The Election poll.........pt 2.

[moathibby]

And there you have it.The Eu is a big business endeaviour for and on behalf of the elite.If you happen to be a small country with a small economy you certainly don't get out of it the same as Germany and France.It's skewed in favour of these two and anyone who thinks it's a partnership of equals is living in cloud cookoo land.If you do as both Ireland and Greece have done and vote against it you get made to retake the vote.

 

[Rocky]

Your blethering shite.
Who are these unelected representatives you've dreamed up?

You're wasting your time. That level of ignorance after 3 and a half years of this pish is wilful.

 

[Rocky]

And there you have it.The Eu is a big business endeaviour for and on behalf of the elite.If you happen to be a small country with a small economy you certainly don't get out of it the same as Germany and France.It's skewed in favour of these two and anyone who thinks it's a partnership of equals is living in cloud cookoo land.If you do as both Ireland and Greece have done and vote against it you get made to retake the vote.

Moaty me old chum, I agree in principle with a lot of what you say. But idealism achieved JC precisely the square root of fuck all. We need to fight this smarter.

 

[moathibby]

Ok take this in.The percentage of people voting Labour yesterday was larger than in 2010 and 2014.So the idea that Corbyn is a failure doesn't wash.

 

[Rocky]

Ok take this in.The percentage of people voting Labour yesterday was larger than in 2010 and 2014.So the idea that Corbyn is a failure doesn't wash.

He didn't beat a man who hid in a fridge

 

[Ryan69]

In what way is it not democratically run?

Who actually votes in the European commision?

That is an absolute mystery!

 

[paigntonhibby]

Ok take this in.The percentage of people voting Labour yesterday was larger than in 2010 and 2014.So the idea that Corbyn is a failure doesn't wash.

Slightly misleading statement moaty , just over 10 million voted for corbyn compared to just under 13 million in2017 . The reason the % might be up is because turnout was lower, let's face it corbyn hasn't been a RIP roaring success and with a credible leader labour would've done a lot better

 

[paigntonhibby]

The fact is I don't really give a shit about the 'fishermen'. The idea of poor wee men in boats fighting for their existence is a myth.

The article linked below shows despite 'being shafted by the EU' a lot of these poor fishermen top The Times rich list; 80% of English quotas are held by multimillionaires or UK fishing quotas have been sold overseas by the government.

These millionaires, who incidentally received huge EU grants to upgrade their boats to factory ships, naively think the Torys won't use them as a bargaining chip and they'll be able to fish the seas dry. The Torys would sell their grannies for a quick buck.I

Would a Scottish Government do any different. I don't know but with millions in the bank and upgraded ships the EU has served them well.

Revealed: the millionaires hoarding UK fishing rights

A painstaking five-month long investigation shows that a small group of wealthy families control huge swathes of the country’s fishing quota

unearthed.greenpeace.org

You're the one that brought up agriculture and fisheries

 

[PILTONSTANY]

The Tories have been in charge for 9 years with policies that picked on the weakest in society and been in involved in numerous scandals,in that time Labour and Corbyn have failed to land a single blow on them in parliament.

Labour and Corbyn have been fucking useless as an opposition and this election has shown them up.

 

[Jack]

You're the one that brought up agriculture and fisheries

It was just an example of where Scotland would have better representation when deals are being negotiated at EU level. Currently Scotland has no say and is roundly ignored by the representatives that are supposed to be looking after it - all the other bits and bobs too.

I'm sure we can trust the Torys to look after our best interests in a post Brexit UK - not.

It also illustrates that while I am a firm believer in Europe I'll be one of the first to agree it's far from perfect, far from it. However if, as we are led to believe, the EU is still our biggest trading partner after brexit the fact is the UK will still be bound by EU regulations ... except by that time we will have no influence on these regulations whatsoever.

 

[greencol]

Who actually votes in the European commision?

That is an absolute mystery!

Really? No mystery.
The workings of the EU Commision can be found on umpteen pages of info. on the EU.
You've either ignored what it says, or are simply shit stirring.

 

[southfieldhibby]

Who actually votes in the European commision?

That is an absolute mystery!

It's not a mystery. Each Country nominates a commissioner, from memory Leon Brittan was one for ages. So no one actually votes for one, but each country ( including UK) has representation. One of the 28 is then nominated to be president - Juncker is the most recent one we've all heard of. It's all perfectly democratic.

So we vote for our MEPs, the government of the day at Westminster decided who they want as their commissioner and then they all work pretty well together to make Europe on the whole a pretty decent place to live.

Until some brat decides to fuck it all up.

 

[aggie]

We keep being told to show solidarity with the working class in England instead of voting for Indy but the working class of England just voted Tory....

So true.


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[southfieldhibby]

A combination of the catchy 'get brexit done' slogan, the way Corbyn has been demonised by a right wing press owned by total bastards and I have to say, the ignorance mixed with misplaced arrogance and xenophobia that's crept into middle England made it a dark day.

Can understand how genuine Scottish Labour and Socialist guys in Scotland feel affinity with their comrades in England, but with the exception of Liverpool probably, fuck them. They've made it perfectly clear that Brexit is priority 1 and Corbyn is essentially an IRA stooge. Fuck them.

 

[moathibby]

The Tories have been in charge for 9 years with policies that picked on the weakest in society and been in involved in numerous scandals,in that time Labour and Corbyn have failed to land a single blow on them in parliament.

Labour and Corbyn have been fucking useless as an opposition and this election has shown them up.

How many times was the brexit deal lost again?

 

[moathibby]

Why has Corbyn overseen three Tory leadership changes?

 

[moathibby]

For a more detailed analysis of what actually happened look up Lord Ashcroft's site.

 

[tayside hibee]

Yet again , and I'm aware I am a bore, But it reeks of
LET'S GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS PLACE

 

[Purple & Green]

For a more detailed analysis of what actually happened look up Lord Ashcroft's site.

well worth a read but truly frightening.

i suspect easily enough info in there to win an Indy vote.

the youth who have to endure the policies, vote differenly.

47% of England voted Tory. If you take out the under 45s I suspect it’s nearer 75%. Scary.

 

[bigmanandy]

P48 of the Tory manifesto currently trending.

We will ensure that judicial review is available to protect the rights of the individuals against an overbearing state, while ensuring that it is not abused to conduct politics by another means or to create needless delays.

Dictatorship in full flow.

 

[PILTONSTANY]

How many times was the brexit deal lost again?

It hasn’t been lost,it’s going through with a bigger mandate than it did before the election.

You have to ask questions when working class areas are voting Tory,they’ve totally rejected Corbyn and Labour.

 

[Greenmachine]

It hasn’t been lost,it’s going through with a bigger mandate than it did before the election.

You have to ask questions when working class areas are voting Tory,they’ve totally rejected Corbyn and Labour.

The main reason these areas voted Tory was to get Britain out the EU by the end of January. They were more bothered about that happening than the small consequence of inflicting another 5 or more likely 10 years of Tory rule upon the UK. An unpopular Labour leader like Corbyn and his cronies running the party just made it even less likely they would vote Labour.

 

[greencol]

It hasn’t been lost,it’s going through with a bigger mandate than it did before the election.

You have to ask questions when working class areas are voting Tory,they’ve totally rejected Corbyn and Labour.

It's because what we older guys called 'working class' does not exist as it did 50-70 years ago.
Coal industry. Steel. Shipbuilding. Construction on a massive scale. Car Industry.
Major industries in the UK( in Scotland more so) have all but disappeared. The jobs went with them.
Brexit HAS had a big say in this election, no question. Those voting for Johnson actually believe it's the fault of the EU and freedom of movement/immigration.
Nothing to do with the decimation of manufacturing industry.
By the same party Blow Job represents.



Blue collars have turned white. Especially in the North of england

 

[Two Headed Boy]

The reason the Tories are mopping up in working class areas in England is a masterclass in machiavellian mind games.

They've given England's underclass a plethora of excuses for their plight to a point that all hope seems like pie-in-sky bullshit.

How could Corbyn possibly pay for all this stuff that would improve their lives when immigrants, the subsidised jocks and unelected vultures in the EU are taking all the money?

There is a lot of anger out there and the Tories have used that to their advantage. Labour could have channeled it too but faceless bankers and hedge fund managers don't conform to easily targeted stereotypes.

 

[PILTONSTANY]

Good read here...

This Labour meltdown has been building for decades | Aditya Chakrabortty

The party has no God-given right to expect votes, let alone to govern, says Guardian columnist Aditya Chakrabortty

www.theguardian.com

 

[1875]

Another good read here...

Scotland isn't different, it's Britain that's bizarre

Britain is in a state of self denial, sitting at the bottom of European league tables, but convinced it still rules the waves. The aspirations of the SNP may seem ambitious, but all they are really proposing is to be a normal European country.

www.opendemocracy.net

 

[aggie]

Another good read here...

Scotland isn't different, it's Britain that's bizarre

Britain is in a state of self denial, sitting at the bottom of European league tables, but convinced it still rules the waves. The aspirations of the SNP may seem ambitious, but all they are really proposing is to be a normal European country.

www.opendemocracy.net

This is excellent, and for me encapsulates the narrative that we should be pushing. It's in a way the perfect riposte to the "milk & Honey" mockers.