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Certainly looks more possible than it did a few hours ago.
 
I see the Pound was having a good day, until big Gogs made his speech; whereafter it dived a penny against the dollar with immediate effect, at the prospect of labour being part of the government.
 
Brown had to go after last week...

IMo it will be a Tory minority government led by David Cameron, backed by the Lib Dems.
Brown's departure just fires the pistol for the labour leadership race to begin. Labour were hammered
UK wide last Thursday. There is no way the country would tolerate them being involved in any iminent governement
as they have no mandate anymore to govern.
 
Methinks that part of the deal for a Lib Lab pact was the removal of Broon. It seems fairly common knowledge that Clegg can't stick the man
 
I'd hardly say that Labour were "Hammered" Greenmachine? 30% was a better result than many expected. After 13 years in Government in a horrible economic climat with an unpopular leader it's quite incredible that the Tories only got 36%. Nobody won this election. They all got beat. And there is a duty on the MP's elected to get together and form a Government. Labour and the Lib dems got 15 million votes. The Tories got only 10 million. I'd say that with much more in common the Lib Dems and Labour should do a deal. In order for that to happen Brown has done the right thing.
 
Lib Lab won't last. We'll be back at the ballot box within 12 months.
 
Smurf; Labour got a little over what Foot got. I think that's what people mean. There may only be 7 points or whatever it is between them and the tories, but given that both of them have an immovable base (it seems) of 20 odd percent, then for the votes realistically in play it was indeed a massacre. Had those vote shares been reversed, labour would be in power with a huge majority.

ps from a legitimacy pov, do you really think clegg can side with labour when so obviously a lib con coalition would reflect a significantly larger share of voters?
 
Not a Labourite myself but I agree with your view here. Labour did better than I expected and I would not say they were hammered and certainly not UK wide as I think they have as many seats in Scotland as ever. Brown and Labour may not have a mandate to govern but let's remember this very important point - nor do Cameron and the Conservatives. A coalition is the inevitable outcome and a coalition between two parties who finished second and third is perfectly within their rights and would be nothing new in European terms. If that's what happens then people need to get used to that because Cameron did not win a mandate either.
 
Smurf said:
I'd hardly say that Labour were "Hammered" Greenmachine? 30% was a better result than many expected. After 13 years in Government in a horrible economic climat with an unpopular leader it's quite incredible that the Tories only got 36%. Nobody won this election. They all got beat. And there is a duty on the MP's elected to get together and form a Government. Labour and the Lib dems got 15 million votes. The Tories got only 10 million. I'd say that with much more in common the Lib Dems and Labour should do a deal. In order for that to happen Brown has done the right thing.
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Not a Labourite myself but I agree with your view here. Labour did better than I expected. They were hammered and certainly not UK wide as I think they won as many seats in Scotland as ever! Brown and Labour may not have a mandate to govern but let's remember this very important point - nor do Cameron and the Conservatives. A coalition is the inevitable outcome and a coalition between two parties who finished second and third is perfectly within their rights and would be nothing new in European terms. If that's what happens then people need to get used to that because Cameron did not win a mandate either.
 
Kurt said:
Lib Lab won't last. We'll be back at the ballot box within 12 months.
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What makes you say that? Just because that's what happened in 1974? Everybody said the same about the SNP minority govt but it is still intact.
 
GalegoHibs said:
Not a Labourite myself but I agree with your view here. Labour did better than I expected. They were hammered and certainly not UK wide as I think they won as many seats in Scotland as ever! Brown and Labour may not have a mandate to govern but let's remember this very important point - nor do Cameron and the Conservatives. A coalition is the inevitable outcome and a coalition between two parties who finished second and third is perfectly within their rights and would be nothing new in European terms. If that's what happens then people need to get used to that because Cameron did not win a mandate either.
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Scotland's role in this, I have to say, disgusts me. Unlike the English we actually have a viably alternative for centre left voters. And yet still we went cap doffed to the feudal masters; and unionists to boot.

With wanting to sound like a pseud (yet again :wink:) I've been dipping into the Record and Mirror lately and it's unbelievable the different face of the Labour party presented versus what one would find in the Guardian or Indy who actually drive their agenda. I dare say the same would be true of the telegraph versus the sun, but I'd be surprised if it was to the same extent. Why? Because I don't believe the middle and even upper class tory voter, are so distant from each other, than the islington liberal and the coatbridge tim.
 
egb_hibs said:
Scotland's role in this, I have to say, disgusts me. Unlike the English we actually have a viably alternative for centre left voters. And yet still we went cap doffed to the feudal masters; and unionists to boot.
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I don't disagree with that.
 
tactical votes - Scotland was simply more scared of a tory majority than any other outcome - its not as if we love labour, its we're scared of the tories. perhaps unnecessarily so, perhaps we could take a bit of pain for a bit of long term gain (and by that i mean a move towards independence) but its understandable given recent history - i am not disgusted by Scotland's voters other than the 38% of the dumfrieshire, clydesdale and tweedale constituents
 
R; once again I must question your commitment to this anarchy lark. Scotland has voted like castillian spain; for centralisation over decentralisation; for authoritarianism versus less of it (let's face it they're all at it, but labour more than any other). That we are actually catalunya or the basque country just adds to the cravenness of it. I humbly suggest that if you are anything less than disgusted, you might revisit your positions on various distant, but no doubt more commensurately more romantic, questions.

ps - i realise I rely a bit to heavily on the guardian, but left wing posters on there regularly opine the wish for an alternative such as we scots have. well we didn't take it - when do we offer our brides to the massa?
 
my being disgusted or not has nothing to do with my own political view, i even hint that I regret the voter's choice here but I I can understand the rationale and i think they are right to be fearful of a strong tory govt
 
get off the fence bud. im not insinuating that scots should have voted tory. but to swing too labour against all other trends and with a uniquely credible left wing alternative; craven. Serfland more like.
 
gun ainm said:
its not as if we love labour, its we're scared of the tories.
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The sheep here in Glasgow actually do love Labour. In fact Labour could burn their houses down and pistol whip their dugs and they'd still vote Labour. It's actually genetic; passes from father to son.
 
Brown has quit as PM

Lib torry collation is now gonna happen. Fuckin great.
 
I'm not entirely convinced by the credibility of the SNP to be honest - particularly as a sideshow at westminster, for me they are more nationalist than left wing anyway and it seems apparent (even though i am broadly in favour of independence) that the country remains to be convinced by the break up of the union. I think its constitutional matters thats are in a lot of minds when people vote labour or snp, not the parties respective economics/social policies. The snp we're not particularly convincing about why we should vote for them this time round - the scotland's champions thing was imo ill considered, labour effectively put the frightners on and played it right (even though i might regret that fact).
 
I don't know what worries me more...the fact that the media thinks him stepping down will have some great effect on the current political talks, or the fact that it might ACTUALLY have an effect on them.

I'm no Brown supporter but to be honest he has seemed like a fairly solid political guy who's coped not to badly with the shite left by Blair and the hard economic times he's found himself in. Really the only criticism many people have of him (compared to the likes of Blair, Cameron, Clegg), is that he isn't media friendly.

I'm sorry but I want someone who can run the country not someone who can win a modeling contract...if I DID want someone who could win a modeling contract or popularity contest I wouldn't be picking any of these wankers I'd pick a model/actress.
 
Nex said:
I don't know what worries me more...the fact that the media thinks him stepping down will have some great effect on the current political talks, or the fact that it might ACTUALLY have an effect on them.

I'm no Brown supporter but to be honest he has seemed like a fairly solid political guy who's coped not to badly with the shite left by Blair and the hard economic times he's found himself in. Really the only criticism many people have of him (compared to the likes of Blair, Cameron, Clegg), is that he isn't media friendly.

I'm sorry but I want someone who can run the country not someone who can win a modeling contract...if I DID want someone who could win a modeling contract or popularity contest I wouldn't be picking any of these wankers I'd pick a model/actress.
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Got to agree. Gordon Brown might go down in history as one of the most unfortunate PM's ever in terms of when he went in and what has happened economically since he has gotten into power.
 
Nex said:
I don't know what worries me more...the fact that the media thinks him stepping down will have some great effect on the current political talks, or the fact that it might ACTUALLY have an effect on them.

I'm no Brown supporter but to be honest he has seemed like a fairly solid political guy who's coped not to badly with the shite left by Blair and the hard economic times he's found himself in. Really the only criticism many people have of him (compared to the likes of Blair, Cameron, Clegg), is that he isn't media friendly.

I'm sorry but I want someone who can run the country not someone who can win a modeling contract...if I DID want someone who could win a modeling contract or popularity contest I wouldn't be picking any of these wankers I'd pick a model/actress.
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He called a lot of the shots right IMO. I suspect he will enjoy hanging about and pointing out the Tories errors as he sees them. I suspect if Labour can regroup and get the right leader they may be back in 5 years.
 
Bambino said:
Got to agree. Gordon Brown might go down in history as one of the most unfortunate PM's ever in terms of when he went in and what has happened economically since he has gotten into power.
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I think he's been incredibly lucky insomuch as he's been able to persuade a remarkable number of people that the fallout from his policies is entirely the result of global economic forces.
 
egb_hibs said:
I think he's been incredibly lucky insomuch as he's been able to persuade a remarkable number of people that the fallout from his policies is entirely the result of global economic forces.
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It did have quite a lot to do with American sub-prime mortgages. Was Brown selling them?
 
PS swing in scotland to labour (from SNP) is only 0.1% is that even significant M?
 
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