Celtic ready to pay out to avoid court proceedings

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Guaranteed to be a “without liability or admission of guilt’.
Sweep sweep sweep.
 
Thought they were separate entities?

Hope they lying scumbags get done for millions the way they have treated the victims.
 
I’m not sure there’s much benefit in going to court, would it shine a light where this depravity continues to this day? I doubt it.

The main protagonists are in prison or dead, do the victims need an acknowledgment or an apology from cfc? I don’t know, maybe they’ve already had one - but it’s meaningless really, nobody from the club is still there, it’s the same entity but it’s entirely different.
 
Purple & Green said:
I’m not sure there’s much benefit in going to court, would it shine a light where this depravity continues to this day? I doubt it.

The main protagonists are in prison or dead, do the victims need an acknowledgment or an apology from cfc? I don’t know, maybe they’ve already had one - but it’s meaningless really, nobody from the club is still there, it’s the same entity but it’s entirely different.
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They club aren’t admitting accountability. That is what a lot of the abuse victims are looking for. They have swept it under the carpet for decades.
 
Bambino said:
They club aren’t admitting accountability. That is what a lot of the abuse victims are looking for. They have swept it under the carpet for decades.
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55 years on how can admit accountability?

They can’t speak for the people who ran the club then - the custodians - ?

In a similar way, could Hibs apologize for things that happened whilst Harry Swan owned the club? I think apologies like that are glib and trite.

Like the British government apologizing for things that happened 200 years ago. They’re not sorry, not in any meaning of the word I understand.
 
Purple & Green said:
55 years on how can admit accountability?

They can’t speak for the people who ran the club then - the custodians - ?

In a similar way, could Hibs apologize for things that happened whilst Harry Swan owned the club? I think apologies like that are glib and trite.

Like the British government apologizing for things that happened 200 years ago. They’re not sorry, not in any meaning of the word I understand.
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They have said for decades the abuse that took place was at Celtc boys club that are a completely separate entity from Celtic football club and washed their hands of any accountability despite the abusers being employed by the football club.

Celtc football club should be sorry, ashamed and embarrassed for all the years they have distanced themselves from this and even now they are not admitting accountability. The victims have every right now to get this through court for the Justice system to once and for all make the judgement that the football club was a massive part in it when all they have done all these years is wash their hands of the guys who were horrifically abused.

Hibs have never came out and said Harry Swan and his sick shit was nothing to do with our football club. Celtc have claimed that for decades to avoid paying out.
 
Cellik, cellik are falling apart again
Losing and playing with 9 players after 70 minutes against Feyenoord.
 
Bambino said:
They have said for decades the abuse that took place was at Celtc boys club that are a completely separate entity from Celtic football club and washed their hands of any accountability despite the abusers being employed by the football club.

Celtc football club should be sorry, ashamed and embarrassed for all the years they have distanced themselves from this and even now they are not admitting accountability. The victims have every right now to get this through court for the Justice system to once and for all make the judgement that the football club was a massive part in it when all they have done all these years is wash their hands of the guys who were horrifically abused.

Hibs have never came out and said Harry Swan and his sick shit was nothing to do with our football club. Celtc have claimed that for decades to avoid paying out.
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What did Harry Swan do?
 
barney said:
@SlovSam should be around soon to clarify
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Completely lost on me where Harry Swan of Hibs (deid by the early 1960's) fits into the Celtc child abuse scandal of the mid 70's to early 1980's though it's good to see at last they aren't trying to wriggle out of it though it's only because they were facing a group action lawsuit.

Always around to debunk other Harry Swan myths though. 😉
 
Celtic should be held accountable for the disgraces at the boys club, just as Hibs and the Huns should be accountable for Gordon Neely, and every other instance where a desire to avoid scandal led to institutional protection of monsters.

Which isn't a short list.

Better late than never and better something than nothing, but the victims deserve more than a settlement and i hope they push for it
 
Braehead Cabbage said:
I'm well aware of the pish the fans of the tribute act spout regarding Swan but I'm struggling to see how this is in any way similar to child abuse at celtc.
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It’s not,

If hibs apologized for something during Bill Harrowers time or Tom Harts it’s the same point.

I’m not saying they will or they should or there’s anything to apologize for…

What I’m saying is apologizing for something 40/50/60 years ago is meaningless, even if it is the same entity because you’re not apologizing for anything you’ve done, or anything you could possibly have affected.

It’s like people apologizing for the crimes of their ancestors…it’s meaningless.
 
Purple & Green said:
It’s not,

If hibs apologized for something during Bill Harrowers time or Tom Harts it’s the same point.

I’m not saying they will or they should or there’s anything to apologize for…

What I’m saying is apologizing for something 40/50/60 years ago is meaningless, even if it is the same entity because you’re not apologizing for anything you’ve done, or anything you could possibly have affected.

It’s like people apologizing for the crimes of their ancestors…it’s meaningless.
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I don't think the initial question about Swan was directed at you mate someone said Swan done sick shit I think that's what @braeheadcabbage was meaning when he asked what Swan done 👍
 
I think the victims probably want an apology from Torbett - that’s much more meaningful than an apology from Celtic really and will never be forthcoming.
 
Purple & Green said:
I think the victims probably want an apology from Torbett - that’s much more meaningful than an apology from Celtic really and will never be forthcoming.
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But if you were a victim and had faced a wall of denial from Celtic for over 50 years wouldn't an apology - albeit a long overdue one - be welcome and bring some closure?

Wasn't there already a court case though? Sure I can mind former boys club players such as Alan Brazil etc giving evidence? Or was that against Torbett specifically.
 
Purple & Green said:
It’s not,

If hibs apologized for something during Bill Harrowers time or Tom Harts it’s the same point.

I’m not saying they will or they should or there’s anything to apologize for…

What I’m saying is apologizing for something 40/50/60 years ago is meaningless, even if it is the same entity because you’re not apologizing for anything you’ve done, or anything you could possibly have affected.

It’s like people apologizing for the crimes of their ancestors…it’s meaningless.
Braehead Cabbage said:
Yip
I thought there had been accusations of child abuse made against Swan.
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Same here, mental post that.
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During evidence in his latest trial, Torbett vehemently denied abusing any boys and described himself as "a decent man".

He said: "I will keep repeating that till the day I die."

That’s much more significant than anything Celtic have to say I think.
 
Braehead Cabbage said:
Yip
I thought there had been accusations of child abuse made against Swan.
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He died in 1963. When and by who?

Arent you getting mixed up with Gordon Neely who was a coach at Hibs and "Scotland's Shame 1873" and there was allegations plus an SFA investigation about 1970's offences.
 
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Cavalier said:
Lessons learned from Buckingham palace?
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Standard practice, no admission of guilt, non disclosure agreement etc etc in return for money.
The big winners at the end of the day with this development will be Thompsons Solicitors who represent almost 30 victims.
A big kerching for them.
 
SlovSam said:
He died in 1963. When and by who?

Arent you getting mixed up with Gordon Neely who was a coach at Hibs and "Scotland's Shame 1873" and there was allegations plus an SFA investigation about 1970's offences.
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No.
The original mention of Swan was asking if Hibs should apologise for him.
I asked why would Hibs have to apologies for Swan as far as i knew there were no accusations about him other than the pish the diets go on about.
 
SlovSam said:
He died in 1963. When and by who?

Arent you getting mixed up with Gordon Neely who was a coach at Hibs and "Scotland's Shame 1873" and there was allegations plus an SFA investigation about 1970's offences.
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Yes. Stupidly without even reading and taking in the post correctly I assumed was Neely.

Apologies to any offence my post caused.
 
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