Cameron avoiding TV debates

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What does everybody reckon his thinking is behind this one? He's a PM built on little substance but maximum PR, defies belief he'd score such an own goal. Public and media will be out to get him over it.

The Tory plan of attack seems to be solely on Miliband's image, why not kill him off with a one on one? Whole thing is strange.
 
The__Proclaimer said:
What does everybody reckon his thinking is behind this one? He's a PM built on little substance but maximum PR, defies belief he'd score such an own goal. Public and media will be out to get him over it.

The Tory plan of attack seems to be solely on Miliband's image, why not kill him off with a one on one? Whole thing is strange.
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I personally just think that he is sh1t at debating and he knows it.
 
The__Proclaimer said:
What does everybody reckon his thinking is behind this one? He's a PM built on little substance but maximum PR, defies belief he'd score such an own goal. Public and media will be out to get him over it.

The Tory plan of attack seems to be solely on Miliband's image, why not kill him off with a one on one? Whole thing is strange.
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Milliband can only exceed public opinion, Cameron can't win a debate, even if he does, as most expect him to. lose/lose for Cameron.
 
southfieldhibby said:
Milliband can only exceed public opinion, Cameron can't win a debate, even if he does, as most expect him to. lose/lose for Cameron.
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Even if Miliband does a 'Clegg' and has a stormer surely the boost in ratings won't match Cameron's fall by avoiding him like a coward? Hope they have balls to have an empty podium debate.
 
The__Proclaimer said:
What does everybody reckon his thinking is behind this one? He's a PM built on little substance but maximum PR, defies belief he'd score such an own goal. Public and media will be out to get him over it.

The Tory plan of attack seems to be solely on Miliband's image, why not kill him off with a one on one? Whole thing is strange.
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A debate could kill Milliband off but it could also really damage Cameron. It is so tight between the parties now that I'd imagine they will be picking and choosing when to point-score off each other very carefully - the free for all nature of a debate isn't really conducive to that.

He is a big shite-bag basically.
 
The__Proclaimer said:
Even if Miliband does a 'Clegg' and has a stormer surely the boost in ratings won't match Cameron's fall by avoiding him like a coward? Hope they have balls to have an empty podium debate.
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Here we agree Proccy. I too hope that they empty chair him or better still, put a cardboard cut out of him in his seat or on his podium. The man is a complete coward by avoiding the debates. I take [MENTION=409]southfieldhibby[/MENTION]'s point about him [Cameron not Southfield] having nothing to gain but still, he ought to have the nads to stand up there and defend himself, his party and it's politics.
 
He should jus go on and rip into Liebour that we are all still paying for the last time they held Government.

Politics in the UK is simply funkin depressing. Labour spend, tories cut, labour spend tories cut, all other opposition hounded by the msm as not fit, meanwhile labour spend, tories cut etc etc :ura::ura::ura::ura:
 
Cameron didn't feel the need to campaign in the Scottish referendum, nevermind appear in a TV debate. Why would he do any differently this time?

I think it should be a requirement to stand before a public audience and debate. Umfortunately when Cameron came to Scotland it was all behind closed doors. Not very democratic.
 
Quite a handbags altercation, personally it looksito me like camerons now making a scapegoat out of the SNP for his refusing to take part.

BBC News - Miliband and Cameron get personal in TV debate row

The Labour leader accused the PM of "chickening out" of a debate with him, saying: "Like all bullies, when the heat is really on he runs for cover." THIS IS VERY TRUE, WELL DONE MR MILLIBAND

Mr Cameron attacked Mr Miliband as "despicable and weak" for not ruling out a post election deal with the SNP.

AND THIS IS RELEVANT BECAUSE...?

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Though to be balanced about bullying - Milliband was certainly a signed up to project fear.
 
SirRiordan said:
Cameron didn't feel the need to campaign in the Scottish referendum, nevermind appear in a TV debate. Why would he do any differently this time?

I think it should be a requirement to stand before a public audience and debate. Umfortunately when Cameron came to Scotland it was all behind closed doors. Not very democratic.
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He didn't have to, Broon/Labour done that for him.
 
Having watched the puerile goings on in the House of Commons I am relieved there is no so called debate.

Anyway, surely the voters know who they will vote for. Does anyone really change their mind after a debate?
 
mondongo said:
Having watched the puerile goings on in the House of Commons I am relieved there is no so called debate.Anyway, surely the voters know who they will vote for. Does anyone really change their mind after a debate?
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If that's how the head honcho behaves then I reckon folk should know about it, how else will things change? A TV debate would be very different to prime ministers questions. I remember back in the 90's prime ministers questions would be the first item on news. Today we're lucky if we hear anything, usually because Madonna has fallen off the stage or Jeremy Clarkson has managed to offend someone.I'm no expert but even if 10% of the vote is still up for grabs then that can swing everything.

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PS - Votes can certainly change. I voted Lib Dem when I first got the opportunity, I then swung to the greens before settling with SNP. Fortunately Iraq and David Kelly happened before I got an opportunity to dabble with the labour party:)
 
mondongo said:
Having watched the puerile goings on in the House of Commons I am relieved there is no so called debate.

Anyway, surely the voters know who they will vote for. Does anyone really change their mind after a debate?
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They're puerile precisely because we watch them. In this area of pc, media assassination, hyper offendedness, juvenile attitude to reality and General hysteria, having cameras in the house pretty much ensures that any real discussion happens elsewhere.
 
egb_hibs said:
They're puerile precisely because we watch them. In this area of pc, media assassination, hyper offendedness, juvenile attitude to reality and General hysteria, having cameras in the house pretty much ensures that any real discussion happens elsewhere.
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I actually think that's an unfair comment. Certainly very true on the pathetic PMQ's but the quality of debate away from that in both houses and indeed select committee's etc is reasonably high.
 
You've said it yourself - the real meat goes on outside. Cameras are a big part of that. I think we're also missing the incredibly narrow and controlled range of 'debate'
 
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