A new low for Scottish labour

Shades

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It seems that they have compiled a 51 page dossier of "cybernats" and what they have posted on Twitter at times. It's been circulated to the press.

Is there anything left but to shake your head in pity at them? How utterly depressing that they see this as a worthwhile exercise. Especially at this time when they should be self-evaluating and sorting out their own problems.

I think this is the end.
 
Lost the social media battle in 2014 & 2015. Likelihood of further losses to follow.

I'd put money on kezia becoming leader and her losing her seat in 2016.

Utterly useless.
 
I suppose there's 56 ex labour MPs and their research teams with a lot of time on their hands.
 
Am I on it?

Some of the stuff that made the list isnt even abusive. These poor chaps and chapesses at North labour HQ really must be sensitive souls and it may be just as well they didn't read any of your tweets or my faceboak stuff or it would have tipped them over the edge.
 
Some of the stuff that made the list isnt even abusive. These poor chaps and chapesses at North labour HQ really must be sensitive souls and it may be just as well they didn't read any of your tweets or my faceboak stuff or it would have tipped them over the edge.
Try and see it from their point of view; its not every day a poltiical party dies, but I think that's what we are witnessing with labour. It's a big part of some people's lives that is disappearing.

I think it's possible to feel sorry for individuals even as we celebrate the demise of what institutionally has become a wicked organisation.
 
To be honest I'm far from happy with Nicola Sturgeon's reaction to this.

The Unionist press have been drumming up outrage over every little thing said by Independence supporters taking no small pleasure in quoting half truthes and words taken out of context for years now. All while giving the bare minimum of attention to what some of the Unionists get up to, from inventing smear stories to saying naughty words on the internet to attacking people in George Square.

No amount of warnings, kicking from the SNP or whatever else she may end up planning to do will be enough for the Daily Mail.

All the while Labour and the Torys seem to get away with sending a letter or email stating "The words of this person are their own and nothing to do with us."
 
The link no longer works.

One thing that sprang to mind for me was around the data protection act. Bad enough compiling such a list (although I don't know what information was on it) but making it publicly available does seem to be sailing close to the wind.

Talking of such lists I'm sure I still have a copy of the BNP members list that was inadvertently published a few years ago.

This illustrates that even now the Labour list has 'gone' the damage to some individuals on that list, who would have no opportunity to put things right if necessary, has been done.

It also reminds me, with a bit of a chuckle, of the absolute paranoia of some highish Labour types I knew in the 1970s and 80s of maybe being on 'lists'.
 
The link no longer works.

One thing that sprang to mind for me was around the data protection act. Bad enough compiling such a list (although I don't know what information was on it) but making it publicly available does seem to be sailing close to the wind.

Talking of such lists I'm sure I still have a copy of the BNP members list that was inadvertently published a few years ago.

This illustrates that even now the Labour list has 'gone' the damage to some individuals on that list, who would have no opportunity to put things right if necessary, has been done.

It also reminds me, with a bit of a chuckle, of the absolute paranoia of some highish Labour types I knew in the 1970s and 80s of maybe being on 'lists'.


Try this http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/SNPabusivemembers.pdf
 
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The shock moves from there being arseholes from all sides on the internet to you spending at least a quid on the Herald!

The herald must have met me, it never asked me to pay :Sparkle_Cool:

The Dark Side of Twitter: Unionist trolls exposed
Hannah Rodger
Reporter
Sunday 28 June 2015

CUT her f***ing head off". "Punchable gobshite". Comparisons to Nazis and Hitler and fake accounts which portray the SNP MP Natalie McGarry in pornographic adverts.

These are just some examples of the vile abuse uncovered by the Sunday Herald which has been directed against SNP members, politicians, supporters and anyone in favour of independence by unionist opponents.

Among the most shocking cases is that of tennis star Andy Murray: an open supporter of Scottish independence, he was told by one Twitter user he should have been killed during the Dunblane massacre for being an "anti-British hypocrite". He was a pupil at the school at the time of the attack.

The culprit is understood to have deleted their account following the abuse, before another with the same name was opened up in its place.



The SNP itself has been described many times as the Nazi party, with commenters comparing Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond to Hitler [MENTION=1031]Rab[/MENTION]9872), and their party's logo to swastikas [MENTION=741]peter[/MENTION]Dawson0).

[MENTION=1031]Rab[/MENTION]9872 said he stood by his comments when we contacted him, but added: "I'm certainly not saying SNP will commit the atrocities the Nazis did but they are similarities." [MENTION=741]peter[/MENTION]Dawson0 was no longer on the social media site.

One Twitter user, @cboulter49, wrote they wished they could send the First Minister "to ISIS" and added: "They will sh** anything, then they wud [sic] cut her f***** head off." They did not respond when asked for a comment.

The actress Frances Barber

(@francesbarber13), who did not reply when asked for a response, said that England would wage civil war on the "racist SNP".

The contents of the unionist trolling vary - from swear words, aggressive language and threats, to continuous harassing messaging and name-calling. Their impacts have differing effects on their victims, too. Recently-elected MP McGarry, who represents the Glasgow East constituency, said she has had to have six accounts taken down from Twitter which were impersonating her, insulting her and abusing other people online in her name.

She said: "People insult my intelligence, the way I look ... One of the [fake accounts] had taken to cutting my head out and putting it on to the bodies of naked women, fat women, all different things. The first three accounts I had taken down were using my name, using my picture, nothing to say they were a parody except the abuse.''

McGarry said one troll had tried to enter her parliamentary email address to legitimise the account, which she was notified of when she checked her email. She said: "They were just vile. One of them had an advert that said 'I can go all night for 3' with my head attached to the top of it. Just horrendous stuff, week in week out."

The MP said she fears the online abuse is deterring women in particular from engaging in politics and making their voices heard for fear of sexist, misogynistic repercussions, but added she "won't be silenced, or forced off the internet" by the bullies.

"We get it a lot worse than the men ... There's this attempt to put them [women] back into boxes, silence them."

Mike Small, the founder of pro-independence news website Bella Caledonia has also been threatened and smeared online.

"I considered contacting the police but decided not to and - maybe stupidly - tried to handle it myself," he said.

The first incident happened when Small gave a talk on the effects of social media and activism before the independence referendum.

He said: "That was about the time when Rangers were going into liquidation and there was a campaign on social media by other supporters that they weren't going to get parachuted back into the top league.

"That's the example I used. I then had a photograph someone had taken in the audience posted on social media, it was pretty clear they were saying, 'I was there, we know who you are.'

"I have small children and I felt it was quite threatening. It forced me to withdraw a bit and lower my profile for a period, but I thought eventually 'I can't have that' and I came back.

Scots playwright Alan Bissett has also come under fire on Twitter with people name-calling and openly threatening him. He was called a "punchable gobshite" during the independence referendum campaign, with others making abusive sexual comments.

"It's important to distinguish between political opponents who express themselves politely or might have a valid argument and trolls who are just out to wind you up and trick you into losing your head," Bissett said.

"I can spot the trolls immediately -they'll have Union Jacks or #SNPout all over their profile or they've got very few followers. They come out with a charge-sheet of things of which I'm not guilty - being a bigot, anti-English, SNP lapdog, the usual - just for believing that decisions about Scotland should be made in Scotland.

"I've been called 'fat' plenty of times and there have been homophobic comments about the way I dress. Sometimes it's worse, but those people you just block immediately."

One so-called "cybernat" linked to First Minister Nicola Sturgeon in an article in the Daily Mail last week was Robert Dickson, who has tweeted about former Tory employment minister Esther McVey saying: "I have never used this epithet towards a woman ...but Esther McVey is a c***."

Yesterday, Dickson told the Sunday Herald: "I'm not a 'mad vile cybernat'. Whilst the tweets I posted were not my finest hour, I'm better than that. Sometimes I let passion get the better of me."

Dickson said he had met Sturgeon on two occasions, once through his job when she came to a union event, the other when he spotted her at Queen Street station one day while waiting with his son.

He said: "That's [where] the only association with me came from. I sent her a tweet saying it was really nice to meet you, the other guy was my son.

"She replied saying it was lovely to meet you, and that's the extent of my interaction with Nicola Sturgeon. She has no idea what I'm writing or tweeting, she doesn't know me from Adam."

Jill Stephenson, a historian, prominent unionist and emeritus professor at the University of Edinburgh who goes by the twitter name @Historywoman, last week posted it was "no surprise" that a man who was ejected for being drunk and disorderly on a flight was from Dundee as it was "a Yes city".

When asked by the Sunday Herald if she stood by the remarks, Stephenson said: "What I said was actually rather low-key. But I appreciate that popular newspapers have to paint things in dramatic terms. I realise that there are a lot of people on Twitter who hate me. Their problem is that I really don't care about what they think about me.

"With people who appear on my timeline simply for the purpose of insulting me - which some nationalists do - I mute or block. They are a waste of time."

Stephenson has also referred to independence supporters as "w*****s" and called regular trolling victim Natalie McGarry a "stupid woman".

A University of Edinburgh spokesman said: "Professor Stephenson is an emeritus professor, meaning she is a professor who is retired. Professor Stephenson's views are her own."

Our investigation comes in the same week Scottish Labour produced a dossier detailing online abuse from SNP members and independence supporters.
 
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The shock moves from there being arseholes from all sides on the internet to you spending at least a quid on the Herald!
They allow you to view a few articles before you have to pay,i usually just clear my cookies......

The herald must have met me, it never asked me to pay :Sparkle_Cool:

The Dark Side of Twitter: Unionist trolls exposed
Hannah Rodger
Reporter
Sunday 28 June 2015

CUT her f***ing head off". "Punchable gobshite". Comparisons to Nazis and Hitler and fake accounts which portray the SNP MP Natalie McGarry in pornographic adverts.

These are just some examples of the vile abuse uncovered by the Sunday Herald which has been directed against SNP members, politicians, supporters and anyone in favour of independence by unionist opponents.

Among the most shocking cases is that of tennis star Andy Murray: an open supporter of Scottish independence, he was told by one Twitter user he should have been killed during the Dunblane massacre for being an "anti-British hypocrite". He was a pupil at the school at the time of the attack.

The culprit is understood to have deleted their account following the abuse, before another with the same name was opened up in its place.



The SNP itself has been described many times as the Nazi party, with commenters comparing Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond to Hitler [MENTION=1031]Rab[/MENTION]9872), and their party's logo to swastikas [MENTION=741]peter[/MENTION]Dawson0).

[MENTION=1031]Rab[/MENTION]9872 said he stood by his comments when we contacted him, but added: "I'm certainly not saying SNP will commit the atrocities the Nazis did but they are similarities." [MENTION=741]peter[/MENTION]Dawson0 was no longer on the social media site.

One Twitter user, @cboulter49, wrote they wished they could send the First Minister "to ISIS" and added: "They will sh** anything, then they wud [sic] cut her f***** head off." They did not respond when asked for a comment.

The actress Frances Barber

(@francesbarber13), who did not reply when asked for a response, said that England would wage civil war on the "racist SNP".

The contents of the unionist trolling vary - from swear words, aggressive language and threats, to continuous harassing messaging and name-calling. Their impacts have differing effects on their victims, too. Recently-elected MP McGarry, who represents the Glasgow East constituency, said she has had to have six accounts taken down from Twitter which were impersonating her, insulting her and abusing other people online in her name.

She said: "People insult my intelligence, the way I look ... One of the [fake accounts] had taken to cutting my head out and putting it on to the bodies of naked women, fat women, all different things. The first three accounts I had taken down were using my name, using my picture, nothing to say they were a parody except the abuse.''

McGarry said one troll had tried to enter her parliamentary email address to legitimise the account, which she was notified of when she checked her email. She said: "They were just vile. One of them had an advert that said 'I can go all night for 3' with my head attached to the top of it. Just horrendous stuff, week in week out."

The MP said she fears the online abuse is deterring women in particular from engaging in politics and making their voices heard for fear of sexist, misogynistic repercussions, but added she "won't be silenced, or forced off the internet" by the bullies.

"We get it a lot worse than the men ... There's this attempt to put them [women] back into boxes, silence them."

Mike Small, the founder of pro-independence news website Bella Caledonia has also been threatened and smeared online.

"I considered contacting the police but decided not to and - maybe stupidly - tried to handle it myself," he said.

The first incident happened when Small gave a talk on the effects of social media and activism before the independence referendum.

He said: "That was about the time when Rangers were going into liquidation and there was a campaign on social media by other supporters that they weren't going to get parachuted back into the top league.

"That's the example I used. I then had a photograph someone had taken in the audience posted on social media, it was pretty clear they were saying, 'I was there, we know who you are.'

"I have small children and I felt it was quite threatening. It forced me to withdraw a bit and lower my profile for a period, but I thought eventually 'I can't have that' and I came back.

Scots playwright Alan Bissett has also come under fire on Twitter with people name-calling and openly threatening him. He was called a "punchable gobshite" during the independence referendum campaign, with others making abusive sexual comments.

"It's important to distinguish between political opponents who express themselves politely or might have a valid argument and trolls who are just out to wind you up and trick you into losing your head," Bissett said.

"I can spot the trolls immediately -they'll have Union Jacks or #SNPout all over their profile or they've got very few followers. They come out with a charge-sheet of things of which I'm not guilty - being a bigot, anti-English, SNP lapdog, the usual - just for believing that decisions about Scotland should be made in Scotland.

"I've been called 'fat' plenty of times and there have been homophobic comments about the way I dress. Sometimes it's worse, but those people you just block immediately."

One so-called "cybernat" linked to First Minister Nicola Sturgeon in an article in the Daily Mail last week was Robert Dickson, who has tweeted about former Tory employment minister Esther McVey saying: "I have never used this epithet towards a woman ...but Esther McVey is a c***."

Yesterday, Dickson told the Sunday Herald: "I'm not a 'mad vile cybernat'. Whilst the tweets I posted were not my finest hour, I'm better than that. Sometimes I let passion get the better of me."

Dickson said he had met Sturgeon on two occasions, once through his job when she came to a union event, the other when he spotted her at Queen Street station one day while waiting with his son.

He said: "That's [where] the only association with me came from. I sent her a tweet saying it was really nice to meet you, the other guy was my son.

"She replied saying it was lovely to meet you, and that's the extent of my interaction with Nicola Sturgeon. She has no idea what I'm writing or tweeting, she doesn't know me from Adam."

Jill Stephenson, a historian, prominent unionist and emeritus professor at the University of Edinburgh who goes by the twitter name @Historywoman, last week posted it was "no surprise" that a man who was ejected for being drunk and disorderly on a flight was from Dundee as it was "a Yes city".

When asked by the Sunday Herald if she stood by the remarks, Stephenson said: "What I said was actually rather low-key. But I appreciate that popular newspapers have to paint things in dramatic terms. I realise that there are a lot of people on Twitter who hate me. Their problem is that I really don't care about what they think about me.

"With people who appear on my timeline simply for the purpose of insulting me - which some nationalists do - I mute or block. They are a waste of time."

Stephenson has also referred to independence supporters as "w*****s" and called regular trolling victim Natalie McGarry a "stupid woman".

A University of Edinburgh spokesman said: "Professor Stephenson is an emeritus professor, meaning she is a professor who is retired. Professor Stephenson's views are her own."

Our investigation comes in the same week Scottish Labour produced a dossier detailing online abuse from SNP members and independence supporters.
"History Woman" has been caught oot on twitter calling Mhairi Black a Slut and a Harridan,Harridan FFS :giggle: