50% of young Americans don’t believe the holocaust happened or are unsure

[egb_hibs]

20% believe it’s a myth, another 30 unsure. 28% think Jews have too much influence in America.

TikTok to blame is the narrative. I’m not sure about that, but I think that group of university heads - who boot people for misgendering, but claim that calling for the genocide of Jews needs to be taken ‘in context’ - may also have a hand in this.

Dumb yanks maybe, but the numbers soar above older people. I would not be surprised if it were similar in the UK, particularly among the student population.

Sorry for the mail as a source but most places paywalled, and of those that are not, the guardian doesn’t cover oddly enough.

One in five young Americans believes the Holocaust is a myth

Conspiracy theories about the Holocaust abound on social media and fake news and poor education are suspected to be the main cause of Holocaust-denial or uncertainty in young people.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Something is going very very wrong.

 

[hibbybilly]

Mike Tysons school teacher was a Myth.

 

[Purple & Green]

I seem to remember that most Americans think the whole world speaks English.

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

America have been propping up the illegal state of Israel for decades. It's no secret that any politician who wants to have a successful campaign in the U.S has to swear undying loyalty to Israel. Why else does the the U.S send Israel billions in military aid every year?

 

[egb_hibs]

America have been propping up the illegal state of Israel for decades. It's no secret that any politician who wants to have a successful campaign in the U.S has to swear undying loyalty to Israel. Why else does the the U.S send Israel billions in military aid every year?

What’s that got to do with this ?

 

[Ryan69]

I believe that figure is not quiet correct.

Many people would like to see more evidence however.

I do believe the total is exaggerated.

Takes a long time to get rid of bodies.


It most likely DID happen though.
(Though I do know of certain chimneys that were built...after the war by Polish Soldiers)

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

What’s that got to do with this ?

Everything apparently. Maybe those dumb yanks you're referring to are fed up with their politicians shilling for a foreign country year after year.

 

[Doc Shrink]

What I learned from this thread:

Ryan is probably American.
CowgateHarp1875 is probably Ryan.

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

What I learned from this thread:

Ryan is probably American.
CowgateHarp1875 is probably Ryan.

You aren't actually saying Israel ISN'T heavily funded by the United States are you?

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

It has been an eye opening year when the media are more bothered about this than the actual genocide that's happening currently in Palestine.

 

[Doc Shrink]

You aren't actually saying Israel ISN'T heavily funded by the United States are you?

Very perspicacious of you, old boy.
Well said.

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

Very perspicacious of you, old boy.
Well said.

That's a big word doc, had to Google that one.

 

[Doc Shrink]

That's a big word doc, had to Google that one.

You’re in good company.
The late great Robin Cook used it on me, and I had to just nod knowingly, even though I wasn’t.

I‘m not sure if that made a liar out of me, or Robin.

Possibly both.

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

You’re in good company.
The late great Robin Cook used it on me, and I had to just nod knowingly, even though I wasn’t.

I‘m not sure if that made a liar out of me, or Robin.

Possibly both.

Every days a school day mate

 

[Doc Shrink]

Every days a school day mate

Just not for 20% of Americans apparently.

 

[Slippery kaboosh]

20% believe it’s a myth, another 30 unsure. 28% think Jews have too much influence in America.

TikTok to blame is the narrative.

Tik tok is poisonous ... allows people to be as racist and hateful as they like as long as its directed towards white people... the algorithms bombarded me with "dear white people videos" .. if you've seen them then you'll know...

 

[Doc Shrink]

Tik tok is poisonous ... allows people to be as racist and hateful as they like as long as its directed towards white people... the algorithms bombarded me with "dear white people videos" .. if you've seen them then you'll know...

I have no idea what TikTok does or doesn’t show, because I’m not a 13 year old girl.
I‘m assuming you got your info from a 13 year old girl, but I’m not suggesting anything unwholesome.

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

Tik tok is poisonous ... allows people to be as racist and hateful as they like as long as its directed towards white people... the algorithms bombarded me with "dear white people videos" .. if you've seen them then you'll know...

Another issue that seems to go unaddressed when they're talking about racism.

 

[egb_hibs]

Everything apparently. Maybe those dumb yanks you're referring to are fed up with their politicians shilling for a foreign country year after year.

So the fact the USA supports Israel (as it does the UK and other European countries, and democracies generally) would cause people to not believe in the holocaust ? How does that work?

 

[egb_hibs]

Tik tok is poisonous ... allows people to be as racist and hateful as they like as long as its directed towards white people... the algorithms bombarded me with "dear white people videos" .. if you've seen them then you'll know...

Am not on it, and tbh am sceptical it’s the main driver here. That’s said there is a crossover between the ‘whiteness’ thing and anti semitism. Two branches from the same poisoned root. So if that crowd are all over TikTok then maybe it is. Starts in America’s unis though, I think that’s pretty clear. Well it really starts with age old left wing radicals, but in terms of proximate causes, I think it’s the corruption of their unis.

It’s a bit disquieting that these brainwashed kids are tomorrow’s leaders. Some like to tell us the ‘culture war’ is a distraction. While I appreciate its more difficult to see tomorrow’s problems over today’s I don’t think there is anything more serious right now.

 

[egb_hibs]

Another issue that seems to go unaddressed when they're talking about racism.

Don’t hold your breath on that one. Like anti semitism it’s a woke prejudice and will get a pass every time.

Have you seen they’re trying to pull this shite in Ireland now? A country that was never involved in slavery of colonialism, in fact was the victim of it for 800 years. How does that fckn compute ?

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

So the fact the USA supports Israel (as it does the UK and other European countries, and democracies generally) would cause people to not believe in the holocaust ? How does that work?

the USA doesn't financially support any other nation on earth like it does Israel. I certainly wouldn't go that far but I can understand why Americans would start to question everything they've been told by their own government especially about events that have happened in recent times. My response is about the influence of powerful Jews have on America and American Poltics not Holocaust denial btw

 

[egb_hibs]

I believe that figure is not quiet correct.

Many people would like to see more evidence however.

I do believe the total is exaggerated.

Takes a long time to get rid of bodies.


It most likely DID happen though.
(Though I do know of certain chimneys that were built...after the war by Polish Soldiers)

Why do you think it is incorrect?

6 million Jews disappeared. 4.8 million of whom have since been individually identified and documented.

I think the Nazis were pretty efficient at disposing of bodies. They also killed not-a-kick-in-the-arse off 10% of polish Catholics alongside Polish Jews in the same facilities, not to mention specific victim groups such as gays, gypsies and trade unionists.

Glad to see you think it ‘most likely’ happened, and all those old Jews with tattoos, convicted Nazis, allied soldiers and film crews, aren’t just spinning us a line.

 

[CowgateHarp1875]

Don’t hold your breath on that one. Like anti semitism it’s a woke prejudice and will get a pass every time.

Have you seen they’re trying to pull this shite in Ireland now? A country that was never involved in slavery of colonialism, in fact was the victim of it for 800 years. How does that fckn compute ?

You can't be openly racist about Jews in most western countries (America aside) without the law getting involved, its open season on those of European Descent. I believe in equality for all and that only happens when everyone is treated to an equal standard. Some people genuinely believe you can't be racist towards white people the worst of it is its mostly white liberals who push this nonsense.

Absolute madness what's happening in Ireland mate. The Irish people have every right to want to have control of their own borders. The best thing the Irish can do is get a referendum on EU membership and get themselves out of that carnage as quick as possible.

 

[egb_hibs]

the USA doesn't financially support any other nation on earth like it does Israel. I certainly wouldn't go that far but I can understand why Americans would start to question everything they've been told by their own government especially about events that have happened in recent times.

I think the problem is more that they don’t question the crackpots that preside over their education and on social media. Today’s young seem more deferential than any prior generation, it seems to me.

It doesn’t really seem a plausible reason for denying evident historical fact either. The two things don’t connect. What does connect is these are both part of the fabric of the same bonkers ideology you note re anti white racism. And that is being indoctrinated.

Speaking of which it would be equally implausible for people pissed of with. this mad and bad nonsense to start disbelieving we ever had slavery. That would be the equivalent and it wouldn’t be sane.

The US would support Britain, Germany etc just as they do Israel and Ukraine, if required. They did for decades after ww2 - and indeed in ww2. You may not like Israel, but US foreign policy is perfectly explicable without giving credence to Nazi tropes about Jewish control. The US supports democracies.

My response is about the influence of powerful Jews have on America and American Poltics not Holocaust denial btw

Powerful people of all kinds influence things. I’m not sure why you think the Republican Party would be pandering to the traditionally democrat voting Jewish community, to give but one example. They support Israel as above.

 

[egb_hibs]

You can't be openly racist about Jews in most western countries (America aside) without the law getting involved, its open season on those of European Descent.

I agree on the latter but can’t believe you are arguing the former. We have tens of thousands of whoppers chanting anti semitic slogans in the street. We have a good chunk of one of our two main parties found guilty of it. We have academics and showbiz bubbles spewing it on social media. We have the heads of America’s most prestigious Unis refusing to unequivocally condemn calls for genocide, in institutions where you can get binned for not getting someone’s pronouns right, or be told not to clap in case you trigger someone. The same places also promote this anti white stuff, of course.

More to the point Jews are the biggest victims of hate crime by a distance. Except, I think in Scotland, where it’s Catholics - and we all know why that is.

I believe in equality for all and that only happens when everyone is treated to an equal standard. Some people genuinely believe you can't be racist towards white people the worst of it is its mostly white liberals who push this nonsense.

Yup, they are fascists and they are racists, and they are also behind the growing tide of anti semitism. That gets blamed on Muslims natch, but while there’s of course lslamists in the mix, that’s not where the engine room is, and it’s not who Jewish commentators in the media blame either, from what I can see.

Absolute madness what's happening in Ireland mate. The Irish people have every right to want to have control of their own borders. The best thing the Irish can do is get a referendum on EU membership and get themselves out of that carnage as quick as possible.

I’m not close enough on that to comment, but even without and before that the Irish were starting to get told about their white privilege. I mean, genuinely, how the fuck?

 

[Hammi]

I seem to remember that most Americans think the whole world speaks English.

They think we stole it off them too

 

[Slippery kaboosh]

I have no idea what TikTok does or doesn’t show, because I’m not a 13 year old girl.
I‘m assuming you got your info from a 13 year old girl, but I’m not suggesting anything unwholesome.

As a father of 3 with 2 daughters I have no interest in 13 year old girl's. The site literally has millions of adult members and is similar to YouTube shorts

 

[Westside Green]

I believe that figure is not quiet correct.

Many people would like to see more evidence however.

I do believe the total is exaggerated.

Takes a long time to get rid of bodies.


It most likely DID happen though.
(Though I do know of certain chimneys that were built...after the war by Polish Soldiers)

You're not totally convinced it did happen?

 

[Jack]

You've got an unhealthy obsession with universities @egb_hibs

You've not been at one I understand. But you challenge those that have been and even those that work or lecture in them preaching at them telling them they're wrong! You are, of course, correct.

I've not been to university, I'm not sure if college counts, but I know many that have and a few that are going through now. It's news to me and probably them the situation you describe.

Was your OP supposed to be a synopsis of the article linked? I'm pretty sure a fact checker would rip a new one for the misleading use of stats and insinuation.

 

[egb_hibs]

You've got an unhealthy obsession with universities @egb_hibs

You've not been at one I understand. But you challenge those that have been and even those that work or lecture in them preaching at them telling them they're wrong! You are, of course, correct.

I've not been to university, I'm not sure if college counts, but I know many that have and a few that are going through now. It's news to me and probably them the situation you describe.

Was your OP supposed to be a synopsis of the article linked? I'm pretty sure if a fact checker rip a new one for the misleading use of stats and insinuation.

I’ve not been to Palestine, been a member of the Tory, Labour nor SNP parties, been a billionaire, gunt or a hun.

If going to uni teaches you to put personal anecdote over evidence - and hey these days it might - it’s failing in its mission. Not to mention the problem of fish recognising water, or people assuming things are the same today as when they were young.

The penny has finally dropped for many after the anti semitism hearings the other week. I think we should indeed be concerned about what is being incubated.

 

[egb_hibs]

You're not totally convinced it did happen?

This is the guy fulminating about Ukrainian nazis while apparently not entirely persuaded the OGs were all they’re cracked up to be. Go figure.

 

[emerald green]

I believe that figure is not quiet correct.

Many people would like to see more evidence however.

I do believe the total is exaggerated.

Takes a long time to get rid of bodies.


It most likely DID happen though.
(Though I do know of certain chimneys that were built...after the war by Polish Soldiers)

"most likely"

 

[Archie]

I’ve not been to Palestine, been a member of the Tory, Labour nor SNP parties, been a billionaire, gunt or a hun.

If going to uni teaches you to put personal anecdote over evidence - and hey these days it might - it’s failing in its mission. Not to mention the problem of fish recognising water, or people assuming things are the same today as when they were young.

The penny has finally dropped for many after the anti semitism hearings the other week. I think we should indeed be concerned about what is being incubated.

You can relax. Uni doesn't teach anecdote over evidence. It's a useful skill to have.

 

[1 Mcnamara]

I believe that figure is not quiet correct.

Many people would like to see more evidence however.

I do believe the total is exaggerated.

Takes a long time to get rid of bodies.


It most likely DID happen though.
(Though I do know of certain chimneys that were built...after the war by Polish Soldiers)

When’s the flat earth society Christmas night out ?
Even the Germans don’t deny the holocaust happened. It’s majorly insulting to imply otherwise,
Do you believe anything history tells us?
Oh aye, you believe the bible I seem to remember, cause no way is that shit made up

 

[Beagle]

When’s the flat earth society Christmas night out ?
Even the Germans don’t deny the holocaust happened. It’s majorly insulting to imply otherwise,
Do you believe anything history tells us?
Oh aye, you believe the bible I seem to remember, cause no way is that shit made up

Aye. They don’t hide from it. I’ve never visited any of the historical sites associated with the exterminations. The only place I’ve been to with any connection is the Eagles Nest’ Berchtesgaden and the Dokumentation Obersalzburg holocaust ‘museum’- it was part of a day trip including Köenigsee. On entering the museum, your met with very large pictures of hanged people (presumably Jews). Thereafter the tour pulls no punches on how it progressed from the backgrounds of the nazi hierarchy to where it ended up. It’s a sobering experience.

I’ve been to Germany a few times and I find the people to be warm and welcoming, especially Bavarians, and not at all the formal, humourless folk they’re portrayed as. So you wonder how could a population like that could be turned into the monsters of the first half of the 20th century? My view is that all that needs to happen is for a populist government to manipulate its people into believing a vision of their superiority (über alles) and that anyone else not of their ilk is subhuman and it’s well on the way.

 

[egb_hibs]

You can relax. Uni doesn't teach anecdote over evidence. It's a useful skill to have.

Are you sure that is the case in all places @Archie ? And now, as opposed to in your day ? I’m not in the least bit convinced there isn’t a quotient of ‘my truth’ getting propagated, in some places.

This is from Harvard’s introductory indoctrination session, where students learn that using pronouns wrongly is abuse. This from the same people reluctant to unequivocally condemn calls for genocide, who allow women to be driven out for stating empirical facts re biology, and who racially discriminate on admissions.

It’s not, strictly speaking, a rational and disinterested approach is it? It also wasn’t around in the UK when you were at university (albeit I’m making age assumptions based on your long service on this portal)

 

[egb_hibs]

When’s the flat earth society Christmas night out ?
Even the Germans don’t deny the holocaust happened. It’s majorly insulting to imply otherwise,
Do you believe anything history tells us?
Oh aye, you believe the bible I seem to remember, cause no way is that shit made up

Actually, iirc, just as he is preoccupied with Ukrainian Nazis while harbouring doubts that this Nazism business might not have got a bit of a bad press to begin with; he is similarly worried about satanic influences, while not being religiously minded.

He is a man of many mysteries, is Ryan.

 

[egb_hibs]

I’ve been to Germany a few times and I find the people to be warm and welcoming, especially Bavarians, and not at all the formal, humourless folk they’re portrayed as.

Having worked with some south Germans they assured me the stereotype is absolutely true of northern Germans, who they argued we conflate with the volk more widely. They were mentalists to a man.

 

[egb_hibs]

Ps @Beagle on the ‘how could it happen?’ point - just look around at the fervour against the Jews today. Sure the people involved don’t think they’re the baddies, but per the Mitchell and Webb Nazi sketch, who does?

In terms of Germany, it has a long history of radicalism and strum and drang. The reformation, the thirty years war, the Munster rebellion, the 1848 revolutions, Nietzsche, Marx, the Nazis… the Bosch have long had a penchant - for better or worse - for revolutionary upheaval.

Vorsprung durch technik, as it were.