Will you download the Covid-19 app?

Will you download the Covid-19 app?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 28.2%
  • No

    Votes: 28 71.8%

  • Total voters
    39

PILTONSTANY

Shameless Radge
Bounce Radge
One of my good pals on this website life is in danger if he contracts it,his wife works in a nursing home.
That’s the difference from Flu.
 

AG1337

Bounce Radge
It's my fucking opinion for fuck sake, nothing insensitive at all.
Fair enough re your opinion.
Your comparison of Covid and flu mortality rates might not be that far off either.

The fact is though that we are currently bang in the middle of this epidemic with the virus, to some extent, killing indiscriminately.

Maybe your comment was just stating facts and was not as flippant as I initially interpreted it. If that is the case then I apologise.

That all said, I dong think anyone who has lost a loved one due to COVID will think about comparison with flu and it’s risks to health. That was the main reason why I thought your post was insensitive.
 

AG1337

Bounce Radge
Fair enough re your opinion.
Your comparison of Covid and flu mortality rates might not be that far off either.

The fact is though that we are currently bang in the middle of this epidemic with the virus, to some extent, killing indiscriminately.

Maybe your comment was just stating facts and was not as flippant as I initially interpreted it. If that is the case then I apologise.

That all said, I don’t think anyone who has lost a loved one due to COVID will think about comparison with flu and it’s risks to health. That was the main reason why I thought your post was insensitive.
Fair enough re your opinion.
Your comparison of Covid and flu mortality rates might not be that far off either.

The fact is though that we are currently bang in the middle of this epidemic with the virus, to some extent, killing indiscriminately.

Maybe your comment was just stating facts and was not as flippant as I initially interpreted it. If that is the case then I apologise.

That all said, I don’t think anyone who has lost a loved one due to COVID will think about comparison with flu and it’s risks to life. That was the main reason why I thought your post was insensitive.
 

Greenmachine

Bounce Radge
I don't know who's right and who's wrong in all this. I am not a scientist or a medical person. One thing I am sure of is that there are far too many people who seem to be hanging all their hopes of a vaccine suddenly being found and the whole population being vaccinated and everything will just turn out rosy. A vaccine may never be found. IMO we are eventually going to have to learn to live with this virus in the same way we live with every virus. I think far more likely is a treatment will be found soon which can prevent people getting so ill with this virus that it hospitalises them, and also that will prevent people dying from it. We simply cannot just keep everyone in lockdown or living their everyday lives in terror for the next year or so having to stand 2 metres away from any other human being outside their household. The economy urgently needs to get started again, and we cannot just sit back and watch the likes of the leisure industry, the licensed trade, hospitality, sport, and the tourism industry just collapse in front of our eyes with all the social and economic disaster that would entail. I stand by my opinion that social distancing is going to physically impossible for people to sustain in much of our society for any sustained period of time.
 
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HenryLB

Donator
Bounce Radge
I don't know who's right and who's wrong in all this. I am not a scientist or a medical person. One thing I am sure of is that there are far too many people who seem to be hanging all their hopes of a vaccine suddenly being found and the whole population being vaccinated and everything will just turn out rosy. A vaccine may never be found. IMO we are eventually going to have to learn to live with this virus in the same way we live with every virus. I think far more likely is a treatment will be found soon which can prevent people getting so ill with this virus that it hospitalises them, and also that will prevent people dying from it. We simply cannot just keep everyone in lockdown or living their everyday lives in terror for the next year or so having to stand 2 metres away from any other human being outside their household. The economy urgently needs to get started again, and we cannot just sit back and watch the likes of the leisure industry, the licensed trade, hospitality, sport, and the tourism industry just collapse in front of our eyes with all the social and economic disaster that would entail. I stand by my opinion that social distancing is going to physically impossible for people to sustain in much of our society for any sustained period of time.

I think you're right. With the same proviso that I'm not any kind of expert. Ultimately I don't think you'll get 'societal consent' (which you need to continue a lockdown in a society like ours) to wreck the economy and impoverish people in order to protect what is, ultimately, a small proportion of the population.

I'm not saying that's right or moral or that I agree with it. But would any country really trash their economy to save 50000 people (say, on the outside) who were, by most actuarial standards, going to die within a few years anyway? To be honest I doubt it.

And to be clear I think that's a grotesque and terrible choice to have to make. But in a sense it's not being made, not by an individual anyway. It'll be decided on a societal level by what people are willing to put up with, and my instinct - seeing people round us already giving up on lockdown, really - is that they'll decide to go back to normality or some version of it and that will have its consequences.
 

SuperTortolano

Bounce Radge
I agree. In order to succeed, what was needed was someone to tell the scientists they were wrong and take a bit of a cavalier risk. The idea that Labour, or indeed almost anyone, would have done this is... fanciful.

The biggest problem is the media. Anyone even slightly against the grain gets crucified. All that you see on the news are the numbers and negative stories on a daily basis. You could do the same thing with the regular flu and scare half the population by keeping a running ticker of the deaths and showing deaths of able and young people that have died from it.
 

paigntonhibby

Bounce Radge
I've said this before, it would be interesting to know how many have died with covid and how many because of it. They also seem to be putting most care home deaths as covid whether they've been tested or not.
 

Jack

Bounce Radge
I've said this before, it would be interesting to know how many have died with covid and how many because of it. They also seem to be putting most care home deaths as covid whether they've been tested or not.
Thing is the seasonal flu season has finished so anyone dying of flu like symptoms has probably got CV19. The doctors will also have access to the patients history.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

The "interesting" chart down the line will be the number passed away this year in comparison with the average of the last 5 years. It won't give details of those that have CV19 but also as a consequence.

Population of charts might give a decent indication for countries not quite up to the job of keeping detailed CV19 records but I can see the flaw there in that they might not be up to keeping decent population records!
 

greencol

Skivin cooncil Radge
Bounce Radge
The PDA that I use for work has a sat nav that uses Google maps. Most of the time it works fine but sometimes can be a couple of hundred yards out. Not much good for something that needs accuracy.
Especially is you live on a coast....

I'm with P&G on the reasoning for not using.
 

paigntonhibby

Bounce Radge
Thing is the seasonal flu season has finished so anyone dying of flu like symptoms has probably got CV19. The doctors will also have access to the patients history.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

The "interesting" chart down the line will be the number passed away this year in comparison with the average of the last 5 years. It won't give details of those that have CV19 but also as a consequence.

Population of charts might give a decent indication for countries not quite up to the job of keeping detailed CV19 records but I can see the flaw there in that they might not be up to keeping decent population records!
I agree with what you're saying Jack but you're missing my point. How many people would have died at that precise time anyway but just happened to test positive for covid. I also agree that the consequences of covid will be a factor in deaths of people who dont actually have it.
 

broonieboy

On holiday Radge
Bounce Radge
I don't know who's right and who's wrong in all this. I am not a scientist or a medical person. One thing I am sure of is that there are far too many people who seem to be hanging all their hopes of a vaccine suddenly being found and the whole population being vaccinated and everything will just turn out rosy. A vaccine may never be found. IMO we are eventually going to have to learn to live with this virus in the same way we live with every virus. I think far more likely is a treatment will be found soon which can prevent people getting so ill with this virus that it hospitalises them, and also that will prevent people dying from it. We simply cannot just keep everyone in lockdown or living their everyday lives in terror for the next year or so having to stand 2 metres away from any other human being outside their household. The economy urgently needs to get started again, and we cannot just sit back and watch the likes of the leisure industry, the licensed trade, hospitality, sport, and the tourism industry just collapse in front of our eyes with all the social and economic disaster that would entail. I stand by my opinion that social distancing is going to physically impossible for people to sustain in much of our society for any sustained period of time.

Absolutely this


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Jack

Bounce Radge
I agree with what you're saying Jack but you're missing my point. How many people would have died at that precise time anyway but just happened to test positive for covid. I also agree that the consequences of covid will be a factor in deaths of people who dont actually have it.
That's the way they do it. They'll chuck down every contributing factor you might have died from.

Smoking is a great example of this. If you smoke that will be one of the reasons on the certificate even if you've been knocked down by a bus and squished. OK that's maybe a bit of an exaggeration but you get my drift.
 

PILTONSTANY

Shameless Radge
Bounce Radge
If I recall correctly that'll be £250m straight in the pocket of Boris & Co's pals for producing something unusable. They're becoming even more brazen than giving £13m to one of their pals for a fleet of ships that didn't exist during Brexit but I suppose at least the app actually exists!
Yip,If Putin did this it would be on the front pages.
They would’ve known it wasn’t going to work.
 

Jack

Bounce Radge
Yip,If Putin did this it would be on the front pages.
They would’ve known it wasn’t going to work.
I've no doubt the app works as intended.

It's how it works, just what is intended and how it was procured for me is the dubious things. It's just rotten to the core.

Incidentally the Putin regime did produce an app that worked in a similar way. It might not have produced headlines but it did draw a certain amount of concern from the civil rights movement and was reported by our MSM in a snooty, look down noses, isn't that awful sort of way.
 

SlovSam

Bounce Radge
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There is your excess deaths to date compared against a 5 year death average courtesy of the Financial Times across a range of countries.

This isn't the seasonal flu governments are dealing with here and I am surprised anyone still argues that point.?

This is also the excess deaths within the lockdown restrictions so the computer model calculations of expected deaths outwith lockdown in a more open economy are going to be a whole lot more.?.

Tough choices are on the way especially as the only disease ever totally eradicated by vaccinne is Smallpox.?
 

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