Are the greens bad or just mad?

[egb_hibs]

A few people on here are inclined towards the greens due to frustrations with the SNP. I'd encourage potential voters to google the adventures of the greens in Brighton. Foisted on local people by incoming rich luvvies, the party seems to occupy itself by making life miserable for the local working class.

But now it has really excelled itself, in predictably batshit fashion. Apparently the greens have decided that it's a good idea to instil gender confusion in toddlers who are just beginning to to really develop an idea of themselves as an independent being the world.

I think this kind of thing is downright wicked and a textbook example of the war on reason and reality that is prospering under politically correct mullahs. I don't like characterising positions as either mad or bad as it's the way that bams like these have always marginalised people; however sometimes there seems no other explanation that is sufficient.

If these people were ever in charge civilisation would die. They don't deserve support due to their opportunistic support for Indy - which in their case is likely to be motivated by a desire to destroy anything that is, rather than an active interest in a free and prosperous Scotland.

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/...r-olds-what-gender-if-any-they-identify-with/

This is not simply academic either - adolescent referrals for transgenderism have doubled since the recent onslaught on the issue. The shamans of PC will claim this is due to people being more able to speak up, but I have heard from people who work in education that the confused teenagers you get in every generation are now apt to concluded they are transgender. Ultimately being a goth had far less potential for long term ramifications.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36010664

It's bizarre how we've let the resentments of upper class neurotics who want to destroy anything different to them become such an influence in society. People with genuine gender identity issues need support - addling children and possibility instilling personality crises hardly seems the way to do it.

 

[Jack]

I think the greens have taken on the role of the libs then the libdems.

They sound perfectly reasonable and plausible. In fact many of their plans are full of common sense.

Then out of the blue they come out with some absolute nonsense and you just think what the fuck.

You then see them with a wee bit power at local, or on the case of libdems at national levels and the bubble bursts. The bottom line green stuff becomes peripheral and the absolute nonsense becomes the norm. In the end the libdems just sold their soul.

Personally I think green issues should be peripheral to all policy. Each substantive policy should be considered on its affect on the greenness of our planet. For that reason a very small number of greens in politics is good, policing the other parties and the reason they should be kept the fuck away from effective power at any level.

 

[Smurf]

A few people on here are inclined towards the greens due to frustrations with the SNP. I'd encourage potential voters to google the adventures of the greens in Brighton. Foisted on local people by incoming rich luvvies, the party seems to occupy itself by making life miserable for the local working class.

But now it has really excelled itself, in predictably bat$#@! fashion. Apparently the greens have decided that it's a good idea to instil gender confusion in toddlers who are just beginning to to really develop an idea of themselves as an independent being the world.

I think this kind of thing is downright wicked and a textbook example of the war on reason and reality that is prospering under politically correct mullahs. I don't like characterising positions as either mad or bad as it's the way that bams like these have always marginalised people; however sometimes there seems no other explanation that is sufficient.

If these people were ever in charge civilisation would die. They don't deserve support due to their opportunistic support for Indy - which in their case is likely to be motivated by a desire to destroy anything that is, rather than an active interest in a free and prosperous Scotland.

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/...r-olds-what-gender-if-any-they-identify-with/

This is not simply academic either - adolescent referrals for transgenderism have doubled since the recent onslaught on the issue. The shamans of PC will claim this is due to people being more able to speak up, but I have heard from people who work in education that the confused teenagers you get in every generation are now apt to concluded they are transgender. Ultimately being a goth had far less potential for long term ramifications.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36010664

It's bizarre how we've let the resentments of upper class neurotics who want to destroy anything different to them become such an influence in society. People with genuine gender identity issues need support - addling children and possibility instilling personality crises hardly seems the way to do it.

Watched this nonsense on channel4 news last night. I had contemplated giving them my second vote in my postal vote I've sent off today but they really are bonkers at times so they've got no vote from me.

 

[southfieldhibby]

I think any party has it's fair share of mindbending stupid policies, the Green Party are no exception. I would draw the distinction between The Scottish Green party and the party in England, so I assume your post is based on cross referencing that both parties have the same policies?

Anyway, I'll assume not.

Voting for The Green Party in Scotland isn't based on the expectation they'll form any part of government ( although there's something to be said for the indy movement in possibly offering Harvey environment secretary) it's more to do with keeping whatever government on their toes from the left, just as Labour do from the middle and Tory from the right.

The Scottish Greens have some very good positions and policies, I'd hesitate not voting for them based on what an irrelevant council do in an irrelevant city in another political party.

 

[Chris G Whyte]

Up until recently, I was a member of the Scottish Greens. I enjoy listening to Patrick Harvie but, probably more than anything, they're around the only left-leaning party in Scotland that are remotely credible. When you also consider that the stuff mattering to me includes pay inequality, the state of our planet, equality of opportunity and land reform... Well, Green policies suit.

But I did say "up until recently".

Sadly, as you've mentioned, great ideas don't necessarily make for great policies. I support the Citizen's Income, but the Green policy doesn't add up. I support the divestment of fossil fuels, but the Green policy doesn't even attempt to cost the re-training or re-employment that'd be necessary. How would education or the health service be meaningfully reformed? Where do Greens really stand on independence? Is "come all ye faithful" really a good approach to migration?

To top it all, there are some individuals who I'd never support in a high school parliament, never mind our national one. For every Patrick Harvie or Andy Wightman there is, sadly, a Ross Greer or a Sarah Beattie-Smith - youngsters starting their life of opportunistic political privilege (take a look at where they're standing, compared to where they've stood previously), straight out of university, and with nary a real life experience to meaningfully relate to.

Sadly, they're part of this post-democratic age where an education, paid for by you and I, allows them the right to tell you and I how to spend the rest of our money.

I'd rather they just said "thanks".

 

[Green Sleeves]

A few people on here are inclined towards the greens due to frustrations with the SNP. I'd encourage potential voters to google the adventures of the greens in Brighton. Foisted on local people by incoming rich luvvies, the party seems to occupy itself by making life miserable for the local working class.

But now it has really excelled itself, in predictably bat$#@! fashion. Apparently the greens have decided that it's a good idea to instil gender confusion in toddlers who are just beginning to to really develop an idea of themselves as an independent being the world.

I think this kind of thing is downright wicked and a textbook example of the war on reason and reality that is prospering under politically correct mullahs. I don't like characterising positions as either mad or bad as it's the way that bams like these have always marginalised people; however sometimes there seems no other explanation that is sufficient.

If these people were ever in charge civilisation would die. They don't deserve support due to their opportunistic support for Indy - which in their case is likely to be motivated by a desire to destroy anything that is, rather than an active interest in a free and prosperous Scotland.

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/...r-olds-what-gender-if-any-they-identify-with/

This is not simply academic either - adolescent referrals for transgenderism have doubled since the recent onslaught on the issue. The shamans of PC will claim this is due to people being more able to speak up, but I have heard from people who work in education that the confused teenagers you get in every generation are now apt to concluded they are transgender. Ultimately being a goth had far less potential for long term ramifications.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36010664

It's bizarre how we've let the resentments of upper class neurotics who want to destroy anything different to them become such an influence in society. People with genuine gender identity issues need support - addling children and possibility instilling personality crises hardly seems the way to do it.

The Greens are definitely getting my 2nd vote. Not because of any wonky gender issues but because here in Edinburgh second on their List is Andy Wightman who has been the most informed and influential political campaigner in Scotland for land reform. Without serious land reform Scotland will remain a medieval playground for absentee tax-evading landlords and aristocratic funds. Andy Wightman does his homework and would be a valuable asset to the Scottish parliament.

Scotland has the most inequitable land ownership in the west. Why? | UK news | The Guardian

Land Matters | .. the blog and website of Andy Wightman

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[egb_hibs]

I think any party has it's fair share of mindbending stupid policies, the Green Party are no exception. I would draw the distinction between The Scottish Green party and the party in England, so I assume your post is based on cross referencing that both parties have the same policies?

Anyway, I'll assume not.

Voting for The Green Party in Scotland isn't based on the expectation they'll form any part of government ( although there's something to be said for the indy movement in possibly offering Harvey environment secretary) it's more to do with keeping whatever government on their toes from the left, just as Labour do from the middle and Tory from the right.

The Scottish Greens have some very good positions and policies, I'd hesitate not voting for them based on what an irrelevant council do in an irrelevant city in another political party.

In what sense are they coming from 'the left' though ? There is rapidly widening chasm between the left in the sense of worker interest, and the left in the sense of post 60s bonkerness which is overwhelmingly an upper middle class preoccupation.

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The Greens are definitely getting my 2nd vote. Not because of any wonky gender issues but because here in Edinburgh second on their List is Andy Wightman who has been the most informed and influential political campaigner in Scotland for land reform. Without serious land reform Scotland will remain a medieval playground for absentee tax-evading landlords and aristocratic funds. Andy Wightman does his homework and would be a valuable asset to the Scottish parliament.

Scotland has the most inequitable land ownership in the west. Why? | UK news | The Guardian

Land Matters | .. the blog and website of Andy Wightman

i will read the latter at least when I have more time - because 'why it matters' is something that is currently not clear to me.

 

[Green Sleeves]

In what sense are they coming from 'the left' though ? There is rapidly widening chasm between the left in the sense of worker interest, and the left in the sense of post 60s bonkerness which is overwhelmingly an upper middle class preoccupation.

These days if you are serious about challenging neoliberalism then you're on the left.

Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems | Books | The Guardian

 

[southfieldhibby]

In what sense are they coming from 'the left' though ? There is rapidly widening chasm between the left in the sense of worker interest, and the left in the sense of post 60s bonkerness which is overwhelmingly an upper middle class preoccupation.

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i will read the latter at least when I have now time - because 'why it matters' is something that is currently not clear to me.

The most obvious one is land reform.

 

[gun ainm]

A few people on here are inclined towards the greens due to frustrations with the SNP. I'd encourage potential voters to google the adventures of the greens in Brighton. Foisted on local people by incoming rich luvvies, the party seems to occupy itself by making life miserable for the local working class.

But now it has really excelled itself, in predictably bat$#@! fashion. Apparently the greens have decided that it's a good idea to instil gender confusion in toddlers who are just beginning to to really develop an idea of themselves as an independent being the world.

I think this kind of thing is downright wicked and a textbook example of the war on reason and reality that is prospering under politically correct mullahs. I don't like characterising positions as either mad or bad as it's the way that bams like these have always marginalised people; however sometimes there seems no other explanation that is sufficient.

If these people were ever in charge civilisation would die. They don't deserve support due to their opportunistic support for Indy - which in their case is likely to be motivated by a desire to destroy anything that is, rather than an active interest in a free and prosperous Scotland.

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/...r-olds-what-gender-if-any-they-identify-with/

This is not simply academic either - adolescent referrals for transgenderism have doubled since the recent onslaught on the issue. The shamans of PC will claim this is due to people being more able to speak up, but I have heard from people who work in education that the confused teenagers you get in every generation are now apt to concluded they are transgender. Ultimately being a goth had far less potential for long term ramifications.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36010664

It's bizarre how we've let the resentments of upper class neurotics who want to destroy anything different to them become such an influence in society. People with genuine gender identity issues need support - addling children and possibility instilling personality crises hardly seems the way to do it.

You do realise that the Scottish green party is separate from the part in England and Wales? bit unfair to pick something occurring in Brighton to inform the forthcoming election

 

[egb_hibs]

These days if you are serious about challenging neoliberalism then you're on the left.

Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems | Books | The Guardian

A left that embraces you, George Monbiot, Golden Dawn and Pat Buchanan, is a pretty broad left.

Another read for later but the title of the article is absurd and manifestly untrue. Looks like simple solutions for a simplistic worldview stuff. It's also valueless from large parts of the left who complain about it but cheerlead its major parts such as free movement of labour.

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You do realise that the Scottish green party is separate from the part in England and Wales? bit unfair to pick something occurring in Brighton to inform the forthcoming election

That's a fair criticism but I think that the Green Party in (local) power in England is probably not meaningless reference from the Scottish version they separated from.

 

[gun ainm]

That's a fair criticism but I think that the Green Party in (local) power in England is probably not meaningless reference from the Scottish version they separated from.

there's not much chance of the greens forming the government in may - what would seem to be likely however is that a cohort of green msps can influence the debate on a number of key policy issues such as the land reform agenda already highlighted. I have a lot of time for Andy Wightman. For all there foibles I am yet to find a better alternative for my second vote:- less than keen on any of the yoonionist parties, SNP 2 seems a waste and i'm a bit scunnered with their bourgeois agenda anyways, RISE is a possibility but for me the Greens are the least bad and have some genuinely decent policies.

 

[Green Sleeves]

A left that embraces you, George Monbiot, Golden Dawn and Pat Buchanan, is a pretty broad left.

Another read for later but the title of the article is absurd and manifestly untrue. Looks like simple solutions for a simplistic worldview stuff. It's also valueless from large parts of the left who complain about it but cheerlead its major parts such as free movement of labour.

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It would be an insane definition of the left that includes Golden Dawn and Pat Buchanan. Golden Dawn for instance want free trade agreements in place just like the other neoliberals. Except they want them with the likes of Russia and China. They also want lower taxes for corporations - so long as they only employ Greek workers. Pat Buchanan on the other hand is clinically insane.

As Monbiot says there is a whole industry of neoliberal apologists out there who deny the existence of neoliberalism as an ideology. So it goes. Comparisons with fruitdaloop climate change deniers are valid here and the overlap isn't coincidental.

 

[Bofahibee]

A few people on here are inclined towards the greens due to frustrations with the SNP. I'd encourage potential voters to google the adventures of the greens in Brighton. Foisted on local people by incoming rich luvvies, the party seems to occupy itself by making life miserable for the local working class.

But now it has really excelled itself, in predictably bat$#@! fashion. Apparently the greens have decided that it's a good idea to instil gender confusion in toddlers who are just beginning to to really develop an idea of themselves as an independent being the world.

I think this kind of thing is downright wicked and a textbook example of the war on reason and reality that is prospering under politically correct mullahs. I don't like characterising positions as either mad or bad as it's the way that bams like these have always marginalised people; however sometimes there seems no other explanation that is sufficient.

If these people were ever in charge civilisation would die. They don't deserve support due to their opportunistic support for Indy - which in their case is likely to be motivated by a desire to destroy anything that is, rather than an active interest in a free and prosperous Scotland.

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/...r-olds-what-gender-if-any-they-identify-with/

This is not simply academic either - adolescent referrals for transgenderism have doubled since the recent onslaught on the issue. The shamans of PC will claim this is due to people being more able to speak up, but I have heard from people who work in education that the confused teenagers you get in every generation are now apt to concluded they are transgender. Ultimately being a goth had far less potential for long term ramifications.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36010664

It's bizarre how we've let the resentments of upper class neurotics who want to destroy anything different to them become such an influence in society. People with genuine gender identity issues need support - addling children and possibility instilling personality crises hardly seems the way to do it.

What's this got to do with Brighton Greens? They don't run the council any more. The Councillor quoted is labour

Brighton Hove City Council - Councillor details - Councillor Emma Daniel

Also most of the issues the former Green council faced in power were inherited from Labour or forced upon them from Westminster. It's also always overlooked that they were a minority administration and so many policies weren't actually theirs.


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