Chris Cadden, not good enough

[1 Mcnamara]

Since getting out of the Championship, we've finished (including this year) top 6 in 6 out of 9

Whether the manager does it twice in a row or not isn't the argument. It's where we should be. Period.

I'm not arguing with you that we should be top 6 minimum every year. But the fact is we are not. This year we have done it for the 2nd season in a row. At least we are heading in the right direction.
SDG has room for improvement for sure, but history has shown us that we often change managers with a downgrade.
Great managers are not knocking on our door desperate to work in the league and financial restraints we find ourselves in.

 

[Hammi]

I'm not arguing with you that we should be top 6 minimum every year. But the fact is we are not. This year we have done it for the 2nd season in a row. At least we are heading in the right direction.
SDG has room for improvement for sure, but history has shown us that we often change managers with a downgrade.
Great managers are not knocking on our door desperate to work in the league and financial restraints we find ourselves in.

I don't think this season compared to last season is the right direction.

Gone from arguably the best side in the league, to a very average side.
I don't see us picking up many points in the top 6 games. I don't see us playing good football.

I do see us failing to even threaten teams like Livingston though.

 

[Hibs Soldier]

You honestly don't think we should be a top 6 team?
Mental

Evidence proves otherwise. When we get in I'm delighted.

 

[Hammi]

Evidence proves otherwise. When we get in I'm delighted.

6 out of 9 is more regular than not.

I genuinely find that shocking mate. You accept us as a bottom 6 side and too 6 is an achievement.

Who are the 6 sides that are bigger than us?

Celtic, Hunco, Hearts, Aberdeen..?

 

[Hibs Soldier]

6 out of 9 is more regular than not.

I genuinely find that shocking mate. You accept us as a bottom 6 side and too 6 is an achievement.

Who are the 6 sides that are bigger than us?

Celtic, Hunco, Hearts, Aberdeen..?

6 out of 9 is good going for us and tips us towards being that top 6 team as you put it.

Your no getting my point again. I'm no accepting anything. I see what's happening in each season and see how it plays out. Make top six great no questions on the manager. Don't make top 6 and questions on the managers asked.

Apart from Rangers and Celtic id go along with other clubs being in line with each other.

 

[Hammi]

6 out of 9 is good going for us and tips us towards being that top 6 team as you put it.

That's because that's what we should be.

Make top six great no questions on the manager. Don't make top 6 and questions on the managers asked.

Doesn't this reinforce that point?

Apart from Rangers and Celtic id go along with other clubs being in line with each other.

I'm no sure about that though.

Hunco and Celtic are in a category on their own.
Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are in their own category.
Motherwell, Dundee United and possibly Dundee in theirs.
Then the rest.

There's not a single chance we operate at the same level as a Livingston or Falkirk.

We're a big team up here, we should act like one.

 

[Beagle]

That's because that's what we should be.



Doesn't this reinforce that point?



I'm no sure about that though.

Hunco and Celtic are in a category on their own.
Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are in their own category.
Motherwell, Dundee United and possibly Dundee in theirs.
Then the rest.

There's not a single chance we operate at the same level as a Livingston or Falkirk.

We're a big team up here, we should act like one.

I understand what you’re getting at however, it’s generally accepted that with yearly fluctuations we are on a par with the Gunts and the Sheep. None of us have been consistent with top 6 finishes in decades. Every other team starts the season trying to be top 6 or avoiding relegation and it’s 11 v 11 on the park and management teams who are pretty much in a level with each other as they’ve attended the same coaching school. Some clubs try a manager from outwith the Scottish managerial merry go round with varying outcomes because nobody can afford a Pep Guardiola so it’s a shot in the dark.

 

[Hammi]

I understand what you’re getting at however, it’s generally accepted that with yearly fluctuations we are on a par with the Gunts and the Sheep. None of us have been consistent with top 6 finishes in decades. Every other team starts the season trying to be top 6 or avoiding relegation and it’s 11 v 11 on the park and management teams who are pretty much in a level with each other as they’ve attended the same coaching school. Some clubs try a manager from outwith the Scottish managerial merry go round with varying outcomes because nobody can afford a Pep Guardiola so it’s a shot in the dark.

And Aberdeen and hearts will argue that anything less than top 6 isn't good enough.
So why shouldn't we?

 

[Beagle]

And Aberdeen and hearts will argue that anything less than top 6 isn't good enough.
So why shouldn't we?

Agreed. I’m just saying that every other club has ambitions to be top 6 and if the likes of us, gunts and sheep aren’t performing to that standard consistently then we don’t deserve it based on financial clout and sizes of fanbase.

 

[Hibs Soldier]

That's because that's what we should be.



Doesn't this reinforce that point?



I'm no sure about that though.

Hunco and Celtic are in a category on their own.
Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are in their own category.
Motherwell, Dundee United and possibly Dundee in theirs.
Then the rest.

There's not a single chance we operate at the same level as a Livingston or Falkirk.

We're a big team up here, we should act like one.

On the manager thing it's always different. If he doesn't make top 6 with a bad injury list or the board sell our best player and don't replace him he can't be blamed.

I get what your saying stadium and income wise but it rarely makes a difference between most clubs outside the old firm. I mean just look at Aberdeen. Us, Hearts and Dundee United have all been over the place at times.

 

[Hammi]

On the manager thing it's always different. If he doesn't make top 6 with a bad injury list or the board sell our best player and don't replace him he can't be blamed.

I get what your saying stadium and income wise but it rarely makes a difference between most clubs outside the old firm. I mean just look at Aberdeen. Us, Hearts and Dundee United have all been over the place at times.

Hearts and Aberdeen have had the excuse of actual European campaigns playing midweek every week until Christmas in the seasons they struggle. We havebt

Obviously it won't always happen, but I'm rigid in the very minimum expectation being Hibs as a top 6 side.

 

[Hammi]

Agreed. I’m just saying that every other club has ambitions to be top 6 and if the likes of us, gunts and sheep aren’t performing to that standard consistently then we don’t deserve it based on financial clout and sizes of fanbase.

Deserving it is a different conversation. But if we can't collectively agree that's where Hibs should set their minimum target then there's nothing pushing them to be that.

 

[SuperTortolano]

6 out of 9 is more regular than not.

I genuinely find that shocking mate. You accept us as a bottom 6 side and too 6 is an achievement.

Who are the 6 sides that are bigger than us?

Celtic, Hunco, Hearts, Aberdeen..?

I agree that we should be a top 6 team consistently, but in my lifetime we've actually been more of a bottom 6 team. If you look at our finishes over the last 40 years, it's embarrassing. Throw in being relegated 3-4 times and it's even worse.

Top 6 should be the bare minimum, sadly that's not been the case.

 

[Hammi]

I agree that we should be a top 6 team consistently, but in my lifetime we've actually been more of a bottom 6 team. If you look at our finishes over the last 40 years, it's embarrassing. Throw in being relegated 3-4 times and it's even worse.

Top 6 should be the bare minimum, sadly that's not been the case.

This is where I think theres a mix up in how this is being communicated
Maybe on my part.

But under achieving for so long, doesn't mean we shouldn't expect to be better now.
Go back further than that and you've got people who have saw us win proper things.

Just because something hasn't been the standard, doesn't mean it shouldn't be.