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I agree. However the whole area is a very ‘humans’ problem. Put protections in place and we risk falling behind to the commies whether Russian or Chinese. Now that may appear inconsequential in terms of derivative pop music being produced by AI instead of pop stars - although I expect it has considerable value as a propaganda vehicle - but the development of techniques and models is applicable more widely.

The whole enterprise scunners me and was one influence in the timing of my departure from the rancid business of information technology.
 
The Guardian article ends with:

“That’s why we have been consulting on a new approach that protects the interests of both AI developers and rights holders and delivers a solution which allows both to thrive.”
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Anyone know what solutions there are that are good for the music rather than the AI developers in this plan? A humongous amount in a compensation fund of some kind, perhaps (not)?
 
I have absolutely zero and I mean zero interest in AI generated music. A computer generating soulless sounds with no real thought, emotion, meaning, story...nah, I'm ok but thanks. Then seeing that music in concert...image a guy walks up and pushes a button and there you go.
 
BVilleggiante said:
I have absolutely zero and I mean zero interest in AI generated music. A computer generating soulless sounds with no real thought, emotion, meaning, story...nah, I'm ok but thanks. Then seeing that music in concert...image a guy walks up and pushes a button and there you go.
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Is that not what dj’s do nowadays?
All this pushing buttons and playing someone else’s music yet somehow they are the artiste?
 
Doc Shrink said:
Is that not what dj’s do nowadays?
All this pushing buttons and playing someone else’s music yet somehow they are the artiste?
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It’s not necessarily not their own music - though to me dj is then a misnomer, a dj plays records and isn’t a musician, on that I concur.

But a lot of electronic music is made up of different loops - a cyclical drum track for instance, or a repeating bass pattern or chord sequence. These can be played ‘live’ by having loops assigned to buttons which trigger them, on a ‘sequencer’. Which is a million miles away from playing instruments live, but does allow for improvisation.

To come back to your point, these guys might be pressing buttons to trigger melodies and rhythms of their own composition. Though typically, there will indeed be lots of samples from other songs in the mix. What they are doing is closer to the traditional role of a producer or sound engineer in a recording studio, than a dj, imho.

I couldn’t have told you this last week by the way. But a retirement hobby taken up this very week, has involved pottering with this stuff.
 
Those buttons can also function as a keyboard btw, using sample sounds as notes:

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We are some distance from Lonnie Donegan’s skiffle band, here.
 
Id of thought we would learn from Terminator!

They even stated Skynet for fuck sake.

Good luck stopping it!

Another thing you never consented too!
 
egb_hibs said:
It’s not necessarily not their own music - though to me dj is then a misnomer, a dj plays records and isn’t a musician, on that I concur.

But a lot of electronic music is made up of different loops - a cyclical drum track for instance, or a repeating bass pattern or chord sequence. These can be played ‘live’ by having loops assigned to buttons which trigger them, on a ‘sequencer’. Which is a million miles away from playing instruments live, but does allow for improvisation.

To come back to your point, these guys might be pressing buttons to trigger melodies and rhythms of their own composition. Though typically, there will indeed be lots of samples from other songs in the mix. What they are doing is closer to the traditional role of a producer or sound engineer in a recording studio, than a dj, imho.

I couldn’t have told you this last week by the way. But a retirement hobby taken up this very week, has involved pottering with this stuff.
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Buy a piano.
Or a guitar.
Or a violin.
Or a Trumpet.
 
greencol said:
Buy a piano.
Or a guitar.
Or a violin.
Or a Trumpet.
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Why? Can put together whole pieces featuring all of them without spending bings of dosh and giving up space i don't have to spare.

In any case not really interested in any of those, I prefer electronic music.
 
egb_hibs said:
Why? Can put together whole pieces featuring all of them without spending bings of dosh and giving up space i don't have to spare.

In any case not really interested in any of those, I prefer electronic music.
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So there 😤
 
egb_hibs said:
Why? Can put together whole pieces featuring all of them without spending bings of dosh and giving up space i don't have to spare.

In any case not really interested in any of those, I prefer electronic music.
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Oh dear.
 
Any of yous seen this? Do you think it's real or a trick? IF it's real then terminator could be on its way.....


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EH17 Jimmy said:
Any of yous seen this? Do you think it's real or a trick? IF it's real then terminator could be on its way.....


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I was gonna say, looks like someone put on some bangin choon.

And lo, as I fast forwarded to the end it suggests that a dance routine was loaded into the robot without testing. Assuming it's not fake to begin with, this sounds plausible. It's just a dummy doing what its programmed to do. Skynet still some way off.
 
To be fair I never watched the whole clip 😞 but maybe the robot could join in with a football teams casual mob and do a bit windmilling.
 
Turning from LLMs this is the sort of thing that means AI will brutalise the IT industry that shat it out.


"Jaana Dogan, an engineer at Google, said that in an hour, the bot had replicated what her entire team had spent a year building. “I’m not joking and this isn’t funny,” she said."

Meanwhile...

 
egb_hibs said:
Turning from LLMs this is the sort of thing that means AI will brutalise the IT industry that shat it out.


"Jaana Dogan, an engineer at Google, said that in an hour, the bot had replicated what her entire team had spent a year building. “I’m not joking and this isn’t funny,” she said."

Meanwhile...

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Funnily enough, I have a fairly monotonous aspect to my job that I’ve tried to automate several times before without any success

My Microsoft 365 renewal was due this week and it was cheaper to take it with copilot than without it

So I think let’s see if copilot can help

It did, it easily understood the issue how to resolve it and wrote me a python script to deliver.

Talked me through each step of the process, worked through all the failures and within an hour I had a working script. Left my computer on overnight and it did what in the past would have taken a week.

It was like an enhanced browser interface which cut out all the shitey adverts, Chinese plants and inane pointless links

I might be a convert, but I’m also now a programmer apparently
 
Purple & Green said:
Funnily enough, I have a fairly monotonous aspect to my job that I’ve tried to automate several times before without any success

My Microsoft 365 renewal was due this week and it was cheaper to take it with copilot than without it

So I think let’s see if copilot can help

It did, it easily understood the issue how to resolve it and wrote me a python script to deliver.

Talked me through each step of the process, worked through all the failures and within an hour I had a working script. Left my computer on overnight and it did what in the past would have taken a week.

It was like an enhanced browser interface which cut out all the shitey adverts, Chinese plants and inane pointless links

I might be a convert, but I’m also now a programmer apparently
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And did it decide definitively on what colour socks?
 
Purple & Green said:
Funnily enough, I have a fairly monotonous aspect to my job that I’ve tried to automate several times before without any success

My Microsoft 365 renewal was due this week and it was cheaper to take it with copilot than without it

So I think let’s see if copilot can help

It did, it easily understood the issue how to resolve it and wrote me a python script to deliver.

Talked me through each step of the process, worked through all the failures and within an hour I had a working script. Left my computer on overnight and it did what in the past would have taken a week.

It was like an enhanced browser interface which cut out all the shitey adverts, Chinese plants and inane pointless links

I might be a convert, but I’m also now a programmer apparently
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This is one of the - qualified - upsides, ie it let's people do stuff without having to knock on doors in the neuro diverse floor of the office.

Even there it's a double edged sword though. There is a long history of things that help like that, but when systems produced that way grow in scale and importance then get joined with others.... they swiftly become a heath robinson mess liable to blow up at any time.

However for the solo user who isn't going to inadvertently create something hundreds of people and millions of pounds end up depending on, then it's great.

An unemployment generating machine though, obvs.
 
Fortunately my job includes a large aspect which doesn’t transfer to AI but yes the thought struck me straightaway that if these kind of things are possible used correctly it would decimate the IT industry


egb_hibs said:
This is one of the - qualified - upsides, ie it let's people do stuff without having to knock on doors in the neuro diverse floor of the office.

Even there it's a double edged sword though. There is a long history of things that help like that, but when systems produced that way grow in scale and importance then get joined with others.... they swiftly become a heath robinson mess liable to blow up at any time.

However for the solo user who isn't going to inadvertently create something hundreds of people and millions of pounds end up depending on, then it's great.

An unemployment generating machine though, obvs.
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