As if this day couldn't get any worse (EU election results)

[Nex]

UKIP have stolen a Scottish European seat as a result of the total collapse of the Lib Dems and even then only just edging out the Greens and the SNP for that last seat.

The why's will ring out, UKIP coverage from the English press being shown in Scotland, UKIP being set up as this years "protest vote", ex-BNP voters will have jumped over to UKIP...etc...etc...

The UK results still show a massive difference between Scotland and the rest of the UK politically and Scots have shown in the past to be very tactical in their voting when it comes to different elections be they Scottish, London, European or Local so I doubt very much if they would see similar, if any, gains in any other elections.

However what they are now is legitimate in Scotland and we have a UKIP Scottish MEP of such class that he called Alex Salmond's land reform plans akin to Robert Mugabe, and Salmond's visit to a mosque "sectarian".

:sad

 

[egb_hibs]

No they don't. The snp gains from the same discontent that ukip gains from in England. If ukip have won (wtf do you mean stolen?) one sixth of Scottish seats and half the snps own total, it even more remarkable in that light.

The bigger picture is far more worrying and had predicted in the cowshed for ten years. The chickens are coming home for the PC project across Europe.

 

[Nex]

(wtf do you mean stolen?)

For the last few months Scotland has had nothing but wall to wall UKIP being pumped out by the British media. Even despite this they only edged out the SNP and Greens by a couple of percent.

In the Greens case just 0.6% of the Scottish population more would have been needed for them to have taken the seat, and if the Greens had had wall to wall media coverage I think they would have had a good chance of getting that. The same for the SNP.


As for this being anything to do with "PC", or indeed as David Torrance put it in his Scotsman article "another explanation, that as suggested by several public attitudes surveys the views of Scots when it comes to Europe, immigration et al are not that different from those south of the Border."

I seriously doubt this. The 150,000 people who have voted for UKIP will have mostly done so because UKIP are the only openly anti-EU party, not be because they support UKIPs views on immigration and the likes. If they have based it on that then it is again down to the situation in England being constantly reported as if it affects the whole of the UK, or the few who are just flat out racist bastards (I wonder how much of the BNPs almost 2% drop switched over to UKIP).

By the census Scotland is 84% White Scottish, 92% White British and Irish, add in a few more percent for Black, Asian and Mixed British and Irish and Scotland has very few immigrants.

The UKIP claims of a tidal wave of immigration is rediculous even down south, but to apply that to Scotland is frankly absurd.

If the Scottish media was full of those facts and that Scotlands population has only just recovered from the 200,000 person drop caused by Thatcher, that our population growth lags way behind those of our neighbours and that we need more people here I am again rather sure things would be different.

If as you say the chickens are indeed coming home, why do the often laughed at Greens and the all but dead Lib Dems together still have almost double the support of these heralds of the evils of PC Europe?

 

[egb_hibs]

Gerrofit Nex; the establishment has had its guns trained on ukip for weeks, constantly trying to knock them put. When Farage visited here he was silenced by a gang of fascist students intent on preserving mater and pater's establishment.

The snp may get hard done by, by labours pet media ministry, but not in favour of ukip!

Sorry dude, ukip have profiled as having the mist working class electorate, and adding a Scottish seat to their stroll all over English labour heartlands is a remarkable testament to the reach of their message. When I hear super nats like yourself sound exactly like the Westminster mafia on this subject, it's depressingly suggestive of an Indy Scotland under the same liberal elitism and with the same democratic deficit.

My pc comments are not related to events in the UK - in other news, the far left/right have broken through all over Europe. Sadly the bigger picture is moving inexorably in one direction.

 

[timberfox]

Salmond should be just as concerned that 2 labour and 1 Tory was elected , the fact that a well done UKIP was elected should tell him that we all don't swallow his desire to be part of the EU , and just the fact that he wants 500,000 immigrants a year to come to Scotland fills me with dread , if he makes sure they have jobs first and by that i don't mean selling the Big Issue then fair enough its more tax income , but if like the majority in UK they become a drain on the social system is so fecking frightening , so by his thoughts taking their penchant for reproduction in a few years our Scottish identity will almost be gone , so that Salmond can pretend to play the big man at Brussels , If they don't listen to the UK with a population of 64 million what chance has he got with a population of 5 million , sorry but for that frightening thought alone i and many i know put their cross proudly on Ukip

 

[Dub]

For the last few months Scotland has had nothing but wall to wall UKIP being pumped out by the British media. Even despite this they only edged out the SNP and Greens by a couple of percent.

In the Greens case just 0.6% of the Scottish population more would have been needed for them to have taken the seat, and if the Greens had had wall to wall media coverage I think they would have had a good chance of getting that. The same for the SNP.


As for this being anything to do with "PC", or indeed as David Torrance put it in his Scotsman article "another explanation, that as suggested by several public attitudes surveys the views of Scots when it comes to Europe, immigration et al are not that different from those south of the Border."

I seriously doubt this. The 150,000 people who have voted for UKIP will have mostly done so because UKIP are the only openly anti-EU party, not be because they support UKIPs views on immigration and the likes. If they have based it on that then it is again down to the situation in England being constantly reported as if it affects the whole of the UK, or the few who are just flat out racist bastards (I wonder how much of the BNPs almost 2% drop switched over to UKIP).

By the census Scotland is 84% White Scottish, 92% White British and Irish, add in a few more percent for Black, Asian and Mixed British and Irish and Scotland has very few immigrants.

The UKIP claims of a tidal wave of immigration is rediculous even down south, but to apply that to Scotland is frankly absurd.

If the Scottish media was full of those facts and that Scotlands population has only just recovered from the 200,000 person drop caused by Thatcher, that our population growth lags way behind those of our neighbours and that we need more people here I am again rather sure things would be different.

If as you say the chickens are indeed coming home, why do the often laughed at Greens and the all but dead Lib Dems together still have almost double the support of these heralds of the evils of PC Europe?

I know two people who voted UKIP "for a laugh" whatever the fukk that is supposed to mean. Statistically therefore, 100% of the people that I know who voted UKIP did so for no other reason than they were being arseholes [and one of them is an extremely well educated man and not stupid by any stretch of the imagination].

 

[Nex]

For the last seat the SNP and Greens basically knocked each other out with a perfect 50/50 share of votes between them. If either one of them had been 60/40 between them then UKIP would not have taken that seat.

At the end of the day though the main reason for UKIP taking that seat is simply the death of the Lib Dems.

Why should Salmond be concerned that 2 labour and 1 Tory was elected, at a time when every election elsewhere sees the leading party lose votes, just look at the losses suffered by the Tories and Lib Dems down south, the SNP have held their vote.

As for "the rise of UKIP" if you look at 2009 UKIP took 5.2% of the vote in the European election, then the very next year at the general election took just 0.7% of the vote. If they were to achieve the same level of increase next year they would still only have 1.4% in the general election, even if their share of the vote was tripled or even quadrupled they would be hard pushed to beat the Lib Dems.

It is very clear that while some Scots are, for whatever reason, willing to vote UKIP in European Elections, they do not want them anywhere near Westminster, Holyrood or Local seats.

Another very interesting thing to see would be how much coverage UKIP (or whatever they would be renamed as) would get should Scotland be Independent. A UKIP with no Farage to lead them. I have little doubts that in the run up to the first elections in an Independent Scotland the issue of EU membership would certainly play a part but it would not be based on "the tidalwave of immigrants" tagline.

I know two people who voted UKIP "for a laugh" whatever the fukk that is supposed to mean. Statistically therefore, 100% of the people that I know who voted UKIP did so for no other reason than they were being arseholes [and one of them is an extremely well educated man and not stupid by any stretch of the imagination].

Dub that doesn't surprise me to hear, UKIP were set up very much as this years "protest vote", vote them to scare all the other parties. Yours is certainly not the only example of this I've come across.

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Where does David Coburn live? | Edinburgh Eye
Interesting, wonder if this will get picked up by the BBC or if they will be too busy tearing into the SNP and Salmond to give it a look in.

 

[Smurf]

For the last few months Scotland has had nothing but wall to wall UKIP being pumped out by the British media. Even despite this they only edged out the SNP and Greens by a couple of percent.

In the Greens case just 0.6% of the Scottish population more would have been needed for them to have taken the seat, and if the Greens had had wall to wall media coverage I think they would have had a good chance of getting that. The same for the SNP.


As for this being anything to do with "PC", or indeed as David Torrance put it in his Scotsman article "another explanation, that as suggested by several public attitudes surveys the views of Scots when it comes to Europe, immigration et al are not that different from those south of the Border."

I seriously doubt this. The 150,000 people who have voted for UKIP will have mostly done so because UKIP are the only openly anti-EU party, not be because they support UKIPs views on immigration and the likes. If they have based it on that then it is again down to the situation in England being constantly reported as if it affects the whole of the UK, or the few who are just flat out racist $#@!s (I wonder how much of the BNPs almost 2% drop switched over to UKIP).

By the census Scotland is 84% White Scottish, 92% White British and Irish, add in a few more percent for Black, Asian and Mixed British and Irish and Scotland has very few immigrants.

The UKIP claims of a tidal wave of immigration is rediculous even down south, but to apply that to Scotland is frankly absurd.

If the Scottish media was full of those facts and that Scotlands population has only just recovered from the 200,000 person drop caused by Thatcher, that our population growth lags way behind those of our neighbours and that we need more people here I am again rather sure things would be different.

If as you say the chickens are indeed coming home, why do the often laughed at Greens and the all but dead Lib Dems together still have almost double the support of these heralds of the evils of PC Europe?

That first paragraph has fair given me a wee chuckle. The worrying thing is its what Salmond said on telly last night....

 

[Nex]

That first paragraph has fair given me a wee chuckle. The worrying thing is its what Salmond said on telly last night....

I can assure you Smurf my opinions of the BBC and many of the other pillars of the Scottish mainstream media are far poorer and much harsher than anything Salmond has said.

 

[SKII]

There seems to be fairly distinct local voting patterns contributing to the scattergun overall picture.

UKIP polled only about 7-8 percent of the vote in Edinburgh but managed to get nearly 14 percent of the vote in places like Moray. However, the Tories polled better in Edinburgh than they did in many places in Scotland. And their vote is being reported as a 25 year high. Greens did best in Edinburgh - well above the national average Green vote.

Tories and UKIP combined actually took a 3rd of the vote in Scotland...actually a little more than Labour and only a little less than the SNP.

So many ways to look at the stats and so many ways that they are all claiming victories*
























*Except the Lib Dems.

 

[Kurt]

There seems to be fairly distinct local voting patterns contributing to the scattergun overall picture.

UKIP polled only about 7-8 percent of the vote in Edinburgh but managed to get nearly 14 percent of the vote in places like Moray. However, the Tories polled better in Edinburgh than they did in many places in Scotland. And their vote is being reported as a 25 year high. Greens did best in Edinburgh - well above the national average Green vote.

Tories and UKIP combined actually took a 3rd of the vote in Scotland...actually a little more than Labour and only a little less than the SNP.

So many ways to look at the stats and so many ways that they are all claiming victories*
























*Except the Lib Dems.

Wow. The latent Scottish conservative vote awakens. about time. Makes a change from several iterations of socialism every time.

 

[Smurf]

Wow. The latent Scottish conservative vote awakens.

about time. Makes a change from several iterations of socialism every time.

The nonsense we get from the Yes campaign of voting Yes to never again have Tories is just that. Nonsense.

 

[emerald green]

The nonsense we get from the Yes campaign of voting Yes to never again have Tories is just that. Nonsense.

yes, your right, fuck us having self determination. The SNP are full of nonsense about never having Tories.... don't you think they are making the point that when Scotland has self determination her people will NEVER AGAIN be ruled over by a government they didn't vote for?

You're such an obtuse prick about Independence !

...aye, rool britannia!

 

[egb_hibs]

yes, your right, $#@! us having self determination. The SNP are full of nonsense about never having Tories.... don't you think they are making the point that when Scotland has self determination her people will NEVER AGAIN be ruled over by a government they didn't vote for?

You're such an obtuse prick about Independence !

...aye, rool britannia!

Well we will unless we withdraw from the eu - or (my preference) the eu's scope is rolled back

 

[emerald green]

Well we will unless we withdraw from the eu - or (my preference) the eu's scope is rolled back

which parts of the EU scope would you like to see rolled back ?

 

[Nex]

I assume that David Coburn will be stepping down from his candidate position in Bexleyheath, London, now he is "a "representative" of Scotland.

UKIP Bexley - Ready for the 2014 local elections!

 

[egb_hibs]

which parts of the EU scope would you like to see rolled back ?

Legislative powers

 

[emerald green]

Legislative powers

ah..

do you feel the EU encroaches on individual nations ability to effectively legislate? or that there is too much legislation coming from brussels?

If there is too much legislation, what is the percentage, yearly of EU laws affecting UK?.... and what would be an acceptable percentage?

Isn't a vast amount of EU law produced by Brussells, due to protecting the Sovereign States economically?

 

[egb_hibs]

ah..

do you feel the EU encroaches on individual nations ability to effectively legislate? or that there is too much legislation coming from brussels?

If there is too much legislation, what is the percentage, yearly of EU laws affecting UK?.... and what would be an acceptable percentage?

Isn't a vast amount of EU law produced by Brussells, due to protecting the Sovereign States economically?

the latter of your first two questions is the concern. I believe eu lawmaking if it has a role should be to find standardisation amongst laws created by democratically elected administrations within member countries. The same goes for the echr. If that is not achievable then junk the while endeavour and return to being a trading union - which is the biggest single role in the overarching mission to secure peace within Europe; or at least that ought to be the mission. Today it looks suspiciously like a roadmap to creating a European government