealth. This applied until the law was changed on British citizenship in the 1980's as far as I know.
 
DanOConnell1875 said:
It's an argument from people on the extreme left in Ireland like the Trotskyite Socalist Workers' Party and some people in the Irish Republicam Socialist Party. The SWP have one TD (member of parliament) in the Dail (Irish parliament).

As for the argument about the Irish regarding themselves as a different nationality you could even say the same about the Scots being a seperate nationality to the English. John Buchan the writer made a speech about the English trying to un-Scotch the Scottish.

Ireland/Eire was still in the Commonwealth up until 1949 and still have a special arrangement with the UK. The West Indians, Aricans and Asians came to the UK with the same rights as the Native British, they were subjects of the Queen and from countries in the Commonwealth. This applied until the law was changed on British citizenship in the 1980's as far as I know.
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Dan I probably should have clarified that I am Irish myself. That being said you have told me some stuff there that I was unaware of eg the position of those Irish political parties. Thanks for that.

On the Nationality front I would regard Scots and English as different nationalities and countries which might explain my comments.
 
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