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Brainwrong

Brainwrong

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The Souther Yanks going hell for leather in erasing the Confederate shrines.

This kinda thing is already happening in the U.K. too, namely Bristol (Coulston Hall). With its demographic, I'm not too surprised. Can't imagine the veneration of people who enslaved your very recent ancestors would sit very well with anyone.

But, I struggle with this a little. It's far removed from the Taliban destroying 4000 year old Buddas in Afghanistan but it feels like it's on the same path. I'd prefer that a plaque was made making clear the non glorified history or, another statue erected beside it dedicated to people who fought their tyranny. However, I'm not black, I can't really say how this all feels at all, from that perspective.

If we erase these monuments, do we run the risk of forgetting certain things and, come 50 years past, risk repeating evil deeds? Or, is it really the only respectful thing to do?

I say, make a mockery of the original glorified criminals. Be creative. Spit on their legacy.

All we're doing with this erasure is fuelling the fires of hatred. Not that I want to give a little respect. But, if you do, you can rip the pish far more, using your brain rather than your brawn.

Thoughts?




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There's something similar going on in Poland. The ruling party are taking down monuments to the "liberating" Red Army. As you can imagine, the Russkies ain't happy.

Why all the monuments to the Confederates, they lost. Surely a large museum telling an unbiased narrative of the Civil War is the best place for these monuments. These statues are like the 12th Of July parades in Ulster, there to remind the oppressed minority where there place is.
 
Ah, yes, I mind that thing in Poland now you mention it.

These Confederate statues were erected well after, in the years after, decades perhaps, after the civil war ended. So, it was total defiance. Just like, as you say, the parades in Ulster i.e. Total defiance.


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I just read that a lot of the Confederate monuments were erected in the Jim Crow era. That is some PROPER obstinance.

Funny how these kants would be precisely the folk to say 'get over it, you lost'.

Tell you what's lost, irony.


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Brainwrong said:
I just read that a lot of the Confederate monuments were erected in the Jim Crow era. That is some PROPER obstinance.

Funny how these kants would be precisely the folk to say 'get over it, you lost'.

Tell you what's lost, irony.


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There's an amusing tendency to call them 'participation prizes' amongst some on Twitter. Quite funny given that - as you say - they're just the sorts who hate that.
 
aggie said:
Toppling statues? Here’s why Nelson’s column should be next | Afua Hirsch | Opinion | The Guardian

Nelson's Column next.

I personally think folk need to get a fcukin grip. It's hardly the biggest problem needing addressed, is it?

You might as well start tearing down churches and mosques, if the sins of the past are to be erased in their physical, monumental forms. Wonder if the thought police would condone that? Like fcuk they would.
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Yes please.

Can we include temples and synagogues too, or am I being greedy?
 
Think it's a nonsense taking down statues. Problem is where does it end. Had this discussion with a yank that thought it was great. I said why not just give all the Native Indians back there land and call it good. You can't erase history.
 
HenryLB said:
There's an amusing tendency to call them 'participation prizes' amongst some on Twitter. Quite funny given that - as you say - they're just the sorts who hate that.
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That's brilliant!


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Are they trying to erase history?

There's lots of things happened in the past and were done within the moral standards of the time.

It's not necessarily right but if we don't remember how far we've moved on who soon will it be till we're back there in the bad old days?

It's like comparing footballers and football teams from different eras. It doesn't work.
 
Chester Perry said:
These statues are like the 12th Of July parades in Ulster, there to remind the oppressed minority where there place is.
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exactly - statues given prominent positions in a public space by the state are political acts, they say much about the values of that state. They can be commemorative in nature but they arent really an attempt to tell/recognise 'history' - there are far better ways of doing that. where provocative there should be a debate about whether they should be kept.
 
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