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Sancho Panza

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Dear God. Just seen the trailer for the BBC's Hogmanay offerings. Looks horrific. Does anyone actually watch this shite? Utter cringe as the young people say. 😬
 
JFP said:
It aw turned to shite when the stopped only an excuse
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That was my ‘excuse’ to switch the telly off. This year’s only saving grace is the prospect of watching Amy Irons. A massive visual improvement on Jackie Bird
 
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greencol said:
Really?
How often can you watch a piss take of Frank McAvennie?
Same shit every year.
I'll bet Rikki Fulton makes an appearance. A clip of Francie and fuc&in Josie ( by ra way!)
Jimmy Logan.
Andy bloody Stewart.
Aaarrrggghhhh!
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Pump 2 ?

I thought it was great 😂
 
You should see the French equivalents. Atrocious is far too good a word.

The equivalent of ITV is showing 7hrs solid of outtakes (including loads of shite found on the Internet) starting at 9.00pm. While the equivalent of BBC1 is showing 3 consecutive episodes (repeats) of Vera - dubbed of course!
 
It’s really awful. I don’t much care for Hogmanay to begin with and the shortbread stuff on the telly is the icing on the cake.
 
egb_hibs said:
It’s really awful. I don’t much care for Hogmanay to begin with and the shortbread stuff on the telly is the icing on the cake.
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Mate, every time I see Eddie Reader I remember you going off on one about her. Possibly something about bringing you out in hives. 😂
 
Sancho Panza said:
Mate, every time I see Eddie Reader I remember you going off on one about her. Possibly something about bringing you out in hives. 😂
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Yes the bold Eddie does my nut in. It’s something about the way she over enunciates ‘Scots’ in a way that I doubt any natural speaker would recognise. The whole thing is so ‘Glasgow west end’ and ooh the banter.

The thing is she’s not of that background at all. But then nor is Lord William of Connolly and while I love him, he’s the biggest luvvie going.
 
egb_hibs said:
Yes the bold Eddie does my nut in. It’s something about the way she over enunciates ‘Scots’ in a way that I doubt any natural speaker would recognise. The whole thing is so ‘Glasgow west end’ and ooh the banter.

The thing is she’s not of that background at all. But then nor is Lord William of Connolly and while I love him, he’s the biggest luvvie going.
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Exactly. I'm not quite sure how to express it succinctly but she epitomises that whole heuchter teuchter, Brigadoon, shortbread tin, Rabbie Burns filtered through the BBC Weedgie lens that does my nut in. Whae's like us?
Whae'd wanna be. 🤢
 
Glad to hear it's not Jackie Bird anymore but no doubt it'll be the usual types: Ricky Ross, KT Tunstall, Susan Calman, Ali Bain etc.

Can't help thinking we should be able to do better than just resorting to the usual crowd and tedious format. I don't know anyone who thinks it's good.
 
Ali Bain's a tosser. I've had the bad luck to have been in his company a few times. I don't know how Phil puts up with him.
 
Peevemor said:
Ali Bain's a tosser. I've had the bad luck to have been in his company a few times. I don't know how Phil puts up with him.
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Used to see his daughters out a lot in the house and techno clubs in edinburgh late 90s and 2000s they were sound.
Phil C an alumni of porty high school I think
 
tricky said:
Used to see his daughters out a lot in the house and techno clubs in edinburgh late 90s and 2000s they were sound.
Phil C an alumni of porty high school I think
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Correct (his brother John too I think, RIP) - Phil's a very talented & funny man.

Ali Bain used to live in the Stockbridge Colonies (maybe still does). I always wondered if they'd rename his street Bain Alley...
 
Peevemor said:
Correct - a very talented & funny man.

Ali Bain used to live in the Stockbridge Colonies (maybe still does). I always wondered if they'd rename his street Bain Alley...
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Sure Phil used to send postcards from his travels to the very odd head of music at porty my dempster who hated any form of Scottish / traditional music
 
Went out a couple of times with one of the highland dancers on the STV Hogmanay show back in the 70s.

SHE was tidy before any of you start.
 
tricky said:
Sure Phil used to send postcards from his travels to the very odd head of music at porty my dempster who hated any form of Scottish / traditional music
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I’m slightly ashamed to admit it, but I think the whole Scottish scene of ceilidhs, burns and the rest is dire. I don’t pretend to be an expert on either but from what I have heard, the difference in Scottish and Irish folk music is shame making. It beggars belief what a Scottish pogues would have sounded like.
 
I've got a fridge full of beer., a couple of bottles of whisky and Restless Natives on my Sky Box , with that and the Iplayer I'm sure I'll be able to avoid " The Bells " and the other crap that was recorded in September
 
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dsc67 said:
Didn't Phil have some pretty serious health issues a few of years ago ?
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"I LOST my father, Jack, to cancer when he was in his sixties and my brother, Johnny, died of a heart attack in 2003 when he was 46. I had had two heart attacks, one in 1997 and one in 1998, and we pretty much knew what he had was genetic but he was living in America at the time and as health care is so expensive there he did not really pay any attention to the warnings he was given. It suddenly just nailed him one day without warning. That was a big loss.

After my own heart attacks I had tried to change everything including my diet and my alcohol intake but the “me” in me would not let me. I did manage to stop smoking although I stopped 11 days before my first heart attack when I was 37. That was a big thing for me.

When my brother died, I again tried to evaluate my life but through grief I did all the things that were wrong for me.

I lost my mum, Mary, in 2017 and that made me evaluate my life again but I have found it very hard to change. I am what I am and what I am kind of makes me but I did manage to stop drinking for five months solid. I then fell off the wagon but I’m back on it and I’ve lost two and a half stone so I’m feeling good. And these losses have brought me and my sister, Laura, closer together. We take care of each other.

It has also made me really appreciate those I’ve lost, although it’s not until you lose something that you appreciate the true value of it."

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dsc67 said:
I've got a fridge full of beer., a couple of bottles of whisky and Restless Natives on my Sky, with that and the Iplayer I'm sure I'll be able to avoid " The Bells " and the other crap that was recorded in September
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Love Restless Natives. The chase scene through Edinburgh city centre was filmed the day of a Hibs-Aberdeen game and you can see fans with scarves running behind their motorbike up Frederick Street (or Hannover Street, cannae remember).
 
egb_hibs said:
I’m slightly ashamed to admit it, but I think the whole Scottish scene of ceilidhs, burns and the rest is dire. I don’t pretend to be an expert on either but from what I have heard, the difference in Scottish and Irish folk music is shame making. It beggars belief what a Scottish pogues would have sounded like.
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Peat and Diesel the closest I know of. Not in terms of musical talent but I quite like their vibe / humour / energy.
 
egb_hibs said:
I’m slightly ashamed to admit it, but I think the whole Scottish scene of ceilidhs, burns and the rest is dire. I don’t pretend to be an expert on either but from what I have heard, the difference in Scottish and Irish folk music is shame making. It beggars belief what a Scottish pogues would have sounded like.
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You're probably too young to remember the White Heather Club.
There was a real 'shortbread tin' job.
Bloody awful.
 
greencol said:
You're probably too young to remember the White Heather Club.
There was a real 'shortbread tin' job.
Bloody awful.
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In 1988 I did about 50 nights playing pipes in the Scottish show at Prestonfield House. It was the usual take yer tartan tablets and stick a sprig of heather up yer arse fucking nonsense.

It was atrocious (despite getting to pass time with the dancers) and I spent my time drinking shite pints (Alloas IIRC) and slagging off the show.

I didn't get asked back the following year. Funny that. 🤔

I also filled in 2 or 3 times for a mate in a show with Andy Stewart (at the Fox Covert IIRC).

Equally as shite.

All good money at the time though.
 
Peevemor said:
In 1988 I did about 50 nights playing pipes in the Scottish show at Prestonfield House. It was the usual take yer tartan tablets and stick a sprig of heather up yer arse fucking nonsense.

It was atrocious (despite getting to pass time with the dancers) and I spent my time drinking shite pints (Alloas IIRC) and slagging off the show.

I didn't get asked back the following year. Funny that. 🤔

I also filled in 2 or 3 times for a mate in a show with Andy Stewart (at the Fox Covert IIRC).

Equally as shite.

All good money at the time though.
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At Prestonfield one night I was just about to go on stage and went to put on my ridiculous hairy hat - as I grabbed it I got stung and my middle finger swelled to about double it's normal size - I played like a cnut!

Only time I've had a real bee in my bonnet - true story.
 
Peevemor said:
In 1988 I did about 50 nights playing pipes in the Scottish show at Prestonfield House. It was the usual take yer tartan tablets and stick a sprig of heather up yer arse fucking nonsense.

It was atrocious (despite getting to pass time with the dancers) and I spent my time drinking shite pints (Alloas IIRC) and slagging off the show.

I didn't get asked back the following year. Funny that. 🤔

I also filled in 2 or 3 times for a mate in a show with Andy Stewart (at the Fox Covert IIRC).

Equally as shite.

All good money at the time though.
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Amazing how greenbacks numb the pain of playing shite gigs.
 
So I guess the question is what would we rather have? I think the Edinburgh bells and fireworks are a great centrepiece so I would keep that. But Edinburgh isn't Scotland. So I would like to see a live connection to places around the country. It doesn't need to be flash, just a connection with communities - a pub or a local event.

I think people do want more traditional music. The issue for me is how it's presented. It just seems so samey and clichéd.

I also think we want some laughs - but the comedy offerings have got really tired. I'd maybe go with some stand ups doing rapid fire stuff in the run up to the bells. I also would have engagement with the Scottish diaspora to celebrate what Scots do around the world.

I think we have lost something about a Scottish new year. It's not actually about a street party for drunken antipodeans. It should be a time for reflection on the year past and looking forward with optimism. I don't mean a news review of the year, but something a bit more spiritual in the broadest sense.

At the bells I think about good and bad things of the auld year, including those we have lost. But I also think of the year to come - the adventures, weddings, new babies and all that might happen. How do you capture that for a TV show. Maybe a more serious reflection with people who featured in the past year and cameras in maternity hospitals to catch the first new year baby! Well maybe not!

But rather than moan, what would you like to see?
 
Archie said:
So I guess the question is what would we rather have? I think the Edinburgh bells and fireworks are a great centrepiece so I would keep that. But Edinburgh isn't Scotland. So I would like to see a live connection to places around the country. It doesn't need to be flash, just a connection with communities - a pub or a local event.

I think people do want more traditional music. The issue for me is how it's presented. It just seems so samey and clichéd.

I also think we want some laughs - but the comedy offerings have got really tired. I'd maybe go with some stand ups doing rapid fire stuff in the run up to the bells. I also would have engagement with the Scottish diaspora to celebrate what Scots do around the world.

I think we have lost something about a Scottish new year. It's not actually about a street party for drunken antipodeans. It should be a time for reflection on the year past and looking forward with optimism. I don't mean a news review of the year, but something a bit more spiritual in the broadest sense.

At the bells I think about good and bad things of the auld year, including those we have lost. But I also think of the year to come - the adventures, weddings, new babies and all that might happen. How do you capture that for a TV show. Maybe a more serious reflection with people who featured in the past year and cameras in maternity hospitals to catch the first new year baby! Well maybe not!

But rather than moan, what would you like to see?
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Some fair points here. I think you are probably right that some tradition is appropriate and it’s not the BBC’s fault that Scottish traditional music and dancing are a bit naff, at least imo. However, they could do with making it less posh weegie.

The comedy thing is more something they are responsible for. BBC comedy is terrible generally but BBC Scotland is a whole different level.

Anyway, how about a year in review with some humour, even if we have to import some comedians to provide it. Then some coverage of bands at Princes St Gardens, then a bit of traditional music from somewhere it’s actually authentic leading up to the bells; some teuchter town hall perhaps. The fireworks from Edinburgh and it’s a wrap.

Things that should not be involved: BBC Scotland comedy unit, as above; poetry whether Burns, or even worse, something modern; weegieness beyond what is proportionate to the population.

And put a good movie on BBC2 as an alternative.
 
As so much of scottish TV, drama, news, comedy, music, etc is Glasgow dominated...I think it's great that Edinburgh has the street party at New Year for the TV stations to centre on, as well as the festival in August. I'm just glad Only an excuse has finally died...yet another tired old Glasgow orientated wheeze. Get the Proclaimers on to bring in the New Year.
 
I think that technology has made live outside broadcasting far simpler and cheaper than it used to be.

Why not do a round of the many great events around the country including a bit of modern music, comedy , teuch, etc.?

Something for everyone without being stuck to the same old faces.
 
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