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Ed Sheeran says he wasn’t asked for permission to use his voice on a new 40th anniversary version of Do They Know It's Christmas?

This is on the back of what Fuse ODH said, whoever the hell he is!

"In his post, Fuse ODG said he had turned down the invitation to take part in Band Aid 30 alongside Sheeran, 10 years ago.

"I refused to participate in Band Aid because I recognised the harm initiatives like it inflict on Africa," he wrote.

"While they may generate sympathy and donations, they perpetuate damaging stereotypes that stifle Africa's economic growth, tourism, and investment, ultimately costing the continent trillions and destroying its dignity, pride and identity."

Speaking to BBC Radio 1's Newsbeat, the musician said that Do They Know It's Christmas perpetuates the idea that Africa is plagued by "famine and poverty", which is "not the truth".

When he first saw the Band Aid videos as a child, he said, the images were "so negative that I wanted to disassociate myself from being African because there was no sense of pride in it."

The musician, whose real name is Nana Richard Abiona, added that he'd asked Bob Geldof to consider those concerns in 2014.

"All I said to him was, there's a way to do things without destroying our collective pride. There's a way to do things without it costing us in tourism, in investment, you know?

"We could make it more like a partnership - solidarity instead of charity."

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Ed Sheeran says Band Aid didn't ask to re-use his vocals

The pop star says he would have refused permission, as his understanding of Western aid has changed.
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No famine and poverty ,eh?
That will be a first.
Theres been famine forever in that continent.
Not to mention civil war, floods, destroying crops and livestock.
But we'll listen to some fuckin rapper bumming his chat.
As for Sheeran?
Nothing positive to say about him, so I'll leave it at that.
 
There was certainly famine in Ethiopia in 1984.I dare say other parts of Africa were doing just fine.I read in an article some time ago that Geldof and co.were hoodwinked by the countries leadership and the money ended up in some party lord's back pocket.That's why I rarely give to these things as I have a sneaky feeling I'm being conned.
 
Morrissey on Band Aid.....



"I'm not afraid to say that I think Band Aid was diabolical. Or to say that I think Bob Geldof is a nauseating character. Many people find that very unsettling, but I'll say it as loud as anyone wants me to. In the first instance the record itself was absolutely tuneless. One can have great concern for the people of Ethiopia, but it's another thing to inflict daily torture on the people of England. It was an awful record considering the mass of talent involved. And it wasn't done shyly it was the most self-righteous platform ever in the history of popular music."

"The whole implication was to save these people in Ethiopia, but who were they asking to save them? Some 13-year-old girl in Wigan! People like Thatcher and the royals could solve the Ethiopian problem within ten seconds. But Band Aid shied away from saying that — for heaven's sake, it was almost directly aimed at unemployed people."
 
Findlayhibby said:
There was certainly famine in Ethiopia in 1984.I dare say other parts of Africa were doing just fine.I read in an article some time ago that Geldof and co.were hoodwinked by the countries leadership and the money ended up in some party lord's back pocket.That's why I rarely give to these things as I have a sneaky feeling I'm being conned.
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The first one I recall was Biafra in the late 60's.
I get your reticence to donate because it's never ending , and as you say where does the money get utilised.
 
Initiatives like this they need

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Same people that without looking at accounts.

Were the same people that made a shit load of money from COVID,Climate Change,Ukraine,Israel.

The sooner we use the law on these people....Diddy included.

Can we just have the facts broadcast!
 
Diddy was the honeytrap to compromise people.
Everyone had heard of a Diddy Party.

Like the Mossad Agent Epstein....Who had cameras everywhere.

Diddy had cameras everywhere,in the bars,clubs,hotels....The owners of these places...all have something in common.

And any drug you wanted...or he chose
 
Findlayhibby said:
Not even sure about this.The image looks very AI generated?Could be wrong.
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I thought it was genuine, but there is quite a few videos around. This Indian guy seems to know what he is doing

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Jack said:
Ed Sheeran says he wasn’t asked for permission to use his voice on a new 40th anniversary version of Do They Know It's Christmas?

This is on the back of what Fuse ODH said, whoever the hell he is!

"In his post, Fuse ODG said he had turned down the invitation to take part in Band Aid 30 alongside Sheeran, 10 years ago.

"I refused to participate in Band Aid because I recognised the harm initiatives like it inflict on Africa," he wrote.

"While they may generate sympathy and donations, they perpetuate damaging stereotypes that stifle Africa's economic growth, tourism, and investment, ultimately costing the continent trillions and destroying its dignity, pride and identity."

Speaking to BBC Radio 1's Newsbeat, the musician said that Do They Know It's Christmas perpetuates the idea that Africa is plagued by "famine and poverty", which is "not the truth".

When he first saw the Band Aid videos as a child, he said, the images were "so negative that I wanted to disassociate myself from being African because there was no sense of pride in it."

The musician, whose real name is Nana Richard Abiona, added that he'd asked Bob Geldof to consider those concerns in 2014.

"All I said to him was, there's a way to do things without destroying our collective pride. There's a way to do things without it costing us in tourism, in investment, you know?

"We could make it more like a partnership - solidarity instead of charity."

www.bbc.co.uk

Ed Sheeran says Band Aid didn't ask to re-use his vocals

The pop star says he would have refused permission, as his understanding of Western aid has changed.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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There’s a serious case to be made that aid holds Africa back. But I’m not sure these pop luminaries make it.

The brutal truth is that colonialism ended too quickly in terms of setting up Africa for prosperity. Never mind, the Chinese are in there now and I’m sure they will be benevolent :ermmmm
 
greencol said:
The first one I recall was Biafra in the late 60's.
I get your reticence to donate because it's never ending , and as you say where does the money get utilised.
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Charitable stuff getting snaffled by kleptocrats and other crooks is a problem, or was historically anyway.

But if it’s never ending then imho we need to support them in a never ending way. But I do think ‘teach a man to fish rather than give him a fish’ style charideees or aid are probably the way to go.

In any case, my impression is africa is a lot better than it was. I bemoan global capitalism a lot but I’m careful to mention the flipside which is it has dragged the absolute poor of the world out of destitution like nothing else in history.

With the post colonial carnage somewhat settled and no more communist experiments likely, least of all under the CCP, it’s not as bad as it was. It will probably take a good few hundreds of years for it to be properly sorted out, because tribalism is one of its enduring problems - I mean it is still centuries if not more than a millenium behind swathes of the world in that kind of social development - but hopefully the trajectory is upwards.
 
Ryan69 said:
Same people that without looking at accounts.

Were the same people that made a shit load of money from COVID,Climate Change,Ukraine,Israel.

The sooner we use the law on these people....Diddy included.

Can we just have the facts broadcast!
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Ed Sheeran and Fuse wossisname made money out of Covid, climate change, Ukraine and Israel?

Really ?
 
The trouble is the poor little starving fuckers that geldof " saved" are the ones now running around with kalashnikovs and capturing merchant seamen, fighting civil wars ,exterminating Christians etc.
 
paigntonhibby said:
The trouble is the poor little starving fuckers that geldof " saved" are the ones now running around with kalashnikovs and capturing merchant seamen, fighting civil wars ,exterminating Christians etc.
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Well that’s just about the bleakest take on anything I’ve ever read!

Not sure it’s accurate either. While borders and tribes are porous in these parts, pirates are afaik Somali and the famine was in Ethiopia.

Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian countries in the world btw, and never colonised apart from Mussolini’s fleeting effort. It does however have a large Muslim minority in the south and east with may overlap with bordering Somalia for all I know. The famine was predominantly in the north, at least afaik - which isn’t that far.

At the time of the famine it was presided over by those economic geniuses, Marxists, who persecuted everybody without prejudice, as they do.
 
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Findlayhibby said:
Not even sure about this.The image looks very AI generated?Could be wrong.
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Watch the video, just move the slider through it even. It’s real, and brilliant work. If the UN could just stick to stuff like this it would be great.
 
egb_hibs said:
Not sure it’s accurate either. While borders and tribes are porous in these parts, pirates are afaik Somali and the famine was in Ethiopia.
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The pirates aren't just Somali they come from all over to join the gangs.

I heard a wee story the other week. Rich Russians are using the pirates for sport. They get a reasonably large and fast boat, arm it to the teeth then go in search of pirates and shoot them up for fun!
 
Jack said:
The pirates aren't just Somali they come from all over to join the gangs.

I heard a wee story the other week. Rich Russians are using the pirates for sport. They get a reasonably large and fast boat, arm it to the teeth then go in search of pirates and shoot them up for fun!
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Ffs lol

The Russkis are some boys, you have to give them that.
 
Population of Ethiopia in 1984: 39 million.

Population of Ethiopia in 2024: 128 million.

Just sayin', likesay.

...and Eritrea's buggered off since 1984, so Eritreans counted in 1984 but don't count in the current figure.
 
Glenmore Road said:
Population of Ethiopia in 1984: 39 million.

Population of Ethiopia in 2024: 128 million.

Just sayin', likesay.

...and Eritrea's buggered off since 1984, so Eritreans counted in 1984 but don't count in the current figure.
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As I say, global capitalism has achieved remarkable things at the expense of the western worker.
 
egb_hibs said:
Well that’s just about the bleakest take on anything I’ve ever read!

Not sure it’s accurate either. While borders and tribes are porous in these parts, pirates are afaik Somali and the famine was in Ethiopia.

Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian countries in the world btw, and never colonised apart from Mussolini’s fleeting effort. It does however have a large Muslim minority in the south and east with may overlap with bordering Somalia for all I know. The famine was predominantly in the north, at least afaik - which isn’t that far.

At the time of the famine it was presided over by those economic geniuses, Marxists, who persecuted everybody without prejudice, as they do.
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It's also a centre of Judaism.The only problem being when the Ethiopians try heading back to the 'Promised Land' they don't get the same welcome as their white counterparts.Who'd have thought? Also another interesting thought is;according to Rastafarianism the real Saviour was in their eyes King Hailie Selasie and that their promised land was in fact Ethiopia.All these tunes about getting on the White Star Liner and returning to Africa kind of wained round about 1984.When the Rastas realised that perhaps they might be better off staying in Jamaica.
 
Findlayhibby said:
It's also a centre of Judaism.The only problem being when the Ethiopians try heading back to the 'Promised Land' they don't get the same welcome as their white counterparts.Who'd have thought? Also another interesting thought is;according to Rastafarianism the real Saviour was in their eyes King Hailie Selasie and that their promised land was in fact Ethiopia.All these tunes about getting on the White Star Liner and returning to Africa kind of wained round about 1984.When the Rastas realised that perhaps they might be better off staying in Jamaica.
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rastafarianism is just another nonsense to be fair Findlay (nyabinghi ya bass), however i have only seen Betty the first of Scotland, second of England and her corfiot shagger bowing in a photae once and it was infront of jah rastafari and his then mrs..... make of that what you will.....
 
Findlayhibby said:
It's also a centre of Judaism.The only problem being when the Ethiopians try heading back to the 'Promised Land' they don't get the same welcome as their white counterparts.Who'd have thought? Also another interesting thought is;according to Rastafarianism the real Saviour was in their eyes King Hailie Selasie and that their promised land was in fact Ethiopia.All these tunes about getting on the White Star Liner and returning to Africa kind of wained round about 1984.When the Rastas realised that perhaps they might be better off staying in Jamaica.
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Black Star Line of Marcus Garvey, surely?
 
Findlayhibby said:
It's also a centre of Judaism.The only problem being when the Ethiopians try heading back to the 'Promised Land' they don't get the same welcome as their white counterparts.Who'd have thought? Also another interesting thought is;according to Rastafarianism the real Saviour was in their eyes King Hailie Selasie and that their promised land was in fact Ethiopia.All these tunes about getting on the White Star Liner and returning to Africa kind of wained round about 1984.When the Rastas realised that perhaps they might be better off staying in Jamaica.
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Never miss a chance to get a dig in at them pesky Israelis Herr Findlay.

Tangential to the Rasta’s point. Bob Marley converted to Ethiopian Orthodoxy at the end. The Haile Selassie’s had a good gig going for a while though.
 
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