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The Election Poll

Election Vote

  • Greens

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 62 70.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 12 13.6%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Tory

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • No One

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • The Brexit Party

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Other Nationalist

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other Unionist

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    88

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I hope neither labour nor th torys get a large enough majority to push through any radical unpopular right or left wing ideology based policies unopposed . I dont trust Boris to not get shafted by the yanks in a trade deal and I dont trust corbyn with the security and defence of the country. I dont trust boris with the care of
The same IFS that praised austerity... They've got a political agenda.

I'm still torn between Labour and the SNP. My issue as such with the SNP is that all they talk about is their conditions to support a minority Labour Government. What's their course of action should we get a Tory minority or majority government?
I could be wrong but have they no' said they widnae support a Tory govt.
 

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I'm still torn between Labour and the SNP. My issue as such with the SNP is that all they talk about is their conditions to support a minority Labour Government. What's their course of action should we get a Tory minority or majority government?
In what way?
 

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They'll be able to do nothing about a Tory Majority government and there won't be a minority Tory government because that would mean Labour/SNP could form a coalition government on the basis that no one would with sufficient numbers would support the tories.
 

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A question for my Nationalist amigos....

Hypothetically if the situation arises in two weeks time that the Tories do not get a majority but the Labour Party can get a Government together with the support of the SNP, whether the mechanism were a coalition (ruled out by Nichola Sturgeon ) or confidence and supply, the red lines talked about so often, the immovable red lines.
The first red line of course is the question of Indyref2 taking place next year and the second the scrapping of Trident. Whether Jeremy, myself and 70% of the 500,000 members who would scrap Trident want it or not the supreme body as, is that of the SNP, is annual Conference. The Trade Unions opposed it because of their worry of the loss of thousands of their members jobs. That is another debate, however the fact is that Corbyn, nor anyone else can change that. Only the Conference can.
So what would you do? Compromise or not cross those red lines and de facto see the reactionaries back to continue their 10 years of devastation on workers and their families. I am too long in the tooth not to accept that compromise would apply to Labour too.

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I think the situation gets rather complicated if the arithmetic creates an opportunity for a coalition between SNP and a Corbyn government, for the simple reason that I think that whilst a) it creates a very strong position for the SNP to force through an Indyref it also b) makes it much less likely (imo) that they would win it. If a properly socialist UK government starts to deliver on its promises then I think that's something that a lot of Scots (me included) could get behind.
 

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I hope neither labour nor th torys get a large enough majority to push through any radical unpopular right or left wing ideology based policies unopposed . I dont trust Boris to not get shafted by the yanks in a trade deal and I dont trust corbyn with the security and defence of the country. I dont trust boris with the care of

I could be wrong but have they no' said they widnae support a Tory govt.
I think that's obvious that they wouldn't! My point relates to how under such circumstances they push for Indy Ref 2....
 

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In what way?
In the way Boris will say no to any requests for a referendum. What's their strategy to overcome that. Personally I'd like to see them proceed with the referendum anyway....
 

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They'll be able to do nothing about a Tory Majority government and there won't be a minority Tory government because that would mean Labour/SNP could form a coalition government on the basis that no one would with sufficient numbers would support the tories.
DUP will do a deal with the Tories for any minority Tory Government.
 

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I think the situation gets rather complicated if the arithmetic creates an opportunity for a coalition between SNP and a Corbyn government, for the simple reason that I think that whilst a) it creates a very strong position for the SNP to force through an Indyref it also b) makes it much less likely (imo) that they would win it. If a properly socialist UK government starts to deliver on its promises then I think that's something that a lot of Scots (me included) could get behind.
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We've had Labour governments in the past. Did any of them treat this nation as an equal?
Therein lies my problem. They're unionists. They dont want separation.
They're promising us the world on a platter.
They've done it before. Who's to say these platitudes are any different from previous promises.
How many times does this nation need its arse kicked before it realises that its painful?
 

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I think the situation gets rather complicated if the arithmetic creates an opportunity for a coalition between SNP and a Corbyn government, for the simple reason that I think that whilst a) it creates a very strong position for the SNP to force through an Indyref it also b) makes it much less likely (imo) that they would win it. If a properly socialist UK government starts to deliver on its promises then I think that's something that a lot of Scots (me included) could get behind.
if a tory govt is a key driver for indy then a democratic socialist labour govt does slightly diminish the urgency (for me I am sure it changes nothing for many). BUT we would be crazy not to demand an early change in the law that'd enshrine the right to self determination at a future date, the current section 30 order process is anti democratic. I could be persuaded to put indy to the side for a while if we had that backstop and a clear process for exercising that right. Particularly if coupled with further devolution and a decentralisation process.
 

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In the way Boris will say no to any requests for a referendum. What's their strategy to overcome that. Personally I'd like to see them proceed with the referendum anyway....
Me too. I expect they will too.
 

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Johnson doesnt need to do feck all if the mrp poll is near right - prediction of tory majority of 68 including retaining 11 seats in Scotland - feck me

I was going to point out that the very same day every single right wing Tory supporting rag run this story on their front pages and MSM smacking their collective lip. The Telegraph, ***, the Daily Mail, Express, the Evening Standard, Sky News, the Metro etc,etc, however the very same rags did the same at the same point in campaign in 2017. Oops.

Harold Wilson famously said that a week is a long time in politics. Today one week late the Telegraph prostrates itself such....

Boris Johnson's predicted Commons majority slashed from 80 to 12 in a week, poll of polls reveals

Charles Hymas
29 NOVEMBER 2019 • 8:40 PM
Boris Johnson has seen his projected Commons majority slashed from 80 to just 12 seats in a week as Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party eats into the Conservatives’ lead, a poll of polls has revealed.

The survey - based on almost 10,000 voters - shows Jeremy Corbyn closing the gap on the Tories in the same way as Theresa May’s lead collapsed after her manifesto launch and her refusal to appear in TV debates.

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I dont trust corbyn with the security and defence of the country.
I'm intruiged by this one because I see it a lot.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but I'd like to know what that opinion is based on. Is it just his anti-nuke stance or is it a worry about left-wingers in general?

As far as I have seen in my lifetime (82-present) there has been more domestic terrorism under Tory led governments than Labour ones?
 
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interesting article on how Labour are sortof engaging in the constitutional question TRIBUNE, been so low key i have missed any discussion on that at all...

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constitutional transformation that can provide the best opportunity to renew the party’s agenda over five years of hard lessons about the limitations of the British state. The Labour manifesto promises a ‘constitutional convention’, led by a Citizen’s Assembly, to explore how the redistribution of wealth and economic institutions across Britain can be accompanied by a redistribution of democratic power. Scottish Labour’s own manifesto offers further detail on this, calling for a UK-wide ‘charter of rights’ that could form the embryo of a written constitution. This could include a range of economic, social and political rights, from welfare provision to trade union freedoms, which no devolved nation or region of the UK could diminish.....The UK and Scottish manifestos both propose replacing the House of Lords with a ‘Senate of the Nations and Regions’ to oversee this ‘rebalancing’ of British intergovernmental relations, ending the ‘hierarchy’ of Westminster over everything else and embracing a principle of ‘co-determination.’

Yet these proposals remain extremely vague, and should Labour win, one urgent priority for Scottish Labour will be to ensure that they do not fall by the wayside in the excitement of a new government.


its all interesting but the key point for me iis about priority and commitment - a confidence and supply agreement could secure it? I'd very much like to see a public debate on this between unionists, confederalists and independistas. SLabour should really be banging the drum on this and it is odd that they havent been
 

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I'm intruiged by this one because I see it a lot.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but I'd like to know what that opinion is based on. Is it just his anti-nuke stance or is it a worry about left-wingers in general?

As far as I have seen in my lifetime (82-present) there has been more domestic terrorism under Tory led governments than Labour ones?
Sorry , I $%#@ remember which conference/ speech it was I saw but corbyn was talking about loss of jobs/ unemployment and he he said something along the lines the only thing he wants to see losing jobs is the military. Cannae remember exactly without spending time looking it up, age is a badtard
 

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Sorry , I $%#@ remember which conference/ speech it was I saw but corbyn was talking about loss of jobs/ unemployment and he he said something along the lines the only thing he wants to see losing jobs is the military. Cannae remember exactly without spending time looking it up, age is a badtard
Dinnae think he has an anti nuke stance these days, but I'd like to see trident scrapped and some of the money put into building our conventional forces to a realistic level especially the navy which doesnt have enough ships to carry out its operational/ humanitarian duties now never mind being able to react if there's a threat
 

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A threat to Scotland or the uk ?we don't have enough to react to a poor fisherman trying to make a living oot in the sea's rescue vessel would leave fae doon south
 

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