A Boxing Fatality. Current Views?

[Glenmore Road]

Tragic, but fatalities are always going to occur in boxing - as they are in motorsports or equestrian activity.

I hope I don't come across as trivialising this, but it's just struck me that I've not thought of the subject of banning boxing since coming back to the UK last spring. I've seen or heard precisely zero calls for it to be banned. Thinking about it, I've not heard anyone calling for a boxing ban on any of my trips back here in maybe 15 years.

On reflection, this is odd. My memory says the topic cropped up frequently on visits back here in the Nineties and Noughties. I might have a selective recollection of that, as I originally left the UK a few months after the Eubank-Watson fight that almost resulted in Watson's death. There was a lot of anti-boxing sentiment immediately after that.

Given all the things that have been outlawed since I left, (fox-hunting, coursing, not wearing seatbelts, smoking in shared spaces, standing at football, proper scrums in rugby, belching exhausts, various dogs, selling aspirin to 17-year-olds, being in a loading bay minus a hi-viz, plastic cutlery, nasty words, real Irn Bru, Smamfa & Debee with their tits out on page 3 on their 16th birthday) it's surprising that there appears to be no vociferous lobby to have the sport banned.

We've PETA, Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion, anti-smoking, anti-gambling, anti-alcohol and anti-advertising campaigns all over the shop.
It seems odd to me that the anti-boxing campaigners would appear to have vanished.

 

[egb_hibs]

I’m not really a boxing fan though back in the day I used to like watching brawlers like Tyson and Benn.

It’s pretty hard to defend it rationally. In other sports injuries are by products, accidents. In boxing, if they are not quite ‘the aim’, they are an inevitable result of the aim.

But life cannot be encompassed by the rational and boxing is some ways one of the purist sports. A reduction of what will always ultimately be necessary, ie to fight, into a codified contest between two men.

I don’t know what the answer is.

RIP John.

 

[kaimendhibs]

Very sad. RIP

 

[Jack]

It's sad that anyone dies in circumstances like this.

As for boxing itself I think its died too.

There's a hard-core support but nothing like the following it once had in the UK. Just about everyone on the high street could pick out the likes of Henry Cooper, Frank Bruno and champions from around the world. Now I doubt most could name anyone from any country.

The sport itself has to take responsibility for this as I think the waining of public support came at around the same time boxing became fractionalised with what seems to be dozens of world champion belts for each division and a never ending bringing all these belts together showdowns.

If there's little interest in the sport there's no-one going to stick their neck out calling for it to be banned - other than the diminishing sized anti-hard-core support.

 

[Purple & Green]

RIP

Bizarrely there’s much more violent “sport” than there was 30 years ago, and women partaking too

I think the argument that it’s better in plain sight than hidden away and unregulated seems to have won.

 

[SuperTortolano]

RIP

Bizarrely there’s much more violent “sport” than there was 30 years ago, and women partaking too

I think the argument that it’s better in plain sight than hidden away and unregulated seems to have won.

I think we'll see a huge uptick in CTE damage from women's combat sports in the coming years. I watch the UFC from time to time and the women go at it hard, but don't have the power to knock each other out as often as the men do. Usually the fight goes the distance and they take way more shots.

 

[Hammi]

I think we'll see a huge uptick in CTE damage from women's combat sports in the coming years. I watch the UFC from time to time and the women go at it hard, but don't have the power to knock each other out as often as the men do. Usually the fight goes the distance and they take way more shots.

I think you're right.

Weili Zhang Vs Joanna Jedrzejczyk was incredible, but brutal. Greatest fight I've ever seen, but the long term impact is unknown. Joanna had already tipped the peak, but that fight changed her.
There's only a handful of the men's fights I can think of that are anywhere near that, there's so many ways out.

Boxing I think it still more brutal. Seen a lot of gym footage where sparring is far, far too hard too. Folk shouldn't be getting obliterated in the gym.

 

[SuperTortolano]

I think you're right.

Weili Zhang Vs Joanna Jedrzejczyk was incredible, but brutal. Greatest fight I've ever seen, but the long term impact is unknown. Joanna had already tipped the peak, but that fight changed her.
There's only a handful of the men's fights I can think of that are anywhere near that, there's so many ways out.

Boxing I think it still more brutal. Seen a lot of gym footage where sparring is far, far too hard too. Folk shouldn't be getting obliterated in the gym.

Boxing is definitely brutal over the long haul. Going 12 rounds having your head snapped back takes it toll. And also like you said, the sparring in the gym regardless of headgear still shakes the brain. And now you have this slap fest shit entering the fray. When you watch that shit on slow motion, it's like a car wreck.

At the end of the day, the fighters know what they are getting into and the risks. I'm not for banning it, maybe educate the fighters a little more. Have them attend a mandatory seminar each year, or every other year.

 

[emerald green]

Take off the gloves and go bare knuckle. Dont hit as hard as with gloves

 

[Hammi]

Boxing is definitely brutal over the long haul. Going 12 rounds having your head snapped back takes it toll. And also like you said, the sparring in the gym regardless of headgear still shakes the brain. And now you have this slap fest shit entering the fray. When you watch that shit on slow motion, it's like a car wreck.

At the end of the day, the fighters know what they are getting into and the risks. I'm not for banning it, maybe educate the fighters a little more. Have them attend a mandatory seminar each year, or every other year.

Aye power slap is a scary no joke.
Sides of faces doing numb, looking like they're paralysed on one side.
Half the shots are dirty too, temples and ears getting blasted. No flinch, no guard.

Thrown by guys who couldn't breath after a 10 second scrap, just power.

Remember seeing one guy in YouTube before it was a thing, and the sweat flying off him after being slapped looked like his soul leaving his body in slow mo. Wild. Scary. Not worth the money they're paid. Think I'd rather do the 12, 3 minutes rounds.

 

[Hammi]

Take off the gloves and go bare knuckle. Dont hit as hard as with gloves

Even BKFC lets them wrap the wrist.
Only travellers go real bare knuckle

 

[emerald green]

Even BKFC lets them wrap the wrist.
Only travellers go real bare knuckle

exactly. How many travellers die from a square go hammi
.

 

[Ryan69]

It is tragic what happened. Rip Cooney.

Boxing is a fantastic sport,and everybody walks in the ring...knowing the risks.

Not enough MAN in the world!


It's Tragic what can sometimes happen.

 

[Doc Shrink]

Aye power slap is a scary no joke.
Sides of faces doing numb, looking like they're paralysed on one side.
Half the shots are dirty too, temples and ears getting blasted. No flinch, no guard.

Thrown by guys who couldn't breath after a 10 second scrap, just power.

Remember seeing one guy in YouTube before it was a thing, and the sweat flying off him after being slapped looked like his soul leaving his body in slow mo. Wild. Scary. Not worth the money they're paid. Think I'd rather do the 12, 3 minutes rounds.

Jesus.
I thought my videos were actionable.
You seemed quite normal on here too.

Mind you, the bar is set so low Eddie the Earthworm had to suck it in to get under.

 

[Ryan69]

Jesus.
I thought my videos were actionable.
You seemed quite normal on here too.

Mind you, the bar is set so low Eddie the Earthworm had to suck it in to get under.

I can guarantee that they will promote this warrior as....We need to cancel boxing.

 

[Ryan69]

Warriors walk in the ring.

Not many warriors left in the world.....

 

[HaarlemShuffler]

Warriors walk in the ring.

Not many warriors left in the world.....

Cos they all fkn kill each other while the adults get on with things, innit

 

[Doc Shrink]

Warriors walk in the ring.

Not many warriors left in the world.....

I’m not quite getting your point Ryan.
Is there some hero you’re promoting or are you anti folk knocking seven bells out of each other for money and to satisfy the bloodthirsty morons who enjoy seeing blood splatter.

 

[Glenmore Road]

Tragic loss, but jockeys understand and accept the risks. The days of wooden posts & rails on tracks - or even concrete posts & metal rails - are long gone, but being a jockey in National Hunt racing is the one sporting pursuit that would scare the hell out of me. Unlike boxers, jockeys aren't trying to batter the hell out of each other - Kieran Fallon v. Stuart Webster apart - but National Hunt racing is almost certainly more dangerous than any licensed combat sport.
There seems to be a fair sized lobby to ban National Hunt racing, but that's on the grounds of the welfare of horses, not jockeys. Journeyman National Hunt jockey is a full-time job. It's a short career. It's not well-paid.
I briefly went out with a part-time jockette. She used to break-in horses for a fairly well-known owner/trainer. The state of her, even the right side of 30. Operation scars and bits poking out where they shouldn't be. She kept at it until well into her 40s. She's posh. She didn't need the ££££. Some lads in the jockey game certainly do need the ££££.
Anyway, R.I.P. Michael O'Sullivan.

 

[EH17 Jimmy]

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[Doc Shrink]

Some brutal sights there.
I certainly wouldn't want to knock her pint over.

Few blokes pretty scary too.

 

[EH17 Jimmy]

Some heavy punches in those fights Doc.

The geezer who holds his hands up after seconds. He's had around 20 fights and lost 19 of them. But he enjoys the buzz for some reason

 

[Doc Shrink]

Some heavy punches in those fights Doc.

The geezer who holds his hands up after seconds. He's had around 20 fights and lost 19 of them. But he enjoys the buzz for some reason

Must confess I didn't watch a lot of it Jimmy, just dipped in and out. Not really my idea of 'sport' to be honest.

I'd think taking these sort of punches to the head would be a high risk of brain damage, but then again getting into the ring in the first place possibly is a further sign of it.

 

[EH17 Jimmy]

Most fights are over in a couple of mins mate as there's nowhere to dance around like a boxing ring.