The Hypocrisy of Our Unelected First Minister

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Next thing we will be paying China to build us roads on the belt and roads initiative. I have an idea, lets start making our own clothing and shoes and electricals.
 
Davy said:
Next thing we will be paying China to build us roads on the belt and roads initiative. I have an idea, lets start making our own clothing and shoes and electricals.
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Or building a WALL, the only way we’ll get separation under his stewardship 😡
 
I think this is unfair. There's nothing wrong with such a meeting as long as it's properly organised. Also, he's not unelected - he's elected by the Parliament. I know this is previous SNP rhetoric coming back to bite them, but it wasn't fair then and it isn't fair now.
 
Archie said:
I think this is unfair. There's nothing wrong with such a meeting as long as it's properly organised. Also, he's not unelected - he's elected by the Parliament. I know this is previous SNP rhetoric coming back to bite them, but it wasn't fair then and it isn't fair now.
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I wonder why he didn't raise the Uyghur genocide?
 
Archie said:
I think this is unfair. There's nothing wrong with such a meeting as long as it's properly organised. Also, he's not unelected - he's elected by the Parliament. I know this is previous SNP rhetoric coming back to bite them, but it wasn't fair then and it isn't fair now.
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Do you believe Scotland should seek to build relationships with a totalitarian regime that persecutes Muslims and others?
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
I actually think you are on a perpetual wind up M.
Your daft SNP fascistal nonsense was dealt by Gareth .
To be honest I have only met you once and thank you forever and always will.


BIG G
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The pleasure was all mine, setting circumstances aside. It may not be the last time you know.

Anyway, I'm not on the wind up at least not just for mischief. If it's a wind up to point out rank double standards which I am far from convinced do not come from dark motives, well in that case guilty.
 
Jack said:
Do you buy stuff made in China?
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I prefer not to. I certainly prefer my country not to seek to forge relationships with a totalitarian state which viciously subjugates minorities and dissenters.

In fact I think boycott, divestment and sanctions would be more appropriate.
 
egb_hibs said:
I prefer not to. I certainly prefer my country not to seek to forge relationships with a totalitarian state which viciously subjugates minorities and dissenters.

In fact I think boycott, divestment and sanctions would be more appropriate.
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So you do still buy stuff from China?

I suspect in many instances its a case of little or no choice for an alternative.

But you saying the FM is a hypocrite for the political equivalent 🙄
 
Jack said:
So you do still buy stuff from China?

I suspect in many instances its a case of little or no choice for an alternative.

But you saying the FM is a hypocrite for the political equivalent 🙄
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Well it’s a bit different. There is the alternatives point for one. On top of that there is a difference between the Scottish government not preventing Scottish businesses from working with China, and ‘seeking to build on a valuable relationship’. The latter is tacitly legitimising China.

To Smurf’s OP (I think) the Scottish government also like to pontificate about the ills of the world with considerable piety, so there’s that too.

Coming back to the question to me; I don’t know if I buy stuff from China but probably do. Because no I don’t check where every plastic fork or whatever comes from. For more substantial things I would consciously avoid China, but not necessarily with perfect consistency. More like one of these veggies that will occasionally scran a bacon piece. For sure if presented with equivalent products I’d pay more not to buy Chinese. Within reason natch ;))
 
Smurf said:
I wonder why he didn't raise the Uyghur genocide?
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TBF I don't think he should. The Chinese Consul will be much more experienced than FM in these matters and, whatever you think of the constitutional settlement, as it stands he has to align with UK foreign policy.
 
egb_hibs said:
Do you believe Scotland should seek to build relationships with a totalitarian regime that persecutes Muslims and others?
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I think there is a real politik at play. There's a lot of countries we wouldn't talk to if we adopted that approach. I tend to favour dialogue and engagement as a way to drive change. I accept that hasn't worked to date with China.
 
Archie said:
TBF I don't think he should. The Chinese Consul will be much more experienced than FM in these matters and, whatever you think of the constitutional settlement, as it stands he has to align with UK foreign policy.
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And yet he speaks openly and critically in other foreign policy areas?

He's a hypocrite.
 
Isn't that the guy that roasted the UK?
I saw a clip of him being interviewed and he basically said China is no competition to Britain. Theyre bigger than us at everything, cars, ev, micro processors yada yada
It's just a small little place with nothing to offer and should embrace them.

Or something pretty similar.
Sounded like a bitch slap.
 
Archie said:
I think there is a real politik at play. There's a lot of countries we wouldn't talk to if we adopted that approach. I tend to favour dialogue and engagement as a way to drive change. I accept that hasn't worked to date with China.
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Ok but presumably you would agree that they should get off their high horse re Israel, for example, if we’re going to be McKissingers?

China won’t change, we’re becoming more like them than the other way round. Western hubris seems bottomless.
 
Hammi said:
Isn't that the guy that roasted the UK?
I saw a clip of him being interviewed and he basically said China is no competition to Britain. Theyre bigger than us at everything, cars, ev, micro processors yada yada
It's just a small little place with nothing to offer and should embrace them.

Or something pretty similar.
Sounded like a bitch slap.
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There are 19 cities in China with a population bigger than Scotland. The guy is right tbf.
 
egb_hibs said:
Ok but presumably you would agree that they should get off their high horse re Israel, for example, if we’re going to be McKissingers?

China won’t change, we’re becoming more like them than the other way round. Western hubris seems bottomless.
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Who should get off their high horse?
 
Archie said:
I think having votes on a ceasefire that you don't control and will be ignored by all combatants is pretty cynical.
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Well on that I completely agree. I mean one of the key thrusts, albeit implicit and denied when challenged, thrusts of rabid nats is to opt out of the mucky stuff big countries have to deal with. This situation embodies it to a T; slate the yids like the bunch of middle aged students unioners they are, cowtow to the CCP like the same, but put some skin in the game…not so much. And yet they still expect to be listened to, as if they’re something more than a slightly less modern version of the council in chinas twentieth largest city.
 
Beagle said:
Turkey is a NATO member and is therefore a military ally to the UK. Or do we just put that aside?
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That's completely irrelevant. This is about his blatant hypocrisy. Happy to spout off about Israel yet invites the president of a country that continues to deny its genocide against the Kurds, continues its illegal occupation of Cyprus and has a terrible human rights record. I doubt he would so quick to extend the same courtesy to Netanyahu.
 
Sancho Panza said:
That's completely irrelevant. This is about his blatant hypocrisy. Happy to spout off about Israel yet invites the president of a country that continues to deny its genocide against the Kurds, continues its illegal occupation of Cyprus and has a terrible human rights record. I doubt he would so quick to extend the same courtesy to Netanyahu.
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Tbf Sancho, Erdogan isn't Jewish.
 
Sancho Panza said:
That's completely irrelevant. This is about his blatant hypocrisy. Happy to spout off about Israel yet invites the president of a country that continues to deny its genocide against the Kurds, continues its illegal occupation of Cyprus and has a terrible human rights record. I doubt he would so quick to extend the same courtesy to Netanyahu.
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I would hope not in the latter case. I maybe be wrong but there’s only one of those two facing sanction from the UN on their human rights record.
 
Beagle said:
I would hope not in the latter case. I maybe be wrong but there’s only one of those two facing sanction from the UN on their human rights record.
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And why, we wonder, might that be?

This is, in fact, the whole point with the UN and why they are utterly discredited.
 
Beagle said:
I would hope not in the latter case. I maybe be wrong but there’s only one of those two facing sanction from the UN on their human rights record.
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That'll be the same UN that refused to pass a resolution condemning the Hamas pogrom of 7 October? That UN? The UN whose human rights Chair is Iran? That UN? 🤔
 
Sancho Panza said:
That'll be the same UN that refused to pass a resolution condemning the Hamas pogrom of 7 October? That UN? The UN whose human rights Chair is Iran? That UN? 🤔
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The Turkish campaign against the Kurds has cost more lives than Israel / Palestine until recent events - and fck knows what Erdogan would do in response to an October 7th type event, but it wouldn't be pretty.

Turkey illegally occupies Northern Cyprus and has ethnically cleansed its population. This the result of imperialism and invasion not the UN establishing a country, then subject to invasion and now holding land it took while repelling that invasion.

Turkey regularly threatens Greece in Putinesque fashion; has a brutal legacy of genocide and further ethnic cleansing in the modern (ie c20 on) era; is a repressive society.

And yet Israel has been subject to more UN chastisement than all other countries combined. If anyone doesn't see this for what it is, they are in denial or fellow travelling with obvious bias.

Meanwhile, and naturally, its only a few years since anyone sceptical of admitting Turkey to the EU (even as it occupies the land of a member) was of course a waaaycist.
 
Sancho Panza said:
That'll be the same UN that refused to pass a resolution condemning the Hamas pogrom of 7 October? That UN? The UN whose human rights Chair is Iran? That UN? 🤔
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I read a piece the other day about the attack on 7th. The Israelis knew it was coming. Their frontline observation units told them for weeks (months?) what was happening and they were ‘ignored’. They were left exposed by government and senior leadership because the insurgency was welcomed. It gave them the excuse they wanted.
 
Perhaps Humza is just trying to turn us into one of those developing world countries that hang off the coat tails of all the world's bad guys, selling themselves as a pawn on the board?

Or perhaps its just the SNPs green-guided leftward drift, within which tradition allying with all the world's bad guys is intrinsic.
 
Davy said:
Next thing we will be paying China to build us roads on the belt and roads initiative. I have an idea, lets start making our own clothing and shoes and electricals.
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If we'd given the Chinese the contract to build the trams they might have been finished 10 years ago, on budget, and with the full loop round Edinburgh.
 
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