Strachan's Scotland Squad....

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Two Headed Boy

Two Headed Boy

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...is pretty much the same as Potter's :doh

Goalkeepers: Matt Gilks, David Marshall, Allan McGregor

Defenders: Phil Bardsley, Christophe Berra, Gary Caldwell, Grant Hanley, Alan Hutton, Russell Martin, Charlie Mulgrew, Lee Wallace, Andy Webster.

Midfielders: Charlie Adam, Scott Brown, Chris Burke, Kris Commons, James Forrest, James McArthur, James Morrison, Matt Phillips, Robert Snodgrass.

Forwards: Steven Fletcher, Ross McCormack, Jamie Mackie, Shaun Maloney, Kenny Miller, Steven Naismith, Jordan Rhodes.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/...-to-scotland-squad-for-friendly-with-estonia/
 
Two Headed Boy said:
...is pretty much the same as Potter's :doh

Goalkeepers: Matt Gilks, David Marshall, Allan McGregor

Defenders: Phil Bardsley, Christophe Berra, Gary Caldwell, Grant Hanley, Alan Hutton, Russell Martin, Charlie Mulgrew, Lee Wallace, Andy Webster.

Midfielders: Charlie Adam, Scott Brown, Chris Burke, Kris Commons, James Forrest, James McArthur, James Morrison, Matt Phillips, Robert Snodgrass.

Forwards: Steven Fletcher, Ross McCormack, Jamie Mackie, Shaun Maloney, Kenny Miller, Steven Naismith, Jordan Rhodes.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/...-to-scotland-squad-for-friendly-with-estonia/
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It may be the same but its more about how he utilizes these players.... and im confident he will use them better than what Potter did with them
 
Perthhibee said:
It may be the same but its more about how he utilizes these players.... and im confident he will use them better than what Potter did with them
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That was my first thought when i saw this
 
I was in quite a jolly mood until I read that. By that time I got to the end I was reaching for the razor blades.

This squad is a bit like a wedding.

Something old -- Miller (give us a fucking break, will you!)
Something new -- Em, I did say a bit like
Something borrowed -- from England, Bardsley, Gilks, Commons, Phillips ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Something blue -- Wallace. A third division left back! Fuck off!
 
While it is pretty much the same squad.

What is he supposed to do? Not like we have a vast pool of players with quality in some way shape or form.

I don't really have any problems with the squad selection, except for maybe Wallace, argued on here the other week that players playing at such a low level shouldn't play, I hope he proves me wrong and shows that he still has high performance rates because he's not a bad footballer.
 
Hammi said:
While it is pretty much the same squad.

What is he supposed to do? Not like we have a vast pool of players with quality in some way shape or form.

I don't really have any problems with the squad selection, except for maybe Wallace, argued on here the other week that players playing at such a low level shouldn't play, I hope he proves me wrong and shows that he still has high performance rates because he's not a bad footballer.
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He shouldn't be in the squad end of. Its a blatantly political inclusion IMO, just to nip the "ex-Celtic-boss-is-victimising-us" sh!t from the Huns in the bud. With that in mind, i'll give Strachan the benefit of the doubt but future call-ups for 3rd Div players will result in unmitigated...

:bruce_h4h:
 
I agree he shouldnt be picked....

But what other left backs do we have?
 
Wont be paying any attention to that Scotland game.....

Third Division players - No thanks not playing at a high enough level.
 
OB1875 said:
I disagree about Wallace, got no problem with his inclusion at all.
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Can you explain your stance here, OB?

A cursory look at the division tables shows that The Rangers have conceded 18 goals in 22 games in Div3. Partick Thistle have conceded 20 goals in 20 games in Div1. Now I don't have a clue who plays at LB for Thistle but surely to God that guy merits a call-up ahead of Wallace?

:dunno:

As I said before, I believe his inclusion to be purely political and therefore, in footballing terms, utterly utterly wrong.
 
Sauzee's Teeth said:
Paul Dixon of Huddersfield. Not sure if he's injured or not though, mind you.
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If Dixon is fit he would be my choice for the left-back slot before Wallace...

As I have stated many times success at international level depends almost entirely on the quality of the players the manager has available to him. I think Scotland are a bit better than they were but some way short still of qualifying for a major tournament. Levein was emptied for the same reason as every manager is emptied...poor results. over a sustained period of time. I'm hoping Strachan is given a proper chance before the inevitable knives from the Glasgow media set start coming out again.
 
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GdanskHibee said:
Can you explain your stance here, OB?

A cursory look at the division tables shows that The Rangers have conceded 18 goals in 22 games in Div3. Partick Thistle have conceded 20 goals in 20 games in Div1. Now I don't have a clue who plays at LB for Thistle but surely to God that guy merits a call-up ahead of Wallace?

:dunno:

As I said before, I believe his inclusion to be purely political and therefore, in footballing terms, utterly utterly wrong.
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Course i can, but bare in mind it's only my opinion.

Your comparing to goal records which are the responsibility of 4 players, not 1. Just because Lee Wallace is playing in the 3rd Division, does not mean all of a sudden he is useless. Ok, he may not got tested to the exact level he does in the SPL, but to be quite honest, the difference in quality between the SPL and Division 3 these days is quite scary with how close it is at times (slightly exaggerated).

Lee stuck by a team and i think its quite commendable when he could have left. If he gets a game for Scotland and he's mince then he just gets horsed out, plain and simple but he deserves a chance to at least show if Division 3 has damaged his game or not.

He's one of their stand out players in that league as you would expect.
 
OB1875 said:
Course i can, but bare in mind it's only my opinion.

Your comparing to goal records which are the responsibility of 4 players, not 1. Just because Lee Wallace is playing in the 3rd Division, does not mean all of a sudden he is useless. Ok, he may not got tested to the exact level he does in the SPL, but to be quite honest, the difference in quality between the SPL and Division 3 these days is quite scary with how close it is at times (slightly exaggerated).

Lee stuck by a team and i think its quite commendable when he could have left. If he gets a game for Scotland and he's mince then he just gets horsed out, plain and simple but he deserves a chance to at least show if Division 3 has damaged his game or not.

He's one of their stand out players in that league as you would expect.
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I really don't see it that way i'm afraid. He was a decent player and still could be, in spite of what went down today. His game clearly has been affected but it's easy to comment in hindsight and I don't want to dwell on it.

That's not the point. He knew what he was doing when he chose to go to a Div3 club. He did it in order to earn (probable) cult status with Hunco fans and he knew that, in taking that path, he was forfeiting international football. He must've been as surprised as anyone to get a call-up because no international team selects players from the 4th tier of it's domestic set-up. It is madness.

As to the part in bold, to say that any player should be handed a Scotland shirt simply to test their ability is controversial enough in itself, but a Gunt-Hun hybrid plying his trade in the 3rd Div??? Get a grip, man!

:tuttut:
 
Lee Wallace should be nowhere near an international squad while he`s playing in the lower reaches of Scottish football. If there`s Celtc players in the squad then there has to be Huns in the squad....fuckin pathetic.

As an aside, if Wallace gets booed if he runs onto the pitch at Pittodrie, the weege media and Potter will still probably blame it on Hibs fans dissing an ex-gunt.
 
Edit - this post is in reply to gdansk but fritz got in first.

Yes that is exactly what I said, he should be handed a Scotland shirt to test his ability.

Due to this being posted on my phone and not being able remember the code for a sarcasm smiley, i've included this paragraph so no one is mistaken.
 
OB1875 said:
Edit - this post is in reply to gdansk but fritz got in first.

Yes that is exactly what I said, he should be handed a Scotland shirt to test his ability.

Due to this being posted on my phone and not being able remember the code for a sarcasm smiley, i've included this paragraph so no one is mistaken.
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Right, well I'm confused cos your original point didn't come across as sarcastic at all.

Straight answer: Prior to today, did you think his inclusion was ok?
 
Yes. Like i said I rate Lee Wallace as a player.

I completely understand people's opinion but i don't know how you can judge him in D3 as wingers etc aren't up to international standard. We all know Lee Wallace is international standard but has his game slipped due to division 3? The point I was trying to make is that, unless you out him up against that type of opposition, how can you make a snap judgement on his form?

He may well get ripped up for arse paper and that would be proof enough that d3 is having an adverse effect on his career.
 
OB1875 said:
Yes. Like i said I rate Lee Wallace as a player.

I completely understand people's opinion but i don't know how you can judge him in D3 as wingers etc aren't up to international standard. We all know Lee Wallace is international standard but has his game slipped due to division 3? The point I was trying to make is that, unless you out him up against that type of opposition, how can you make a snap judgement on his form?

He may well get ripped up for arse paper and that would be proof enough that d3 is having an adverse effect on his career.
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He was terrible against Dundee UTD today.
The first and last goals were lost due to his poor positioning and awareness of what was going on. Utd's second every player defending the ball is was culpable, so I suppose you could say he had a part in all 3.


Not good enough, not being tested enough and doesn't deserve a call up.
 
Hammi said:
He was terrible against Dundee UTD today.
The first and last goals were lost due to his poor positioning and awareness of what was going on. Utd's second every player defending the ball is was culpable, so I suppose you could say he had a part in all 3.


Not good enough, not being tested enough and doesn't deserve a call up.
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The Hun defence is about as good as Hibs defence was a couple of seasons ago. In fact, not even that good.
Dire today, and Wallace was indeed hopeless.

He is NOT worth a cap, but maybe it's a case of too little competition for places at international level.
 
Dr Shrink said:
The Hun defence is about as good as Hibs defence was a couple of seasons ago. In fact, not even that good.
Dire today, and Wallace was indeed hopeless.

He is NOT worth a cap, but maybe it's a case of too little competition for places at international level.
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Yeah there isn't much in the way of competition, Fox or Dixon are the only 2 that really jump out, maybe Crainey at Blackpool but I don't know much about him other than he's a Scottish left back with a whole host of games for Blackpool.
 
Lee Wallace is quoted as saying the third division is on a par with the SPL. If that's the case, how come third division Sevco were pumped out the cup, easily, by a mid table SPL side, and the third division side ended the game with 9 players ? If he has any ambition at all, he would do well to try to get fixed up with a professional team.
 
OB1875 said:
Yes. Like i said I rate Lee Wallace as a player.

I completely understand people's opinion but i don't know how you can judge him in D3 as wingers etc aren't up to international standard. We all know Lee Wallace is international standard but has his game slipped due to division 3? The point I was trying to make is that, unless you out him up against that type of opposition, how can you make a snap judgement on his form?

He may well get ripped up for arse paper and that would be proof enough that d3 is having an adverse effect on his career.
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And do you still think he's worth a call after the game yesterday?
I wasn't spitting as much blood as some about his call up originally, prior to this season he was imo Scotlands best left back. But blow me, he certainly isn't now! Shouldn't be anywhere near the squad, let alone in the team!
 
Is banned said:
And do you still think he's worth a call after the game yesterday?
I wasn't spitting as much blood as some about his call up originally, prior to this season he was imo Scotlands best left back. But blow me, he certainly isn't now! Shouldn't be anywhere near the squad, let alone in the team!
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After yesterday, i only seen part's of the game but wasn't overly impressed.
 
Is banned said:
He got a fine for this did he not guys, or is my memory as bad as the Docs?
Sure I've mentioned this to you before Bill, did/does his old boy work for the P.O?
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No sure Dave, he may have done, I've no seen him for a few years mate, but when I do I'll ask him.
 
hibbybilly said:
No sure Dave, he may have done, I've no seen him for a few years mate, but when I do I'll ask him.
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He got done for threatening to have bouncers shot.
But unlike Deek, "he was welcome back in their pubs" :roll:
 
Is banned said:
No worries mate, am probably talking pish as per lol
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for some reason I'm thinking he was in the plumbing trade Dave, but mibbe I'm talking pish tae mate.:giggle:
hattrick baker said:
He got done for threatening to have bouncers shot.
But unlike Deek, "he was welcome back in their pubs" :roll:
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I was meaning his old man Stu, but your right about the bouncers though, although there's no many on here that deserve tae be shot.:rascal:
 
hibbybilly said:
for some reason I'm thinking he was in the plumbing trade Dave, but mibbe I'm talking pish tae mate.:giggle:


I was meaning his old man Stu, but your right about the bouncers though, although there's no many on here that deserve tae be shot.:rascal:
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:doh

A few shots maybe
 
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