Beuzelin, Jones and Murphy to follow Collins out of Hibs

[PILTONSTANY]

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/sport/Beuzelin-Jones-and-Murphy-to.3616460.jp

I'm wondering what will actually happen now?

Those players probably will leave so will we still try and sign the players that JC was interested in with maybe TC taking charge until the summer.

If a new manager is appointed before the transfer window closes it doesn't give much time to look at the team and identify possible singings :hmmm

 

[Hibs Soldier]

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/sport/Beuzelin-Jones-and-Murphy-to.3616460.jp

I'm wondering what will actually happen now?

Those players probably will leave so will we still try and sign the players that JC was interested in with maybe TC taking charge until the summer.

If a new manager is appointed before the transfer window closes it doesn't give much time to look at the team and identify possible singings :hmmm

They all go and were screwed mate pure and simple.

 

[scaredyhibby]

This seems to be a very lop-sided piece of journalism - I wonder why it should be so ??!!:hmmm

 

[Decal Joe]

This seems to be a very lop-sided piece of journalism - I wonder why it should be so ??!!:hmmm

Are you suggesting it was JC or a Yam that penned it?

 

[Greenmachine]

Very depressed and concerned about the immediate future..

We are in the extraordinary position where just about everyone of any value or substance at the club wants out of Easter Road. We lost more top players than any other club in the summer and now it looks like three more are about to follow, with no money being re-invested in the team. Any prospective manager will have to consider all of that if/when he takes up the job. I cannot see anything else but a season where we just have to ride it out and try to salvage what we can probably in a mid table position.

Collins unexpected departure at this stage of the season is an absolute nightmare. Trying to get another boss in just now is going to be incredibly difficult given the circumstances at the club just now. Hibs wages policy has been a disaster waiting to happen for the last few years and i fear that disaster may be about to hit us.

Unless there are big changes in the way Hibernian are run with regard to wage levels and footballing operations in general, then we are going to lose more personnel in the playing and coaching side over the next year or so.

Sorry for the pessimism, it's just that at the moment I am so pissed off with Hibs I really don't care who we get as a manager.

 

[Gunnerhibby]

This seems to be a very lop-sided piece of journalism - I wonder why it should be so ??!!:hmmm

Are you suggesting it was JC or a Yam that penned it?

or an ex-Hibby who's good mates wae JC :coffee:

 

[eckmf]

Very depressed and concerned about the immediate future..

We are in the extraordinary position where just about everyone of any value or substance at the club wants out of Easter Road. We lost more top players than any other club in the summer and now it looks like three more are about to follow, with no money being re-invested in the team. Any prospective manager will have to consider all of that if/when he takes up the job. I cannot see anything else but a season where we just have to ride it out and try to salvage what we can probably in a mid table position.

Collins unexpected departure at this stage of the season is aa absolute nightmare. Trying to get another boss in just now is going to be incredibly difficult given the circumstances at the club just now. Hibs wages policy has been a disaster waiting to happen for the last few years and i fear that disaster may be about to hit us.

Unless there are big changes in the way Hibernian are run with regard to wage levels and footballing operations in general, then we are going to lose more personnel in the playing and coaching side over the next year or so.

Sorry for the pessimism, it's just that at the moment I am so pissed off with Hibs I really don't care who we get as a manager.

It does not matter who we get as he will still have to work under the same constraints its true enough the old saying " a horse is only as good as the jockey that rides it " and our club in efect is allowed to be as good as the board allows, IMO we are getting to be in a similar prediciment to that taking place accross the city were those upstairs have to much of an influence on what happens with the team.

 

[Stu]

Sorry for the pessimism, it's just that at the moment I am so pissed off with Hibs I really don't care who we get as a manager.

This is exactly how I feel about Hibs at the moment. The name of the new manager is almost an insignificance compared to the real issues at the club.

 

[SPorter]

Very depressed and concerned about the immediate future..

We are in the extraordinary position where just about everyone of any value or substance at the club wants out of Easter Road. We lost more top players than any other club in the summer and now it looks like three more are about to follow, with no money being re-invested in the team. Any prospective manager will have to consider all of that if/when he takes up the job. I cannot see anything else but a season where we just have to ride it out and try to salvage what we can probably in a mid table position.

Collins unexpected departure at this stage of the season is an absolute nightmare. Trying to get another boss in just now is going to be incredibly difficult given the circumstances at the club just now. Hibs wages policy has been a disaster waiting to happen for the last few years and i fear that disaster may be about to hit us.

Unless there are big changes in the way Hibernian are run with regard to wage levels and footballing operations in general, then we are going to lose more personnel in the playing and coaching side over the next year or so.

Sorry for the pessimism, it's just that at the moment I am so pissed off with Hibs I really don't care who we get as a manager.

Some uncharacteristically depressing posts from you lately GM, but I can totally see where you're coming from. I think we have to face facts. Some of the first team wages sound totally embarrassing for a club like Hibs and it sounds like we can't compete with League 1 wages! I suppose HIbs are not unique in this respect in SPL terms - the St Mirren coach recently admitted he struggles to compete with Conference wages! The main difference being of course that St Mirren haven't brought in 8m in transfer fees in recent times. It is little wonder Collins wasn't able to bring in quality under these restrictions and I wonder how different things will be under any other manager. The way I feel right now I cant get excited about a new coach either and even wonder if we might be as well sticking with Craig meantime so we can have a bit of continuity if nothing else. Recently it's been change, change, change, with little sign of long-term improvement.

 

[wee 162]

Some uncharacteristically depressing posts from you lately GM, but I can totally see where you're coming from. I think we have to face facts. Some of the first team wages sound totally embarrassing for a club like Hibs and it sounds like we can't compete with League 1 wages! I suppose HIbs are not unique in this respect in SPL terms - the St Mirren coach recently admitted he struggles to compete with Conference wages! The main difference being of course that St Mirren haven't brought in 8m in transfer fees in recent times. It is little wonder Collins wasn't able to bring in quality under these restrictions and I wonder how different things will be under any other manager. The way I feel right now I cant get excited about a new coach either and even wonder if we might be as well sticking with Craig meantime so we can have a bit of continuity if nothing else. Recently it's been change, change, change, with little sign of long-term improvement.

Have to say I find the 8m in to be a bit of a red herring. AFAIC that money has now been spent reducing the debt/ finishing off the training complex. Where I do think the problem is, is that if any more players are sold then it appears as though the manager isn't getting that money to invest in the squad either! That's an absolutely ridicilous situation, and I honestly cannot see the reasoning where it would make sense. Money needs to be spent on the park right now if we lose any more players.

Our net debt is down to 3m according to the accounts and it doesn't include the money from the sale of Whittaker. So we're roughly 1m in debt. Fecking leave the new east stand and get a team which is likely to get the current capacity filled.

 

[Sauzee's Teeth]

Have to say I find the 8m in to be a bit of a red herring. AFAIC that money has now been spent reducing the debt/ finishing off the training complex. Where I do think the problem is, is that if any more players are sold then it appears as though the manager isn't getting that money to invest in the squad either! That's an absolutely ridicilous situation, and I honestly cannot see the reasoning where it would make sense. Money needs to be spent on the park right now if we lose any more players.

Our net debt is down to 3m according to the accounts and it doesn't include the money from the sale of Whittaker. So we're roughly 1m in debt. Fecking leave the new east stand and get a team which is likely to get the current capacity filled.

Is Sproule's fee included? If not, then we are about 500K in debt. Not a bad thing. I agree with leaving the East just now and spending on the team.

 

[beefy]

Have to say I find the 8m in to be a bit of a red herring. AFAIC that money has now been spent reducing the debt/ finishing off the training complex. Where I do think the problem is, is that if any more players are sold then it appears as though the manager isn't getting that money to invest in the squad either! That's an absolutely ridicilous situation, and I honestly cannot see the reasoning where it would make sense. Money needs to be spent on the park right now if we lose any more players.

Our net debt is down to 3m according to the accounts and it doesn't include the money from the sale of Whittaker. So we're roughly 1m in debt. Fecking leave the new east stand and get a team which is likely to get the current capacity filled.

Which is covered when Celtc pay up for Browns so many games clause.

 

[Gunnerhibby]

Whatever the exact amount is, whether it be 3M or 1M, its not "immediate debt", as it can only be the mortgage on the last stand.

So why the rush to clear this off?

Is'nt there some long-term pay-off option tagged onto Hibs debts? Pay nothing now. Lump sum pay-off in 10 years???

There are more serious matters pending, in terms of playing staff, and any "spare" funds should be channelled into strengthening the team.

I would agree(reluctantly) that the East Stand may be put on hold whilst team issues are resolved, but I think there may be timescale problems, re; planning.

Anyway, would'nt it just be another mortgage, payable over 20-30 years?

 

[Riordan(01]]

"but, football insiders claim club captain Jones, on 1,700 a week, is actually paid less than half that of his Dundee United counterpart Barry Robson.":sad
That is absoloutely Discraceful imo!
This selling our best players with no serious input into the team is going to keep going on for years to come:doh
I am sick to the back teeth with this carry on to be honest!:sad

 

[SlovSam]

The journalist who wrote this obviously had JC at the other end of the phone as it's almost a ghost written piece.

While it's a racing certainty that Murphy and Jones are off soon it is quite a revelation hidden away in the article that 'Boozy' will be off as well as you always held out some hope that he might have stayed.:sad 'Saint' Rodney won't be happy at JC spilling the beans on this one

However JC certainly blew wide open Hibs short term financial strategy which is that the Hibs board will not be reinvesting the proceeds from the Murphy and Jones sales to any great degree and that the new manager will be expected to get players from an even lower level than Southend's left back.:sad

It's actually very difficult to see any positives from the last week not that I would try anyway.

Hibs lost an inexperienced though a quite decent and definetly a succesful and ambitious manager and the short term to immediate term policy for attracting players is somewhere in the English conferences and 3rd/4th divisions.

It was also an interesting revelation that there is such a strict adherence to budgets so that even the current remaining players are obviously not being adequetely rewarded for their achievements hence the cue for more unrest and low morale in the future.:sad

Certainly JC was right to move on which was of course was a decision taken soley from a selfish career point of view with a wee hint of bottle (or lack of it) thrown in:sad

However without Murphy,Jones and Bozzy and more lesser replacements to arrive then this is a club who regard mid table finishes as an acceptable level of success which historically as always been the case anyway but it doesn't help when the facts are all so brutally spelt out.:sad

 

[Doc Shrink]

The journalist who wrote this obviously had JC at the other end of the phone as it's almost a ghost written piece.

That was my immediate impression too.

Fair enough the financial regime imposed by Rodders is key to the signing of new players, and the retention of existing players. But JC omits to mention.....erm I mean 'the journalist' omits to mention that one of the biggest sickeners for the current squad was seeing a man brought in on a higher wage than anyone else (on JC's sayso) and then unable to command a place in the team. Man management skills are also a bit lacking - that's no secret, but again not mentioned.

Sorry JC but you just dropped a bit in my view.

It seems like Katey isn't the only one to rubbish his past employers through chums in the media. Funny, you were livid when he did it to you, yet you seem to be happy to follow that lead.
:sadwalk:

 

[Sauzee's Teeth]

That was my immediate impression too.

Fair enough the financial regime imposed by Rodders is key to the signing of new players, and the retention of existing players. But JC omits to mention.....erm I mean 'the journalist' omits to mention that one of the biggest sickeners for the current squad was seeing a man brought in on a higher wage than anyone else (on JC's sayso) and then unable to command a place in the team. Man management skills are also a bit lacking - that's no secret, but again not mentioned.

Sorry JC but you just dropped a bit in my view.

It seems like Katey isn't the only one to rubbish his past employers through chums in the media. Funny, you were livid when he did it to you, yet you seem to be happy to follow that lead.
:sadwalk:

Very good point.

 

[Tatie]

who needs or wants a feckin new east stand anyway !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats where all the atmosphere is so if it gets taken doon ER will have
no atmosphere left !!!! so bollocksto an unwanted new stand and spend it on the pitch where it counts cos if no ul have no bugger to fill it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hibs are our team , who we follow through thick n thin but mr petrie u can only milk us for so long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[eckmf]

who needs or wants a feckin new east stand anyway !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats where all the atmosphere is so if it gets taken doon ER will have
no atmosphere left !!!! so bollocksto an unwanted new stand and spend it on the pitch where it counts cos if no ul have no bugger to fill it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hibs are our team , who we follow through thick n thin but mr petrie u can only milk us for so long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Id rather they spent it on new and better players to strengthen team, nothing wrong with the pitch, it has under soil heating and everything

 

[LSHS]

Very depressed and concerned about the immediate future..

We are in the extraordinary position where just about everyone of any value or substance at the club wants out of Easter Road. We lost more top players than any other club in the summer and now it looks like three more are about to follow, with no money being re-invested in the team. Any prospective manager will have to consider all of that if/when he takes up the job. I cannot see anything else but a season where we just have to ride it out and try to salvage what we can probably in a mid table position.

Collins unexpected departure at this stage of the season is an absolute nightmare. Trying to get another boss in just now is going to be incredibly difficult given the circumstances at the club just now. Hibs wages policy has been a disaster waiting to happen for the last few years and i fear that disaster may be about to hit us.

Unless there are big changes in the way Hibernian are run with regard to wage levels and footballing operations in general, then we are going to lose more personnel in the playing and coaching side over the next year or so.

Sorry for the pessimism, it's just that at the moment I am so pissed off with Hibs I really don't care who we get as a manager.[/QUOTE

Sorry to disagree but Collins going was brilliant news. He was a poor manager and probably the worst in the league barrring Romanov. Jones and Murphy can only leave Hibs if we agree to it. A new manager will want to bring in his own players and let's hope they are better than Collins and Craig's choices. Dundee United maybe pay one player more than us but our wage bill is higher than all Scottish clubs bar the old firm and Hearts. Far too much doom and gloom on here.

 

[Vini1875]

Part of our problem is that we have a decent wages to income ratio. It is not stingy in the least it is just prudent and in line with what other scottish clubs are paying.

That said I do think it time to raise it a bit higher so that we can attract players who are better than those on display elsewhere in the league. I think the OF and hearts have players that are not much better than our own and so by a little speculation we could easily close the gap on the OF while leaving the rest behind, but it is a gamble. hearts pay high wages and don't seem to be getting much of a return for their money. I do think better players would raise attendances though and that has to be the gamble for the board could a few decent players and a good manager increase gates by 2000 or so?

The board need to show that ambition for the fans to buy into it, we have so far. I don't think the board are penny pinching, but nor do they have a gamblers spirit.

 

[Green Sleeves]

Very depressed and concerned about the immediate future..

We are in the extraordinary position where just about everyone of any value or substance at the club wants out of Easter Road. We lost more top players than any other club in the summer and now it looks like three more are about to follow, with no money being re-invested in the team. Any prospective manager will have to consider all of that if/when he takes up the job. I cannot see anything else but a season where we just have to ride it out and try to salvage what we can probably in a mid table position.

Collins unexpected departure at this stage of the season is an absolute nightmare. Trying to get another boss in just now is going to be incredibly difficult given the circumstances at the club just now. Hibs wages policy has been a disaster waiting to happen for the last few years and i fear that disaster may be about to hit us.

Unless there are big changes in the way Hibernian are run with regard to wage levels and footballing operations in general, then we are going to lose more personnel in the playing and coaching side over the next year or so.

Sorry for the pessimism, it's just that at the moment I am so pissed off with Hibs I really don't care who we get as a manager.

Good post. Think you're saying what many Hibees are feeling. The future doesnt look so green and white right now. Hopefully it will change one day soon but that's just based on eternal blind optimism rather than anything concrete.

 

[SlovSam]

That was my immediate impression too.

Fair enough the financial regime imposed by Rodders is key to the signing of new players, and the retention of existing players. But JC omits to mention.....erm I mean 'the journalist' omits to mention that one of the biggest sickeners for the current squad was seeing a man brought in on a higher wage than anyone else (on JC's sayso) and then unable to command a place in the team. Man management skills are also a bit lacking - that's no secret, but again not mentioned.

Sorry JC but you just dropped a bit in my view.

It seems like Katey isn't the only one to rubbish his past employers through chums in the media. Funny, you were livid when he did it to you, yet you seem to be happy to follow that lead.
:sadwalk:

JC has a very good relationship with Scotland on Sunday as it was this newspaper that the ran the 2 page spread last year after 'Tony' left about how much JC was ready to return to management and that Hibs would be the ideal job.

It was a very clever way of getting your throwing your hat into the ring without being to pushy and SOS also had quite a lot of pro JC coverage during the players 'revolt' last year as well so I think there is a good chance he (or more likely his pals) was the 'unnamed source' behind some of the quotes.


I can't say that I agree that he 'rubbishes' his past employers as everyone knows Murphy and Jones are leaving and the young players at Hibs get paid smarties and that Hibs won't even try to replace these players on anything like a 'like for like basis'

What he does do is bring it all into the open which is fine by me but if it is true splilling the beans that 'Boozy' has signed a pre contract elsewhere is unneccesary and uncalled for.:sad

Other than that; he could have stiched up 'Saint' Rodney good and proper but doesn't do that other than to highlight the fact that Hibs aren't prepared to attract players from clubs any better than Southend United:sad and that he wasn't prepared to work under these constraints.

That makes him in my eyes someone a little lacking in bottle and completely foccussed on his own self preservation and future career prospects but in the hard world of football I don't see much wrong with that and ultimately he is totally correct to move on.

 

[wee 162]

Sorry to disagree but Collins going was brilliant news. He was a poor manager and probably the worst in the league barrring Romanov.

So let's say we got in Davie Irons, or Gus McPherson. You think they would do a better job than Collins did?

Jones and Murphy can only leave Hibs if we agree to it. A new manager will want to bring in his own players and let's hope they are better than Collins and Craig's choices. Dundee United maybe pay one player more than us but our wage bill is higher than all Scottish clubs bar the old firm and Hearts. Far too much doom and gloom on here.

Is there any chance at all you can back up that statement with facts? Because my impression is that Hibs magical 42% of income going on salaries relates to every salary at the club, including Petries near 4k a week, ticket office staff and then all the way down to the tea lady. You're lucky if we pay 3m a year to our playing staff, which I personally think would mean we are round about middle of the league in terms of how much we pay to our players (behind Aberdeen as well as the three you mentioned, and not too much different from Kilmarnock and Dundee Utd).

And you can be absolutely sure that if you were right and we were paying more than everyone bar the three clubs you mentioned, Petrie would have said so rather than calling the wages we pay "competitive with anyone else in the league".

 

[beefy]

Is there any chance at all you can back up that statement with facts?

Glad you have asked the question dude.
I have noticed that LSHS has stated this on a few threads and while in my mind i it think its rubbish,i would like to see some facts please.
If true then i'll shut my mouth.

I will bet my bottom dollar Aberdeen pay more...

 

[Sauzee's Teeth]

Glad you have asked the question dude.
I have noticed that LSHS has stated this on a few threads and while in my mind i it think its rubbish,i would like to see some facts please.
If true then i'll shut my mouth.

I will bet my bottom dollar Aberdeen pay more...

It wouldn't surprise me if Dundee United did as well...

 

[anchor inn]

iiii

JC has a very good relationship with Scotland on Sunday as it was this newspaper that the ran the 2 page spread last year after 'Tony' left about how much JC was ready to return to management and that Hibs would be the ideal job.

It was a very clever way of getting your throwing your hat into the ring without being to pushy and SOS also had quite a lot of pro JC coverage during the players 'revolt' last year as well so I think there is a good chance he (or more likely his pals) was the 'unnamed source' behind some of the quotes.


I can't say that I agree that he 'rubbishes' his past employers as everyone knows Murphy and Jones are leaving and the young players at Hibs get paid smarties and that Hibs won't even try to replace these players on anything like a 'like for like basis'i know that 1week6 an17 year olds are on 125 per

What he does do is bring it all into the open which is fine by me but if it is true splilling the beans that 'Boozy' has signed a pre contract elsewhere is unneccesary and uncalled for.:sad

Other than that; he could have stiched up 'Saint' Rodney good and proper but doesn't do that other than to highlight the fact that Hibs aren't prepared to attract players from clubs any better than Southend United:sad and that he wasn't prepared to work under these constraints.

That makes him in my eyes someone a little lacking in bottle and completely foccussed on his own self preservation and future career prospects but in the hard world of football I don't see much wrong with that and ultimately he is totally correct to move on.

 

[Chester Perry]

JC has a very good relationship with Scotland on Sunday as it was this newspaper that the ran the 2 page spread last year after 'Tony' left about how much JC was ready to return to management and that Hibs would be the ideal job.

It was a very clever way of getting your throwing your hat into the ring without being to pushy and SOS also had quite a lot of pro JC coverage during the players 'revolt' last year as well so I think there is a good chance he (or more likely his pals) was the 'unnamed source' behind some of the quotes.


I can't say that I agree that he 'rubbishes' his past employers as everyone knows Murphy and Jones are leaving and the young players at Hibs get paid smarties and that Hibs won't even try to replace these players on anything like a 'like for like basis'

What he does do is bring it all into the open which is fine by me but if it is true splilling the beans that 'Boozy' has signed a pre contract elsewhere is unneccesary and uncalled for.:sad

Other than that; he could have stiched up 'Saint' Rodney good and proper but doesn't do that other than to highlight the fact that Hibs aren't prepared to attract players from clubs any better than Southend United:sad and that he wasn't prepared to work under these constraints.

That makes him in my eyes someone a little lacking in bottle and completely foccussed on his own self preservation and future career prospects but in the hard world of football I don't see much wrong with that and ultimately he is totally correct to move on.

Funny how Collins didnt let the wage structure stop him winning the cup. He seems to be blaming everyone else for his failure. We were mince at the end of last season & the same this season,yes we went unbeaten but we were sooo very lucky in some of those games and were playing poorly. He made some very bad signings & alienated all our best players.

As for our youngsters on pennies, i know that one of our youngsters is on 1K a week, and he isnt even a regular.Didnt see JC mentioning that. Like i said-he is trying to make himself look good by passing the buck.

 

[SlovSam]

]Funny how Collins didnt let the wage structure stop him winning the cup. He seems to be blaming everyone else for his failure. [/B]We were mince at the end of last season & the same this season,yes we went unbeaten but we were sooo very lucky in some of those games and were playing poorly. He made some very bad signings & alienated all our best players.

As for our youngsters on pennies, i know that one of our youngsters is on 1K a week, and he isnt even a regular.Didnt see JC mentioning that. Like i said-he is trying to make himself look good by passing the buck.

How can you say with one breath 'he won the cup' and with the next 'his failure' and who is he passing the buck to?? and which of our best players has he alienated?

 

[Chester Perry]

How can you say with one breath 'he won the cup' and with the next 'his failure' and who is he passing the buck to?? and which of our best players has he alienated?

League failure. IMO it was Mowbrays team that won the cup,after (possibly before even)that JC's influence started the decline. Alienated players...17(or however many it was) at the meeting for a start. He is passing the buck on to Rod's penny pinching. Im sure JC knows of the fans dislike of his tightfistedness and he is playing into that,giving the people what they want.

Im starting to think Simon Brown was right.:shock:

 

[bigmanandy]

Funny how Collins didnt let the wage structure stop him winning the cup. He seems to be blaming everyone else for his failure. We were mince at the end of last season & the same this season,yes we went unbeaten but we were sooo very lucky in some of those games and were playing poorly. He made some very bad signings & alienated all our best players.

As for our youngsters on pennies, i know that one of our youngsters is on 1K a week, and he isnt even a regular.Didnt see JC mentioning that. Like i said-he is trying to make himself look good by passing the buck.

It wasn't really him that won the cup for us, it was Tony Mo's team and i still think it was his doing that won us that cup....

JC did is part for us but i think it was probaly the right time for him to go and we cant just have a moan about him as Petrie is just as much to blame.

 

[SlovSam]

League failure. IMO it was Mowbrays team that won the cup,after (possibly before even)that JC's influence started the decline. Alienated players...17(or however many it was) at the meeting for a start. He is passing the buck on to Rod's penny pinching. Im sure JC knows of the fans dislike of his tightfistedness and he is playing into that,giving the people what they want.

Im starting to think Simon Brown was right.:shock:

League failure?

What failure have Hibs had in the league?,they are 5th, 4 points off 3rd place.
How can that possibly be described as 'a failure'. It could perhaps be a little better but 8th/9th 10th place is a failure not 5th.

I'm afraid Mobrays deserves very little credit for the CIS win as his teams couldn't even reach cup finals never mind win any.:sad They continually bottled it at the semi final stage especially the Hearts humiliation but even worse was the Dundee Utd semi final as you could argue that Hearts were a decent team but Dundee Utd were just rank.:sad

As with all cup finals it's the man who picks the team, the man who scouts the oppostion, the man who decides the tactics and the man who motivates the players who deserves all the credit, not the man who left 6 months previously.

JC for example completely blew the Dunfermline semi final which I think was his biggest failure at Hibs but on your logic this was still 'Mowbray's team' which is a bit silly is it not. Or do we switch back to being JC's team as it wouldn't suit your argument.

I think you pick and choose your time frames rather than look at the full period of any managers employment and I'm sure the next manager will suffer the same fate,:sad

Supporters like yourself who regard 5th in the league as 'a failure' and who disregard winning trophy's:sad sum up in a nutshell the problems facing any new manager who I think is going to be 'hounded' after 4/6 months as the expectation level and desperate need for success will swamp any rational analysis and thought process.

 

[wee 162]

League failure. IMO it was Mowbrays team that won the cup,after (possibly before even)that JC's influence started the decline. Alienated players...17(or however many it was) at the meeting for a start. He is passing the buck on to Rod's penny pinching. Im sure JC knows of the fans dislike of his tightfistedness and he is playing into that,giving the people what they want.

Im starting to think Simon Brown was right.:shock:

I keep seeing this getting said. Mowbray had a significantly better squad than the one Collins had and won fuck all. In fact in pretty much every game that Mowbray had us at Hampden the team froze. So even if it was Mowbray who built the team, it was certainly Collins who actually got them to play to their potential in a cup final. The best player on the park that day in March was Lewis Stevenson who I think had one sub appearance before Collins came in and gave him a chance. How many players did Mowbray actually bring through from the youths? Fletcher? Any more? Riordan, O'Connor, Whittaker, and Scott Brown were fixtures under Williamson, and Thomson had started playing regularly until he picked up his injury.

In other words Mowbray came in and had the basis of a decent side in place who were young and had already been playing regularly. Collins came in and got a side who still had a few of the players who had been a success, except virtually all of them were looking for a move, and there were no replacements from the youth ranks who'd been blooded other than Fletcher. Collins has left and the person who replaces him has Stevenson, McCann, McCormack, Chisholm, McNeil, Gray, Campbell, and Lynch all in the squad with a wee bit of experience behind them. Want to have a wee shudder about exactly how the squad would look without those players? And it's because they had a manager prepared to play them rather than mouth platitudes about doing so. Tony Mowbrays war cry when he was in charge of Hibs was "we're a young team" as if that excused the bad performances he was in charge for (and before we put on the rosy hindsight glasses, there were plenty of bad performances under Mowbray). I can't remember Collins coming out with that particular excuse often.

Where Mowbray was succesful was in picking up good talent, but he could take more chances with players because he had the basis of a good side already. Collins could not afford to go for the buy three players one will be decent, one will be shite, and one will be great which Mowbray did. He signed players to play up front, in the centre of the park, and in goals. Those positions are absolutely crucial to any side and bad signings there can kill a team. After all, look at the signings Mowbray made with the two keepers he signed who were responsible for undermining many good performances...

 

[wee 162]

League failure?

What failure have Hibs had in the league?,they are 5th, 4 points off 3rd place.
How can that possibly be described as 'a failure'. It could perhaps be a little better but 8th/9th 10th place is a failure not 5th.

I'm afraid Mobrays deserves very little credit for the CIS win as his teams couldn't even reach cup finals never mind win any.:sad They continually bottled it at the semi final stage especially the Hearts humiliation but even worse was the Dundee Utd semi final as you could argue that Hearts were a decent team but Dundee Utd were just rank.:sad

As with all cup finals it's the man who picks the team, the man who scouts the oppostion, the man who decides the tactics and the man who motivates the players who deserves all the credit, not the man who left 6 months previously.

JC for example completely blew the Dunfermline semi final which I think was his biggest failure at Hibs but on your logic this was still 'Mowbray's team' which is a bit silly is it not. Or do we switch back to being JC's team as it wouldn't suit your argument.

I think you pick and choose your time frames rather than look at the full period of any managers employment and I'm sure the next manager will suffer the same fate,:sad

Supporters like yourself who regard 5th in the league as 'a failure' and who disregard winning trophy's:sad sum up in a nutshell the problems facing any new manager who I think is going to be 'hounded' after 4/6 months as the expectation level and desperate need for success will swamp any rational analysis and thought process.

Unusually enough, I'm pretty much in agreement with you here. The only side we've had which has qualified for Europe recently was in Mowbrays first season. Was that Williamsons team? After all the most crucial part of that side was the contributions of Riordan and O'Connor...

 

[LSHS]

So let's say we got in Davie Irons, or Gus McPherson. You think they would do a better job than Collins did?


Is there any chance at all you can back up that statement with facts? Because my impression is that Hibs magical 42% of income going on salaries relates to every salary at the club, including Petries near 4k a week, ticket office staff and then all the way down to the tea lady. You're lucky if we pay 3m a year to our playing staff, which I personally think would mean we are round about middle of the league in terms of how much we pay to our players (behind Aberdeen as well as the three you mentioned, and not too much different from Kilmarnock and Dundee Utd).

And you can be absolutely sure that if you were right and we were paying more than everyone bar the three clubs you mentioned, Petrie would have said so rather than calling the wages we pay "competitive with anyone else in the league".

yes

 

[LSHS]

Glad you have asked the question dude.
I have noticed that LSHS has stated this on a few threads and while in my mind i it think its rubbish,i would like to see some facts please.
If true then i'll shut my mouth.

I will bet my bottom dollar Aberdeen pay more...

Aberdeen did pay a wee bit more last year but because of their financial position have had to cut costs. We are currently 4th.

 

[Forzahibs]

Aberdeen did pay a wee bit more last year but because of their financial position have had to cut costs. We are currently 4th.

Their players took pay cuts

 

[liam_ya_bas]

well whatever happens.. we will have comfort in knowing the jambo's are more worse of than us.

 

[Sauzee's Teeth]

well whatever happens.. we will have comfort in knowing the jambo's are more worse of than us.

Amen to that

 

[LSHS]

Their players took pay cuts

Who said they took pay cuts.
They trimmed their squad and sold their highest paid player.
Hibs increased their budget for the second year running.
The main point here is that some supporters think there are other Scottish clubs out there paying much more than us which is not true. The old firm and Hearts excepted.
The only way to find out is wait on each teams accounts coming out at a later date.