Canada

[joethehibby]

Carney wins Canadian election and sticks one / two fingers up to Trump seems a genuine guy for a politician

 

[egb_hibs]

He owes his victory substantially to Trump I reckon. Let's see how he gets on; got to be a improvement on Trudeau but as the former head of the BoE he could hardly be a bigger example of the left / capitalist establishment - at least on paper.

 

[Dub]

He owes his victory substantially to Trump I reckon. Let's see how he gets on; got to be a improvement on Trudeau but as the former head of the BoE he could hardly be a bigger example of the left / capitalist establishment - at least on paper.

I think you're right. He basically told Trumplethinskin to do one and
Canada went Yaay

 

[Doc Shrink]

Elbows out.

 

[egb_hibs]

I think you're right. He basically told Trumplethinskin to do one and
Canada went Yaay

Trumplethinkskin

 

[greencol]

Elbows out.

Mair like Toys Out the Pram for the Trumpet.

 

[joethehibby]

Me this, me that, he’s forever blowing his own trumpet

 

[Archie]

Create a common enemy and voters will coalesce around that. The thing is that Trump did it for the Liberals all by himself. People trusted Carney more than Poilievre in the face of the threats. I don't think Trudeau would have won this.

 

[greencol]

Create a common enemy and voters will coalesce around that. The thing is that Trump did it for the Liberals all by himself. People trusted Carney more than Poilievre in the face of the threats. I don't think Trudeau would have won this.

It shows once more, how easy it is to scare the average voter.

 

[joethehibby]

On a scale of 1 to 10, for intelligence, Carney is probably a 9 / 10, trump probably a - Fill in the blank ?

 

[Stu]

Elbows out.

Elbows up, Doc.

 

[connerg]

Carney was the Governor of the BoE during the Scottish Indy vote in 2014. He told Scotland we couldn't use Sterling if we voted Yes, not even for a transitional period.
My point is, he is Canadian and Canada used Sterling until 1979, a transitional period, then they converted to the Canadian dollar.

 

[Doc Shrink]

Elbows up, Doc.

Bugger.

 

[Archie]

Carney was the Governor of the BoE during the Scottish Indy vote in 2014. He told Scotland we couldn't use Sterling if we voted Yes, not even for a transitional period.
My point is, he is Canadian and Canada used Sterling until 1979, a transitional period, then they converted to the Canadian dollar.

I think your timeline is way off.

Canadian dollar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for 2014 what he said was there couldn't be a currency union - not the same thing. In fact he was asserting that Scotland would need its own central bank in line with national sovereignty.

Mark Carney warns Scotland over pound

Bank of England governor Mark Carney tells trade unions that currency union after Scottish independence would be "incompatible with sovereignty".

www.bbc.com

 

[Archie]

It shows once more, how easy it is to scare the average voter.

Really. You think having your southern neighbour threaten to take you over, hammering you with tariffs and blaming you for their fentanyl problem isn't an issue?

 

[greencol]

Really. You think having your southern neighbour threaten to take you over, hammering you with tariffs and blaming you for their fentanyl problem isn't an issue?

For some Archie, but I'd bet the average voter didn't even think about most of the 'problems' associated.
As for a southern neighbour taking over and telling you what you can and can't do?
How does that work?

 

[Archie]

For some Archie, but I'd bet the average voter didn't even think about most of the 'problems' associated.
As for a southern neighbour taking over and telling you what you can and can't do?
How does that work?

I'm certain that Trump's ravings on this was a factor, as was getting rid of Trudeau. You can track the reversal in the polls from when Trump started sounding off. The Liberals were looking at a wipeout. And yet they won.

 

[Sancho Panza]

Trump really is a clown. All he needed to do was keep his fat orange gob shut and he would have had a conservative ally in Canada. Now he has their implacable hostility. Bismarck he ain't.

 

[Stu]

For some Archie, but I'd bet the average voter didn't even think about most of the 'problems' associated.
As for a southern neighbour taking over and telling you what you can and can't do?
How does that work?

By threatening/attempting to crash your economy with tariffs..

Canadian folks I have spoken to recently very much think of the other issues the country faces as always. Canada's affairs are not governed by that orange prick.

 

[emerald green]

Trump really is a clown. All he needed to do was keep his fat orange gob shut and he would have had a conservative ally in Canada. Now he has their implacable hostility. Bismarck he ain't.

He really is a fucktard. a rapist fucktard tae

 

[Archie]

I saw a really interesting interview where a writer highlighted Trump's fatal weakness in negotiations. He sees everything as a zero sum game: if they get that then I don't have it. He has no concept of a win win.

He also has extremely bad business practices - stiffing people he has done deals with and so on. That doesn't work in an international context. And it doesn't work as a president.

And because he's a bullshitter he just says stuff and then denies it or passes it off as sarcasm. I mean saying he could end the war in Ukraine in 24h is passed off as 'in jest '!

The thing is, even if the Conservatives had won, they had to pivot to an anti Trump position as well. But shutting his mouth is not a Trump trait.

 

[Jack]

If only Madkink was still of this parish

 

[Archie]

I know there's not much love for politicians here, but on a human level Poilievre's fall is like a Shakespearean tragedy. Three months ago he was a shoe in tho be PM. Now he's not even an MP.

 

[Wishbone]

On a scale of 1 to 10, for intelligence, Carney is probably a 9 / 10, trump probably a - Fill in the blank ?

1/1000? and that's being charitable.

 

[egb_hibs]

I know there's not much love for politicians here, but on a human level Poilievre's fall is like a Shakespearean tragedy. Three months ago he was a shoe in tho be PM. Now he's not even an MP.

He'll be his chance yet I expect. Elecorates everywhere are see-sawing like crazy.

It will be interestng to see how Carney fares, having been delivered to power by Trump despite the unpopularity of his party

 

[Dub]

I think your timeline is way off.

Canadian dollar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for 2014 what he said was there couldn't be a currency union - not the same thing. In fact he was asserting that Scotland would need its own central bank in line with national sovereignty.

Mark Carney warns Scotland over pound

Bank of England governor Mark Carney tells trade unions that currency union after Scottish independence would be "incompatible with sovereignty".

www.bbc.com

Salmond lost the potential victory with his bullshit about using the pound sterling and Darling wiped the floor with him in a TV debate. Salmond had no answer, not even "We can use the pound if we want and will do so until we set up our own currency" everything should have been in place Ie a central bank ready to go but the ego had landed, he got the referendum and his hubris got the better of him.

 

[Alberta Hibee]

The next four years will be very interesting in Canadian Politics. The country is very much split as the voting shows. Alberta isn't a fan of Carney, and it shows but that I think personally it's a Trudeau rollover from his time as PM.That man was despised here.
Interesting times ahead.

 

[GORDONSMITH7]

The next four years will be very interesting in Canadian Politics. The country is very much split as the voting shows. Alberta isn't a fan of Carney, and it shows but that I think personally it's a Trudeau rollover from his time as PM.That man was despised here.
Interesting times ahead.

If we read between the lines, Carney’s government will be decidedly more right-wing and fiscally conservative than Trudeau.

Canada: ruling class places its bets on Mark Carney

Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party and prime minister. He has miraculously resuscitated the Liberals, capitalizing on the fears raised by Trump.

marxist.com

BIG G

 

[egb_hibs]

If we read between the lines, Carney’s government will be decidedly more right-wing and fiscally conservative than Trudeau.

Canada: ruling class places its bets on Mark Carney

Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party and prime minister. He has miraculously resuscitated the Liberals, capitalizing on the fears raised by Trump.

marxist.com

BIG G

Are these chaps basically equating being left wing with running a deficit ? That's how it reads. Perhaps they are, which is admirably candid.

It also sounds like they embrace autarky, which again is striking given it is associated with fascism, though to be fair Stalin also I would imagine. Or latterly, perhaps Donald Trump.

I mean if they dont want jobs brought to Canada by offsetting lower costs of production elsewhere, then it's either that or mass unemployment ? I mean they characterise it as subsidising capitalists, but at some level they must know this is just a juvenile posture and securing Canadian jobs is what it's really about - they can after all read and write?

Finally the implication of this article is Donald Trump is much more left wing than pretty much any western leader. Sadly they were less transparent on this point.

Or perhaps they're hopelessly confused ? Either way, these Canadian communists seem less on the ball than some of their comrades from elsewhere that write there. This feels like it has emerged from a posh Canadian university campus tbh.

 

[Archie]

Salmond lost the potential victory with his bullshit about using the pound sterling and Darling wiped the floor with him in a TV debate. Salmond had no answer, not even "We can use the pound if we want and will do so until we set up our own currency" everything should have been in place Ie a central bank ready to go but the ego had landed, he got the referendum and his hubris got the better of him.

I think this is little unfair on Salmond. The currency issue is tricky. It's fixable long term, but the messaging in the run up to the referendum was all about reassurance. It's not a reassuring message to have to acknowledge at least short term disruption to mortgages and pensions.

Salmond was a really good debater and few expected Darling to stick one on him as he did.

Do you think any future prospectus would explicitly say Scotland would set up it's own currency and central bank on independence?

 

[Jack]

I think this is little unfair on Salmond. The currency issue is tricky. It's fixable long term, but the messaging in the run up to the referendum was all about reassurance. It's not a reassuring message to have to acknowledge at least short term disruption to mortgages and pensions.

Salmond was a really good debater and few expected Darling to stick one on him as he did.

Do you think any future prospectus would explicitly say Scotland would set up it's own currency and central bank on independence?

I know what you're trying to do!

No matter what the governor of the Bank of England said there is copious amounts of precedent for Scotland to use sterling. I don't recall there being any loss of sovereignty to the Republic of Ireland from independence up until the adopted the Euro. For example.

Maybe you could explain why they were able to use sterling after a fairly torrid divorce when the liklihood is Scotland would be amicable?

 

[Archie]

I know what you're trying to do!

No matter what the governor of the Bank of England said there is copious amounts of precedent for Scotland to use sterling. I don't recall there being any loss of sovereignty to the Republic of Ireland from independence up until the adopted the Euro. For example.

Maybe you could explain why they were able to use sterling after a fairly torrid divorce when the liklihood is Scotland would be amicable?

Any country can use any currency it likes. Ireland chose to peg to Sterling for almost 40 years. It was only after the adoption of their own currency and then the Euro that the economy boomed. FWIW I think the peg was justified at the time. But that was a long time ago.

The immediate issue would be that the Scottish Government and (economy) would be using a currency that was controlled by another country. The idea of a currency union with Scotland had nothing in it for rUK. El Salvador uses the US dollar, but there's no currency union there either.

The longer term issue is you can't join the EU without your own currency or central bank .

On a broader point, monetary unions post break up of countries don't have a great track record. The Czech - Slovak monetary union collapsed six weeks after separation.

 

[Jack]

Any country can use any currency it likes. Ireland chose to peg to Sterling for almost 40 years. It was only after the adoption of their own currency and then the Euro that the economy boomed. FWIW I think the peg was justified at the time. But that was a long time ago.

The immediate issue would be that the Scottish Government and (economy) would be using a currency that was controlled by another country. The idea of a currency union with Scotland had nothing in it for rUK. El Salvador uses the US dollar, but there's no currency union there either.

The longer term issue is you can't join the EU without your own currency or central bank .

On a broader point, monetary unions post break up of countries don't have a great track record. The Czech - Slovak monetary union collapsed six weeks after separation.

So he was at best scaremongering or downright lying as per for the unionists that want to appear staunch

 

[EH17 Jimmy]

Just read a wee article where I read this about the Conservatives making gains in working class areas. The article is from UnHerd.......



Both these parties made sizeable gains, the more consequential performance likely coming from Poilievre, who stole a number of working-class seats from progressive parties. But both will nonetheless also have to deal with the sting of dashed expectations.

working-class Canadians in industrial cities such as Hamilton and Windsor identified with Polievre’s “boots-not-suits” message, rather than the expert reassurances of Carney and the old Trudeau ministers; and crucially, the multicultural “905” Greater Toronto Area suburbs, where Canadian elections are won and lost, broke the Liberal “red wall” there to elect just enough Conservatives to deny Liberals the advantage in Ontario, effectively blocking the Liberal Party’s path to a majority.

 

[Archie]

So he was at best scaremongering or downright lying as per for the unionists that want to appear staunch

If that's the interpretation you take from what I've written I can only surmise you've been on the sangria.

 

[Dub]

I think this is little unfair on Salmond. The currency issue is tricky. It's fixable long term, but the messaging in the run up to the referendum was all about reassurance. It's not a reassuring message to have to acknowledge at least short term disruption to mortgages and pensions.

Salmond was a really good debater and few expected Darling to stick one on him as he did.

Do you think any future prospectus would explicitly say Scotland would set up it's own currency and central bank on independence?

There's disruption in any divorce which is why using the £ while setting up our own currency would be a must to cause the least amount of disruption.

Imo any future prospectus would have to include Scotland setting up her own currency and doing it as quickly as possible.

I may be wrong but I think the SNIB could be repurposed to be a central bank and a new currency can be set up in a fairly short time.

Salmond was sucker punched because he believed his own hype and didn't deem it necessary to have answers to important questions. After all, support for indy was on the rise: what could possibly go wrong?

I honestly think that debate cost us independence, well, that and project fear of course.

 

[GORDONSMITH7]

Just read a wee article where I read this about the Conservatives making gains in working class areas. The article is from UnHerd.....



Both these parties made sizeable gains, the more consequential performance likely coming from Poilievre, who stole a number of working-class seats from progressive parties. But both will nonetheless also have to deal with the sting of dashed expectations.

working-class Canadians in industrial cities such as Hamilton and Windsor identified with Polievre’s “boots-not-suits” message, rather than the expert reassurances of Carney and the old Trudeau ministers; and crucially, the multicultural “905” Greater Toronto Area suburbs, where Canadian elections are won and lost, broke the Liberal “red wall” there to elect just enough Conservatives to deny Liberals the advantage in Ontario, effectively blocking the Liberal Party’s path to a majority.

The CEOs and the rich got their man. Carney, a 'safe pair of hands' for their 'second eleven', who is no friend of the working class and austerity will be on the agenda. This will be a government of crisis from day one and the Canadian working class must resist all attempts to offload the costs of the crisis onto their backs.
I wrote the same about Starmer and an incoming Labour Government prior to its election. That didn't take too long did it.

BIG G

 

[egb_hibs]

The CEOs and the rich got their man. Carney, a 'safe pair of hands' for their 'second eleven', who is no friend of the working class and austerity will be on the agenda. This will be a government of crisis from day one and the Canadian working class must resist all attempts to offload the costs of the crisis onto their backs.
I wrote the same about Starmer and an incoming Labour Government prior to its election. That didn't take too long did it.

BIG G

In this you are bang on and more so than your Canadian comrades. But as someone once said - 'what is to be done'? Specifically, what is to be done while we await the global revolution ?

Which, as it happens, is underway - at least in so far as the western world is concerned - but not from the Marxist camp. And that is at least in part through failure to answer Vladimir Ilyich's question.

 

[EH17 Jimmy]

We can rest assured that workers will be shafted.

I watched a clip on YaTube recently and found out that the Canadian government pays the media!!!!!!!!



The Macdonald-Laurier Institute
macdonaldlaurier.ca
Government subsidies for Canada's media were supposed to be ...

8 days ago — Between the various media support programs and CBC funding, the federal government is spending over $1.7 billion annually subsidising journalism ...

 

[Jack]

If that's the interpretation you take from what I've written I can only surmise you've been on the sangria.

I don't drink on the way home, your comments are untrue and unfounded. Just as most of your comments on independence are.