Chris Cadden, not good enough

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Not my opinion, just something I keep reading here.
There's more than one Bouncer has the opinion that he is not up to scratch, not pish just 'not good enough'. Needs to be replaced by better. I can agree with that, if we can upgrade any position/player then that's a decent shout for us all.
But I kept reading how his position was targeted by other teams, as if he was (and was called by some) the 'weakest link.

So today me and my mate kept on eye on that.

Just to see how much he was indeed seen as the weak link.

St Midden have bent us over quite a few times in recent seasons, so obviously have as sussed pretty well.
Was Chris targeted by the Middens?

No.
He wasn't.

A couple ( or more ) wayward crosses for sure, but in fact Jack Iredale was guilty of more errors and seemed mor 'targeted' than Cadden.

All about opinions, but mine is Chris is simply a boo-boy target. Nothing more.


Mon the Caddens.
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Doc Shrink said:
Not my opinion, just something I keep reading here.
There's more than one Bouncer has the opinion that he is not up to scratch, not pish just 'not good enough'. Needs to be replaced by better. I can agree with that, if we can upgrade any position/player then that's a decent shout for us all.
But I kept reading how his position was targeted by other teams, as if he was (and was called by some) the 'weakest link.

So today me and my mate kept on eye on that.

Just to see how much he was indeed seen as the weak link.

St Midden have bent us over quite a few times in recent seasons, so obviously have as sussed pretty well.
Was Chris targeted by the Middens?

No.
He wasn't.

A couple ( or more ) wayward crosses for sure, but in fact Jack Iredale was guilty of more errors and seemed mor 'targeted' than Cadden.

All about opinions, but mine is Chris is simply a boo-boy target. Nothing more.


Mon the Caddens.
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Not as much a boo boy target as Josh Campbell who is referred to on X simply as #32 by folk who moan like fuck if he's included in a starting line up.
 
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Doc Shrink said:
Not my opinion, just something I keep reading here.
There's more than one Bouncer has the opinion that he is not up to scratch, not pish just 'not good enough'. Needs to be replaced by better. I can agree with that, if we can upgrade any position/player then that's a decent shout for us all.
But I kept reading how his position was targeted by other teams, as if he was (and was called by some) the 'weakest link.

So today me and my mate kept on eye on that.

Just to see how much he was indeed seen as the weak link.

St Midden have bent us over quite a few times in recent seasons, so obviously have as sussed pretty well.
Was Chris targeted by the Middens?

No.
He wasn't.

A couple ( or more ) wayward crosses for sure, but in fact Jack Iredale was guilty of more errors and seemed mor 'targeted' than Cadden.

All about opinions, but mine is Chris is simply a boo-boy target. Nothing more.


Mon the Caddens.
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Great shout Doc.
 
Doc Shrink said:
Not my opinion, just something I keep reading here.
There's more than one Bouncer has the opinion that he is not up to scratch, not pish just 'not good enough'. Needs to be replaced by better. I can agree with that, if we can upgrade any position/player then that's a decent shout for us all.
But I kept reading how his position was targeted by other teams, as if he was (and was called by some) the 'weakest link.

So today me and my mate kept on eye on that.

Just to see how much he was indeed seen as the weak link.

St Midden have bent us over quite a few times in recent seasons, so obviously have as sussed pretty well.
Was Chris targeted by the Middens?

No.
He wasn't.

A couple ( or more ) wayward crosses for sure, but in fact Jack Iredale was guilty of more errors and seemed mor 'targeted' than Cadden.

All about opinions, but mine is Chris is simply a boo-boy target. Nothing more.


Mon the Caddens.
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The latest scapegoat. It's that simple.
As you pointed out the guy having a tough time at the moment is Iredale.
He has had a few blunders this season, and FWIW, I dont think hes quite fully fit.
But, like everyone else in the squad he gives 100% every time hes on the park and he will get through his sticky patch.
It's nearly impossible to get 11 players all on song at the same time so one or two are going to look a bit suspect at any given time.
 
RWB is a position I'd be upgrading. C.Cadden is slow and I've lost count of the number of times I've seen teammates play a ball into space for him to run onto and he just never gets there. Not doubting the guy's effort or commitment but you need a bit of pace about you in that position. His crossing isn't a patch on his brother's either.

Agree Iredale doesn't look the player he was last season, ditto Junior Hoilett. Josh Campbell is the boo boy.
 
He’s still solid defensively but going forward he’s a bit off the boil. Rarely if ever beats his man or gets a decent cross in. Would still be a first pick at most SPL teams other than the Old Firm/Aberdeen/Hearts
 
I am one who has noted that I think Cadden is a weaker link. I have no interest in piling on to a player who always puts in a shift, I just think its a fact. For example, we looked much more dangerous against Legia after the reshuffle including his substitution.

I thought he was better yesterday but continue to think our right flank is a weak point- which is in relative terms, as we have strengthened elsewhere. 1875 in his JB made a good point about the load left to Cadden as others drifted left which I will keep an eye on and there will be no boo boying from me. But my feeling is this is where we are often exposed against better opposition. Too many crosses get through against us and not enough danger is created. We will see.

Agree with the point that Iredale is going though a wobbly patch.
 
I'm also in the 'Chris Cadden is great gang'.

But I think he was targeted yesterday with their press, two players sprinting at him to close him down. Not sure why, they never caught him, and I never see him lose possession after being pressed or make any mistakes, but I definitely noticed them doing it yesterday.

Now as many say, and as I've said before myself, he bombs up and down the line all game, gets us up from defense to attack, and sticks in a poor cross. Often what goes unnoticed is that we then have an attacking position from a defensive position.

The thing with Chris Cadden though, is he is bad at crossing and shooting, and you always notice when someone crosses or shoots badly, and so he looks way worse than he actually is.

I just think to myself, if he was good at crossing and shooting he would be an absolutely phenomenal player. He's brilliant at all the other stuff. Great attitude too, and I love having twins playing either side.
 
Doc Shrink said:
I've never really taken to 'X', despite you advising me some years ago that it was a cesspit full of fannies with fcukall useful to say about anything and thus eminently suitable for my input.

Maybe one day.
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Some of my pals ask me why I go on X when really they should know, I'm an argumentative fukker, so it's the ideal place to be for instant gratification.
 
Greenpower said:
His crossing is poor , continually over hits it or hits first man.

Defending is poor.

Yes has a great engine but runs up and down in straight lines .

If we are serious about improving and getting third place then we need better
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Nail on head with that post.
 
Greenpower said:
We also had miller.

Let’s see where we finish this season . Improvement is third with more points and going further in the cups
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I'm aware of what the word improvement means, but thanks for the English lesson.

I think we do need some more quality in the squad, and that third again is going to be a challenge. I don't think we'll be far away
 
I like Chris but he isn't great defensively. Great engine going forward and can put in an OK cross. It's Obita I deem more of a liability. Can't defend and his crossing is awful, always far too deepn
 
Good post, Doc Shrink.

I don't fully understand the criticism for C.Cadden to be honest. He is far from the perfect player but is also far from poor. I don't want this post to come across as if I am criticising other players, I just want to come up with comparisons as I feel certain players get judged differently.

I think Chris Cadden is better defensively than a lot give him credit for, I do get the frustration with his final ball at times but lets be honest, most folk now compare it to his brother and there is isn't many around who can whip a ball in like that. He isn't as good defensively as Obita on the other side but he is a better defender than his brother Nicky. I actually think he is a better player than Nicky 18 yard box to 18 yard box but Nicky has that ability to play the pin point diagonal and his crosses are generally on the money and that is what people seem to remember than their overall play. When Lewis Miller was here and he played at right back there was a massive difference in the teams play. The build up was slower and he got caught on the ball a lot. Moving to centre half was the making of Lewis as he was never considered a stick on starter before that, unless C.Cadden was nursing an injury. Chris is always available and is a good outball while on the field and that makes a noticeable difference to our play.

People are shouting for Mulligan to go out to RWB but he showed against Kilmarnock and St Mirren he still has a lot to learn defensively while being out there. Folk complain about Chris Caddens finishing which I cant really disagree with but again, Mulligan could've had six goals in the last 3 games if he could finish. Him getting in the positions isn't really a counter argument as C.Cadden should've scored roughly the same against FC Midg, Killie & Legia at home.

Like I said before, I'm not criticising the likes of Mulligan, just pointing out I think there is double standards when it comes to judging some players. Can you imagine how toxic sections of the fanbase would've got if Campbell had put in the same performance as Hoilett on Sunday? Twitter along with forums would've calling for him to hanged, drawn & quartered.

We are in a very good place just now, aiming for 3rd again. Cadden was a big part of that last season. Didn't he win player of the year when we finished 3rd under Jack Ross?
 
Purple & Green said:
Don’t get the criticism of Campbell or Cadden.

They are a much better standard of player than we’ve had in the past and the game is no longer about a strong first 11, it’s about a strong 20 with different options and cover.
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Football fans are always looking for a flawless team so we zone in on the weakest links. Celtic fans wanted better than their £10m man Idah. Whatever. Hibs fans want better than Campbell and CCadden. If we got significantly better than both we'd want better than O'Hora or Smith. It never stops. Just fans being fans.
 
MSG_07 said:
I like Chris but he isn't great defensively. Great engine going forward and can put in an OK cross. It's Obita I deem more of a liability. Can't defend and his crossing is awful, always far too deepn
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I must be watching a different Obita. I think you're right re his crossing and he passes back or sideways a lot but his defending is much better than Caddens.
 
Nothing wrong with Cadden we are better with him in the team than not., i do however think we are short in that position with only really Megwa if injury occurs
 
Green Sleeves said:
...Whatever. Hibs fans want better than Campbell and CCadden. If we got significantly better than both we'd want better than O'Hora or Smith...
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Just thinking any neutral looking in would think that was a fat-fingered typo rather than a clever way to distinguish one twin from another.
 
Dub said:
I must be watching a different Obita. I think you're right re his crossing and he passes back or sideways a lot but his defending is much better than Caddens.
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Nicky is the weakest defender out the lot of them imo, but he can cross so nobody cares.
 
Dub said:
I must be watching a different Obita. I think you're right re his crossing and he passes back or sideways a lot but his defending is much better than Caddens.
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Obita is a very good defender, he also seems to enjoy noising up opposition players which I love. He’s not offering much going forward, which is why at this stage of his career he’s maybe better suited to competing with Iredale for the left centre half role. Shame as he’s a very good crosser of the ball but rarely shows an interest in doing so.

Nicky Cadden is the best crosser of a ball in Scotland, and it’s not close.
 
I like Obita and agree with most of your post but I actually think he puts in loads of crosses but he's not a great crosser of the ball. He like C Cadden has a great engine and both are up and down the wing for the whole game. Defensively he sometimes is guilty of letting crosses go past him. When it comes to shielding the ball and letting it sun out of play he is great. N . Cadden definitely best crosser of the ball. I feel Obita on here gets a short shift but then he's not the only one, you just need to look at how many games he's started since he started playing regularly.
Then again maybe we need an upgrade on SDG cos he's the one who keeps playing them.
 
The way I see it is everyone has played a part in either last seasons record run and getting us to Europe, or played their part in a fantastic European adventure.

They've literally done exactly what's expected of them (and more)
But somehow they still aren't good enough to take us to third and European competition?

Cadden scored the deciding goal a couple weeks ago, in extra time, when he doesn't really get to go more than 70 minutes.
Smith another one who is currently partially considered not good enough, i genuinely couldn't tell you how many points he's won for us with some outrageous goalkeeping.
Rocky was never good enough, Newell was never good enough, O'Hora until about 3 weeks ago wasn't good enough..
Why does there always need to be someone?
 
Hibs have fickle fans like every other club. Some like some players better than others. It’s a long hard season and we need the squad to see us through. If we had great players in every position we would be challenging the dodgers.
Hammi said:
The way I see it is everyone has played a part in either last seasons record run and getting us to Europe, or played their part in a fantastic European adventure.

They've literally done exactly what's expected of them (and more)
But somehow they still aren't good enough to take us to third and European competition?

Cadden scored the deciding goal a couple weeks ago, in extra time, when he doesn't really get to go more than 70 minutes.
Smith another one who is currently partially considered not good enough, i genuinely couldn't tell you how many points he's won for us with some outrageous goalkeeping.
Rocky was never good enough, Newell was never good enough, O'Hora until about 3 weeks ago wasn't good enough..
Why does there always need to be someone?
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hibbybilly said:
Hibs have fickle fans like every other club. Some like some players better than others. It’s a long hard season and we need the squad to see us through. If we had great players in every position we would be challenging the dodgers.
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If we carry the same form this season as we had last season we actually would be.
I don't see why we can't go out and win every game now. Europe is done, the team has shown who they are and what they're about. Why should we be worried about the SPL?
 
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