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The Election Poll

Election Vote

  • Greens

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 61 68.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 14 15.7%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Tory

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • No One

    Votes: 2 2.2%
  • The Brexit Party

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Other Nationalist

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other Unionist

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    89

greencol

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Has anyone bothered about checking the SNP' s manifesto financial proposals? Or is it that the landslide for the SNP precludes that.

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I saw it on the news at lunchtime , Gordon. ITV .
Labour, Conservative and Lib Dems( who allegedly have the most feasible manifesto) were mentioned.
No mention of SNP.
Scotland doesn't matter.
 

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Has anyone bothered about checking the SNP' s manifesto financial proposals? Or is it that the landslide for the SNP precludes that.

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The IFS has called out Labour and Conservative for talking financial shite but instead o' getting tore in aboot them ye come on and have a go at the SNP who wirnae even mentioned Gordon. Most SNP supporters on here concede that the party isnae perfect but most are using it as a means tae an end . It would be good if some of you Corbynites came on here when they're found out and admit that when it comes tae stretching the truth and promising what they cannae deliver they're as bad as everybody else.
 

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Would be interesting to see how many of these homes went to Scottish people however.
I think in answer to this statement and the others and responses that stemmed from it, including the nationality questions.

The benefits folk get don't rely on being born in a country but where you are resident at the time.

Benefits available in the UK and Scotland (some of ours are a wee bit different) are only available to those that can prove residency over a certain period.

It's not a question of nationality it's a question residency.
 

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Lcomes tae stretching the truth and promising what they cannae deliver they're as bad as everybody else.
Gordon. Most SNP supporters on here concede that the party isnae perfect but most are using it as a means tae an end . It would be good if some of your Corbynite friends came on here when they're found out and admit that when it comes tae stretching the truth and promising what they cannae deliver they're as bad as everybody else.
As far as I can see I am the only person on the Bounce, who has been a Party member for 50 years, and has not been uncritically of Party policy particularly Blair and the right wing Tory Blairites. I have genuine disagreements with LP policy on a so called Peoples Vote. Devisive in my opinion but as I have said on here, Tony I could not vote for either option because of my objections to both politically. It's all on here mate, have a search. My means to my end cannae be shortcut.

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Has anyone bothered about checking the SNP' s manifesto financial proposals? Or is it that the landslide for the SNP precludes that.

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The SNP could ( and probably do) offer pie in the sky nonsense too, but they'll never have to implement it , so it makes no difference. Same applies to Lib Dems I suppose. The only manifestos that matter in a GE are Labour and Tory, and both have been shown up to be unrealistic. The Labour one obviously sounds more appealing but it would appear from independent verification it's pie in the sky. Same as tories.

So we're pretty much going tobe governed by one of two parties making undeliverable promises.
 

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Tory Party and Anti Semitism . Some perspective please.....


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Tory Party and Anti Semitism . Some perspective please....


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I think its absurd to assume that any political party doesn't have members with some kind of prejudice.
This crap on Corbyn is simply that. Crap.
No doubt there will be anti semites in his party, just are there will be in every party.
Along with every other kind of prejudice you care to mention.
Too many people in the Labour movement to stick under one umbrella.
Same with tories, Lib Dems ,SNP ,Greens.....etcetera.
 

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The SNP could ( and probably do) offer pie in the sky nonsense too, but they'll never have to implement it , so it makes no difference. Same applies to Lib Dems I suppose. The only manifestos that matter in a GE are Labour and Tory, and both have been shown up to be unrealistic. The Labour one obviously sounds more appealing but it would appear from independent verification it's pie in the sky. Same as tories.

So we're pretty much going tobe governed by one of two parties making undeliverable promises.
The fact that we sometimes differ on here should not , and better not stop you buying me a beer next time I'm up GGTTH
 

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Has anyone bothered about checking the SNP' s manifesto financial proposals? Or is it that the landslide for the SNP precludes that.

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The SNP can say what they like in Westminster, they don't have the power to sway things financially and are roundly ignored by the other parties.

I think what I've seen and heard about their manifesto is pretty decent but its implementation is reliant on holding the balance of power and therefore influence.

Fight the battles you have a chance of winning.
 

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The Institute for Fiscal Studies are in no way independent or impartial.
I agree K. Nobody ever challenges them, the reverence towards them is on par with that given to Sir John Curtice, who whilst a knowledgeable bloke in his field, does get it wrong sometimes. Don't we all.

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A question for my Nationalist amigos.....

Hypothetically if the situation arises in two weeks time that the Tories do not get a majority but the Labour Party can get a Government together with the support of the SNP, whether the mechanism were a coalition (ruled out by Nichola Sturgeon ) or confidence and supply, the red lines talked about so often, the immovable red lines.
The first red line of course is the question of Indyref2 taking place next year and the second the scrapping of Trident. Whether Jeremy, myself and 70% of the 500,000 members who would scrap Trident want it or not the supreme body as, is that of the SNP, is annual Conference. The Trade Unions opposed it because of their worry of the loss of thousands of their members jobs. That is another debate, however the fact is that Corbyn, nor anyone else can change that. Only the Conference can.
So what would you do? Compromise or not cross those red lines and de facto see the reactionaries back to continue their 10 years of devastation on workers and their families. I am too long in the tooth not to accept that compromise would apply to Labour too.

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There's plenty motions approved at Conference that havent made it into labours manifesto, I think things would be more malleable than you suggest.... Trident is an open door for Jezza. In addition I'd settle for 2021
 
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A question for my Nationalist amigos....

Hypothetically if the situation arises in two weeks time that the Tories do not get a majority but the Labour Party can get a Government together with the support of the SNP, whether the mechanism were a coalition (ruled out by Nichola Sturgeon ) or confidence and supply, the red lines talked about so often, the immovable red lines.
The first red line of course is the question of Indyref2 taking place next year and the second the scrapping of Trident. Whether Jeremy, myself and 70% of the 500,000 members who would scrap Trident want it or not the supreme body as, is that of the SNP, is annual Conference. The Trade Unions opposed it because of their worry of the loss of thousands of their members jobs. That is another debate, however the fact is that Corbyn, nor anyone else can change that. Only the Conference can.
So what would you do? Compromise or not cross those red lines and de facto see the reactionaries back to continue their 10 years of devastation on workers and their families. I am too long in the tooth not to accept that compromise would apply to Labour too.

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I've seen so many red lines in all my years, I didn't realise they were red lines in my younger years, but I've never seen so many red lines as I've seen in the last 3 years!

The only red lines that appeared immovable were in fact formed by the intransigent Tory blue lines set by their right wing in fear of Farage.

Pre election red lines in normal politics are as pink as fuck!

The SNP know how to work as a minority government having been through 2? terms in the Scottish Parliament. If the opportunity arises I hope Labour in Westminster are as savvy.
 

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There's plenty motions approved at Conference that havent made it into labours manifesto, I think things would be more malleable than you suggest.... Trident is an open door for Jezza. In addition I'd settle for 2021
Me too, 2021. I do think the SNP will consider a coalition with Labour, regardless of current posturing.
 

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2021 would be fine by me. Trident, we have to accept that for however long The UK exists, nuclear submarines and missiles will be based in Scotland ( and for a decade or so longer after any independence victory too)

There does seem to be a school of thought that March next year could see big issues for The SNP, depending on how much you believe Nicola Sturgeon knows ( and when she knew) about any of the serious allegations made against alex Salmond. Could get dicey.
 

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The same IFS that praised austerity... They've got a political agenda.

I'm still torn between Labour and the SNP. My issue as such with the SNP is that all they talk about is their conditions to support a minority Labour Government. What's their course of action should we get a Tory minority or majority government?
 

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