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Although touched apon in numerous threads for years pro and anti on here, I remember 10 years ago getting pelters for saying that I could not vote for either, pointing out that it was the first time that I hadnae ever in my adult life for any national or local election.
Pro Brexit guys and ladies on here like @EH17 Jimmy who have made their case load and clear have been outnumbered significantly by far, by anti Brexit, pro EU advocates
Everyone is entitled to their opinion .

Just to fire some historical reality into this ongoing devicive debate I would like to fire a dose of reality into myths and facts produced by both sides. I don't expect anyone to agree with our conclusions, however that aside I've as yet to have seen any coherent MSM analysis about this politically contentious event in our lifetime and how it arose.

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10 years after the Brexit vote: Where next for Britain and Europe? | The Communist

A decade ago, UK voters went to the polls for the EU referendum, setting Britain on the road to Brexit, and opening up a new period of instability. How did this turning point come about? And what lessons do these events have for communists today?
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GORDONSMITH7 said:
Although touched apon in numerous threads for years pro and anti on here, I remember 10 years ago getting pelters for saying that I could not vote for either, pointing out that it was the first time that I hadnae ever in my adult life for any national or local election.
Pro Brexit guys and ladies on here like @EH17 Jimmy who have made their case load and clear have been outnumbered significantly by far, by anti Brexit, pro EU advocates
Everyone is entitled to their opinion .

Just to fire some historical reality into this ongoing devicive debate I would like to fire a dose of reality into myths and facts produced by both sides. I don't expect anyone to agree with our conclusions, however that aside I've as yet to have seen any coherent MSM analysis about this politically contentious event in our lifetime and how it arose.

communist.red

10 years after the Brexit vote: Where next for Britain and Europe? | The Communist

A decade ago, UK voters went to the polls for the EU referendum, setting Britain on the road to Brexit, and opening up a new period of instability. How did this turning point come about? And what lessons do these events have for communists today?
communist.red communist.red

BIG G (regards, your big cocked Commie bastard, young @Ryan69)
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That's a decent read G. This was the first bit that really stuck out for me........


"The liberals and their mouthpieces sang the praises of Europe’s free market and freedom of movement.

But what had any of this brought the working class in Britain?

Nothing but a race to the bottom in terms of wages and conditions, alongside decades of social decay."


They never really thought that the not so comfortably off had their own reasons to oppose the anti worker EU.

And this Paul Embery who's trade union turned on him because of his pro Brexit pro workers stance........

"C’est la vie. Brexit was always a process rather than an event.

It was also a genuine democratic revolt – one in which the working-classes of this country, the people who had been scorned and neglected by the political establishment for so many years, played a decisive role.

And all power to them for that.

I was proud then, and remain proud today, to be among their number.

www.paulembery.com

Brexit reflections

A decade after the Leave vote, my thoughts on how it all turned out
www.paulembery.com www.paulembery.com
 

Why the EU is so much worse than when we left​

Ten years on from the Brexit vote, Brussels is more meddlesome, authoritarian and anti-democratic than ever.

www.spiked-online.com

Why the EU is so much worse than when we left

Ten years on from the Brexit vote, Brussels is more meddlesome, authoritarian and anti-democratic than ever.
www.spiked-online.com www.spiked-online.com
 
paigntonhibby said:
Brexit in itself wasnt a bad thing but there were too many civil servants and politicians that didnt want it to work.
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I think you're missing a point. In the post vote negotiation with the EU there appeared to be surprise that the EU was taking a tough line with the UK. It was as if they were somehow being churlish by not letting us keep the bits we liked about EU membership. Well thems the breaks. If you say you don't want to be in the club then don't expect the club to bend over backwards for you.

Brexit was a convulsive event which will take years to work through. Those on the leave side weren't honest about how disruptive it would be. They knew, of course. So ten years on where are the Brexit benefits? I think the reversion to blaming civil servants tells us that they are thin on the ground.
 
Archie
How come the EU nations are struggling then?

Are Germany and France performing well these days?

And as for those on the remain side how many gave a toss that millions in this country were not doing all that well when we were in the EU?
 
Do you think it would have been better if we had just shut up and put up with our lot then?
 
EH17 Jimmy said:

Why the EU is so much worse than when we left​

Ten years on from the Brexit vote, Brussels is more meddlesome, authoritarian and anti-democratic than ever.

www.spiked-online.com

Why the EU is so much worse than when we left

Ten years on from the Brexit vote, Brussels is more meddlesome, authoritarian and anti-democratic than ever.
www.spiked-online.com www.spiked-online.com
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One of the reasons that EU membets regretted Brexit is that we were a counterweight to some of the centralising tendencies. I believe the EU would have looked different had we been in. I also think it's a bit disingenuous for commentators to shreik about the EU's demands on national governments. It's the rules of the club. If you want the benefits you accept the obligations.

Someone on here rather perceptively said that EU supporters spoke about it as if it was a workers cooperative, which it is nothing of the sort. But there are advantages is joining together to face the global challenges we face today, be it Russia, the US or tech titans.

Would I vote to rejoin? Probably, but it would very much depend on the deal.
 
Na the EU would have still been what it is namely a center right pro big business greed is good entity.

Ah the old do as you are told or we won't let you play.

Rejoin will get their way eventually.

And workers can watch the wages go down again.

What's no to like eh?
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Archie
How come the EU nations are struggling then?

Are Germany and France performing well these days?

And as for those on the remain side how many gave a toss that millions in this country were not doing all that well when we were in the EU?
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It's been a rough time. Covid and Ukraine are two obvious factors. But do you think wexare doing better. And are the millions not doing well before Brexit doing better now? Maybe it wasn't EU membership that was the cause of that?
 
As I've said numerous times before wages rise after the vote leave won.

Even Corbyn recognised that bosses exploited the foreign labour.

So did COVID and the war in Ukraine no stymie Brexit a wee bit?
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Na the EU would have still been what it is namely a center right pro big business greed is good entity.

Ah the old do as you are told or we won't let you play.

Rejoin will get their way eventually.

And workers can watch the wages go down again.

What's no to like eh?
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Yet look at the businesses that have been hammered by Brexit. What about their workers wages that have suffered? And the EU is centre right now? I thought part of the Leave campaign was it was too left wing?

We live in a capitalist world. Being in or out doesn't change that fundamental.
 
Just out of interest Archie how much has your life and lifestyle changed since we left the EU?
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
As I've said numerous times before wages rise after the vote leave won.

Even Corbyn recognised that bosses exploited the foreign labour.

So did COVID and the war in Ukraine no stymie Brexit a wee bit?
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Some wages rose and some didn't. There is no everybody wins option.
 
Archie said:
Yet look at the businesses that have been hammered by Brexit. What about their workers wages that have suffered? And the EU is centre right now? I thought part of the Leave campaign was it was too left wing?

We live in a capitalist world. Being in or out doesn't change that fundamental.
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What workers wages have suffered?

The EU has always been centre right.

It's a pro big business entity so why wouldn't it be?
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Just out of interest Archie how much has your life and lifestyle changed since we left the EU?
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My job wasn't directly affected. Obviously travel is more complicated and options to live in Europe are much more restricted. I appreciate not everyone is affected by that but millions are.
 
Archie said:
My job wasn't directly affected. Obviously travel is more complicated and options to live in Europe are much more restricted. I appreciate not everyone is affected by that but millions are.
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And millions in this country never earned enough wages to go travelling mate.

Not when they needed state money to top up their wages.

So how complicated is it to travel to the EU countries now then?

And how is it harder to live in Eu nations?
 
Archie said:
Yet it stood up to the tech titans and has introduced a number of workers rights.

www.theguardian.com

How Brexit has made Britain poorer – in charts

Forecasters were wrong about an immediate recession but right that we would be worse off outside the EU
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Pity it never stood up to big business that exploited cheap labour to make bigger profits.

Workers rights 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I give you the Viking and Laval ruling that stated a businesses right to make a profit superceded a workers right to take industrial action.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
And millions in this country never earned enough wages to go travelling mate.

Not when they needed state money to top up their wages.

So how complicated is it to travel to the EU countries now then?

And how is it harder to live in Eu nations?
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Passport controls as third country because limited to 90 days in 180 day period. Previously there was a right to stay as long ss you liked. Less access to local services than before.

And you're right, millions can't afford a holiday. But is it really a good thing to make it harder for those who can?
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Pity it never stood up to big business that exploited cheap labour to make bigger profits.

Workers rights 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I give you the Viking and Laval ruling that stated a businesses right to make a profit superceded a workers right to take industrial action.
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So Brexit has improved workers rights?
 
Archie said:
Passport controls as third country because limited to 90 days in 180 day period. Previously there was a right to stay as long ss you liked. Less access to local services than before.

And you're right, millions can't afford a holiday. But is it really a good thing to make it harder for those who can?
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Nope it's no a good thing.

But maybe if Remain had payed a bit of attention to those who could not afford to go abroad the result may have been different.

But they never.

Their lifestyle was good so they didn't give a toss mate.

As for having the right to stay in the EU I would guess the folk who did move onto mainland Europe had decent jobs.

Not much call for the trades though is there when they have ready supply of cheap labour to exploit.

And yes it's no nice having restrictions and having to queue when going abroad but it never stopped folk before the EU came into being from going abroad.
 
@GORDONSMITH7 , looks a good article but I haven’t managed to read it all as just on a T break at work . Do you think Brexit has been good for the rank and file of the UK, and do you think our future is brighter or darker for the outcome?

I voted remain, and my experiences of folk who voted the other way, was almost all about immigration concerns.
Well, at least it sorted that out for them , eh !!!!!!
My view, is that I have to grudgingly applaud Farage and Johnson to convince poor people to make themselves even poorer. It’s quite a feat. One look and listen to they two plebs sets my warning radar off that they are both insincere, slimy, deceitful over privelidged wankers.
I wouldn’t trust either of them to got to the shops for me, let alone influence my, or more importantly my kids future. But they have.
 
1 Mcnamara said:
@GORDONSMITH7 , looks a good article but I haven’t managed to read it all as just on a T break at work . Do you think Brexit has been good for the rank and file of the UK, and do you think our future is brighter or darker for the outcome?

I voted remain, and my experiences of folk who voted the other way, was almost all about immigration concerns.
Well, at least it sorted that out for them , eh !!!!!!
My view, is that I have to grudgingly applaud Farage and Johnson to convince poor people to make themselves even poorer. It’s quite a feat. One look and listen to they two plebs sets my warning radar off that they are both insincere, slimy, deceitful over privelidged wankers.
I wouldn’t trust either of them to got to the shops for me, let alone influence my, or more importantly my kids future. But they have.
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Got off the fence FFS :lollol
 
1 Mcnamara said:
Do you think Boris and Farage are decent sorts who only have the working man in their best interests?
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I don't.

But then I think our politicians don't have the working man's best interests at heart.

It's all about the profit the backers can make.

But for once my vote counted for something.

Now it's back to the same old same old.
 
1 Mcnamara said:
Do you think Boris and Farage are decent sorts who only have the working man in their best interests?
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Tom Brady Tuff GIF
 
It amazes me that there are those so pro Scottish independence because they want out of the political union of the UK, supposedly because they want the freedoms of independence, yet they're so desperate to be in the political union of the EU. The EU that means you're not 'independent'....
 
I mean obviously Blair, Brown, Cameron, Sturgeon and Swinney were champions of the working man.

If only I had listened to them.
 
Smurf said:
It amazes me that there are those so pro Scottish independence because they want out of the political union of the UK, supposedly because they want the freedoms of independence, yet they're so desperate to be in the political union of the EU. The EU that means you're not 'independent'....
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Shhhh that's the conundrum that's not to be mentioned.
 
Smurf said:
It amazes me that there are those so pro Scottish independence because they want out of the political union of the UK, supposedly because they want the freedoms of independence, yet they're so desperate to be in the political union of the EU. The EU that means you're not 'independent'....
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To be fair the SNP was fanatically anti EU. That position changed when they adopted the 'Indepence in Europe' policy. This sorted the hard border issue, at least it did until Brexit. After Brexit I think it was largely to pull on disaffected Remain voters.
 
I'm still of the opinion that if it had stayed as a trading block rather than a political behemoth all would have been well.
 
Smurf said:
It amazes me that there are those so pro Scottish independence because they want out of the political union of the UK, supposedly because they want the freedoms of independence, yet they're so desperate to be in the political union of the EU. The EU that means you're not 'independent'....
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It amazed ( and saddened) me, that’s folks were happy to stay tied to the absolute shitshow which is Westminster. Boris even said out loud than a pound spent in Croydon was of more value than one spent in Strathclyde, and still we voted to remain their bitch! I will never figure that one out.
As was proved by brexit, if you want out , you just leave, you do not need their permission. That seems more a fair union.
 
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