Another few votes in the bank for Nick Griffin

[egb_hibs]

I'm sure the trustafarian anarchists protesting outside the BBC studios will have tipped a few more over the line.

So to the tv union guy claiming his cameraman etc shouldn't have to work on material they find offensive, while working routinely on various things that no doubt many different sets of license taxees.

Unless Griffin fucks up big time tonight, which is entirely possible, this has been a win win win for him and his merry band.

The liberal establishment haven't got a fucking clue how to handle this.

 

[madkink]

I'm sure the trustafarian anarchists protesting outside the BBC studios will have tipped a few more over the line.

So to the tv union guy claiming his cameraman etc shouldn't have to work on material they find offensive, while working routinely on various things that no doubt many different sets of license taxees.

Unless Griffin fucks up big time tonight, which is entirely possible, this has been a win win win for him and his merry band.

The liberal establishment haven't got a fucking clue how to handle this.

I think he is going to be a model gentleman, and be on hes very very best behaviour, and make everyone else look twatish for the antics leading up to this,

either way the guy is still a plank.

 

[egb_hibs]

in my estimation, he's got a high chance of taking the bait and going on a rant, which is the only way he can really lose.

given those aligned against him, i think he'll start with a degree of sympathy even from those who hate him, and certainly from anyone who may in any way be tempted in his direction.

i tell you who i'd have like to seen unleashed on him; Norman Tebbit.

 

[shandongreen]

I'm sure the trustafarian anarchists protesting outside the BBC studios will have tipped a few more over the line.

So to the tv union guy claiming his cameraman etc shouldn't have to work on material they find offensive, while working routinely on various things that no doubt many different sets of license taxees.

Unless Griffin fucks up big time tonight, which is entirely possible, this has been a win win win for him and his merry band.

The liberal establishment haven't got a fucking clue how to handle this.

He will be shouted down and bullied which again will play into his hands,many will agree with his minor policies as they will reek of common sense,and he will avoid the major policies and where the party stand on racial policies very cutely by allowing the others to rant.

Lets hope its not a repeat of the froggie one with Le Pen,when his vote doubled.


I dont apoligise for using the word froggie,racist bigoted twat that i am,lets get the party started.

 

[Kurt]

NF party political broadcast in 1983 was a nail in their coffin. They tried to come across as reasonable but they were talking such shite they were perceived as a laughing stock the next day.

 

[Doc Shrink]

I dont apoligise for using the word froggie,racist bigoted twat that i am,lets get the party started.

Really?

Well

:shrink309:

:yas:

 

[Kurt]

Griffin = welsh name.

England for English. Griffin repatriated to the valleys.

 

[buckie]

Griffin = welsh name.

England for English. Griffin repatriated to the valleys.

he lives in Wales.

 

[madkink]

Griffin = welsh name.

England for English. Griffin repatriated to the valleys.

I think he is doing the old, England as in the UK thing they seem to do

 

[buckie]

Mr Griffin accused the protesters of "attacking the rights of millions of people to listen to what I've got to say and listen to me being called to account by other politicians", adding: "It really is a disgraceful thing."

 

[egb_hibs]

Griffin = welsh name.

England for English. Griffin repatriated to the valleys.

Griffin is always rattling on about his welshness.

I guess this probably does make him vulnerable in the people's front of judea world of extreme politics; amongst those who think the bnp are liberal gay boys, there will no doubt be english as opposed to british supremacists.

 

[Dub]

Griffin is always rattling on about his welshness.

I guess this probably does make him vulnerable in the people's front of judea world of extreme politics; amongst those who think the bnp are liberal gay boys, there will no doubt be english as opposed to british supremacists.

To be fair though, their application process does allow for Welsh and Celts to be admitted to the party so far as I understand it.

 

[Kurt]

To be fair though, their application process does allow for Welsh and Celts to be admitted to the party so far as I understand it.

Does he include the vikings or will the northern end of Scotland have to be cleared?

 

[buckie]

If Griffin wants to come out of this looking good he should take a leaf out of Sinn Fein/IRAs book. These mass murdering cowardly terrorist scum have got right to the heart of Govt by creating the illusion of respectablity and tolerence. The BNP are just cranks but Sinn fein/IRA have murdered thousands yet they are the ones shaking hands with Presidents and being feted as peacemakers by world leaders. I seen the protesters outside the BBC in Belfast today, typically they were all white and looked like students. Funny how the same folk dont turn up to protest every week when the cowards who blew up their city and murdered and maimed its inhabitants regularly appear on BBC.

 

[Frenchman]

He will be shouted down and bullied which again will play into his hands,many will agree with his minor policies as they will reek of common sense,and he will avoid the major policies and where the party stand on racial policies very cutely by allowing the others to rant.

Lets hope its not a repeat of the froggie one with Le Pen,when his vote doubled.


I dont apoligise for using the word froggie,racist bigoted twat that i am,lets get the party started.

Comment?

 

[Kurt]

He will be shouted down and bullied which again will play into his hands,many will agree with his minor policies as they will reek of common sense,

they reek, all right, but not of common sense.

 

[egb_hibs]

If Griffin wants to come out of this looking good he should take a leaf out of Sinn Fein/IRAs book. These mass murdering cowardly terrorist scum have got right to the heart of Govt by creating the illusion of respectablity and tolerence. The BNP are just cranks but Sinn fein/IRA have murdered thousands yet they are the ones shaking hands with Presidents and being feted as peacemakers by world leaders. I seen the protesters outside the BBC in Belfast today, typically they were all white and looked like students. Funny how the same folk dont turn up to protest every week when the cowards who blew up their city and murdered and maimed its inhabitants regularly appear on BBC.

Two big differences; IRA are anti-british and tinged with marxism, and hence dear to the hearts of the british left establishment. The BNP represent working class whites with non-PC views and hence are scum of the earth.

It's not the same at all Buckie.

Does he include the vikings or will the northern end of Scotland have to be cleared?

terza posizione fascism from which Griffin descends, doesn't really give a fuck about national identities full stop. The real agenda is the 'european race'. Whatever that is.


well that and the jews, as usual. Interesting how low key the fight against BNP is on that point. Possibly because the BNP take all the positions the centre left do on 'zionism'. Indeed this whole anti-zionism business has migrated from the neo nazis to the guardianisat wibewals pretty much lock stock and barrel.

 

[1 Mcnamara]

Its a pity George Galloway wasn,t on QT tonight
Whatever you think of him he is a fantastic debater

I dont think Griffin will lose the plot tonight. The opposition are there to get shot down also. He isnt alone in having "dodgy moral issues"

 

[egb_hibs]

Its a pity George Galloway wasn,t on QT tonight
Whatever you think of him he is a fantastic debater

with scarcely less repellent views.

 

[1 Mcnamara]

with scarcely less repellent views.

he seems to make a lot of sense to me
and at least says what he believes in, and not just towing the party line

His performance in America was legendary

 

[Kurt]

at least says what he believes in, and not just towing the party line

Its what he believes in that's the problem.

 

[1 Mcnamara]

Its what he believes in that's the problem.

he believes in not spending taxpayers money slaughtering thousands of innocents. And not sending our troops off to die in unjust wars.And not licking Americas arse

 

[GORDONSMITH7]

Won't be watching as I'm up at 3.45 getting the first flight to Berlin. Probably be at the Holocaust Museum in Berlin at about midday. I'll be thinking about that fat facsist **** though.

On the Holocaust
Between 1995 and 1997, Nick Griffin edited 'The Rune'. Griffin referred to the Holocaust as a "Holohoax".

In 1998 Nick Griffin said, "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."

Scum.

BIG G

 

[egb_hibs]

he seems to make a lot of sense to me
and at least says what he believes in, and not just towing the party line

His performance in America was legendary

good for you. the first bit applies equally to griffin.

Galloway is (almost) as morally reprehensible, smooth fucking talker or not.

 

[egb_hibs]

Won't be watching as I'm up at 3.45 getting the first flight to Berlin. Probably be at the Holocaust Museum in Berlin at about midday. I'll be thinking about that fat facsist **** though.

On the Holocaust
Between 1995 and 1997, Nick Griffin edited 'The Rune'. Griffin referred to the Holocaust as a "Holohoax".

In 1998 Nick Griffin said, "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."

Scum.

BIG G

Good man (sincerely)

OTOH, tis a pity yer man trotsky's work is not similarly commemorated.

A pox on every booted bastard who has crushed and killed those who don't fit. On this sentiment, I'm sure you and I will for once agree.

 

[1 Mcnamara]

good for you. the first bit applies equally to griffin.

Galloway is (almost) as morally reprehensible, smooth fucking talker or not.

why is it good for me? what is good for me?
who do you respect politically?

 

[gun ainm]

politicians all really failed to make any real impact on the BNP message, quite liked Greer's approach and felt that possibly saved the programme but all in all it was the feared rant with most targets missed

 

[Nex]

No surprise there then seeing as Greer is the one who ISN'T a politician.

I only caught the last 10 minutes of the show, and in that Griffin came across as a complete homophobe.

Just firing up iplayer to see the other 50 minutes.

...Awesome they open with Churchill, who was at his roots a far right racist. I've never been much of a fan of Churchill.

 

[Wolfetone Hibee]

...Awesome they open with Churchill, who was at his roots a far right racist. I've never been much of a fan of Churchill.

The books he wrote are excellent though!grandpa

His views on Islam were shaped by his experience in possibly THE worst example of a muslim state ever so maybe he used a poor example.

Off topic, sorry.

 

[Green Sleeves]

Griffin = welsh name.

England for English. Griffin repatriated to the valleys.

Griffin is always rattling on about his welshness.

I guess this probably does make him vulnerable in the people's front of judea world of extreme politics; amongst those who think the bnp are liberal gay boys, there will no doubt be english as opposed to british supremacists.

Doubt if the BNP are liberal gay boys. Nothing liberal about them. But Griffin is clearly an upper clas repressed homosexual with a preference for young working class skinhead boys. It's why he joined a fascist party in the first place. That and the tight uniforms.

 

[Nex]

Okay...the woman from the British Museum totally destroyed Griffin at every turn.

I am very impressed with how she acted, and goodness knows she was needed while the "three main parties" were bumbling about.

While it was by no means as damaging as it could have been only someone picking out what they wanted to hear could come away from that agreeing with the BNP.

 

[EasterToad]

Most white people, those who were prepared to give Griffin a hearing, will have seen that the media demonising of this man Griffin was false. In that regard there will be votes in it for him.

And that Bonnie Greer...how she's running the British museum has to be a joke. Kind of sums up what's wrong with this country that we choose to import a former militant black American female, with no serious academic background, to control something as important to the public.

 

[wee 162]

with scarcely less repellent views.

Really?

What is the Galloway view which equates to racial supremacy for the racial minority (worldwide) he is in?

Or is this just yet another absolutely tired example of you saying all extremists are bad and then including a fairly left position in that? Because you think the BNP are unfairly picked on compared to the SSP (or students, or the SWP, or whoever you happened to drag out of your dictionary of fuckwittery in any particular day). As you think the Nazis are unfairly picked on compared to the Soviets. As you think the Isrealis are unfairly picked on compared to the Palestinians. And as you appear to be verging on thinking the loyalists in NI are compared to Sinn Fein.

I personally don't think so, but anyone reading your stuff nowadays would be hard pressed to see any difference in the viewpoints, if not eloquence, from Buckie. Take that as a compliment or insult as you desire.

 

[am_moroccan]

BBC NEWS | Politics | Angry scenes face Griffin at BBC

 

[snoots]

Most white people, those who were prepared to give Griffin a hearing, will have seen that the media demonising of this man Griffin was false. In that regard there will be votes in it for him.

I'm more than willing to give him a hearing. In fact I hope he goes programmes such as HardTalk, The Big Questions and whatever other shows can help confirm what his policies are as he will demonize himself by doing so, the only help he needs from the media is to give him airtime. Oh and I'm white, well sort of grey-ish pink, but I can't speak for every greyish-pink person or even most of them.

And that Bonnie Greer...how she's running the British museum has to be a joke. Kind of sums up what's wrong with this country that we choose to import a former militant black American female, with no serious academic background, to control something as important to the public.

She doesn't run the British Museum, she sits on a board of 25 trustees which meet four times a year to give advice to those who do, advice which they can take or leave.

As you think the Nazis are unfairly picked on compared to the Soviets.

To be fair he has a point there.

 

[Nex]

While the Soviet regime was far from pretty it did what it needed to survive in the face of the Nazi warmachine.

Not to mention if you take the american line on the Soviet Union they were as bad if not far worse than the Nazis.
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I agree that the more airtime Griffin gets, the more times his facade of decency will slip. Particularly against the harder political interviewers, Question Time really very rarely achieves much and is probably the safest political show he could go on.

 

[snoots]

While the Soviet regime was far from pretty it did what it needed to survive in the face of the Nazi warmachine.

After making the mistake of starting out as their chums.

 

[EasterToad]

Really?

What is the Galloway view which equates to racial supremacy for the racial minority (worldwide) he is in?

Or is this just yet another absolutely tired example of you saying all extremists are bad and then including a fairly left position in that? Because you think the BNP are unfairly picked on compared to the SSP (or students, or the SWP, or whoever you happened to drag out of your dictionary of fuckwittery in any particular day). As you think the Nazis are unfairly picked on compared to the Soviets. As you think the Isrealis are unfairly picked on compared to the Palestinians. And as you appear to be verging on thinking the loyalists in NI are compared to Sinn Fein.

I personally don't think so, but anyone reading your stuff nowadays would be hard pressed to see any difference in the viewpoints, if not eloquence, from Buckie. Take that as a compliment or insult as you desire.

Galloway is a loud, and fairlly unintelligent balloon, that bullies people by shouting and threatening behaviour. A left of left attack missile.

I've already seen the print media's headlines re Griffin. I understand the gutter press reaction, but I'm not sure what the Daily Mail has against Griffin given they are anti-immigration and not EU friendly. I assume jewish ownership is the reason. They are all scared of Griffin, that's obvious.

 

[Dunc89]

Most white people, those who were prepared to give Griffin a hearing, will have seen that the media demonising of this man Griffin was false. In that regard there will be votes in it for him.

And that Bonnie Greer...how she's running the British museum has to be a joke. Kind of sums up what's wrong with this country that we choose to import a former militant black American female, with no serious academic background, to control something as important to the public.

This is an odd thing to take from tonight's show. Leaving aside the questionable insinuations within your opening phrase "most white people", I fail to see how the supposed demonisation was in any way shown to be false. Griffin's defence of this "demonisation" was poor; his piece about misquotations was poorly constructed and fell away at the first challenge. The most poignant criticism, or "demonisation" as you put it, has been about his holocaust denial. He made a total arse of that aswell, effectively saying "I thought that before but I dinnae anymore, it's fine".

Overall, it was a fairly unsurprising performance from him. Early on he took a shredding, but he was allowed ground on which he was able to reel out his rhetoric as he would have hoped, on his terms, largely thanks to Straw's ineptitude.

He was revelling in the "demonisation"; laughing away and clearly under the delusion that he is charismatic. In reality, he came across, first and foremost, as an amateur. This though, as has been mentioned earlier in the thread, may be to his benefit: he certainly didn't come across as a stuffy politician as for example Straw did, and so to some may appear as a breath of fresh air. A shrewd policy on his part, perhaps. More likely just coincidence though, as from what we have seen tonight he's not the most tactile of individuals.

However, EasterToad, back to the "most white people" bit. What do you mean by this? By differentiating society into "most white people" and, presumably, "others", you tread a very fine line and one not too dissimilar to that by which the BNP stand. Your wee piece about Greer on the grounds of her race serves only to reinforce this highly questionable stance. I can understand the legitimacy concerning debates about immigration, however arguments with a heavy emphasis on race and ethnicity are a very different matter. This is where Griffin and the BNP ultimately lose out on any legitimacy gained through their immigration arguments, and your echoing of such racial arguments with the terms you so freely use in your post serves to undermine any serious points you attempt to make.

 

[Dunc89]

I assume jewish ownership is the reason.

See above.