Smoking

[Purple & Green]

This seems quite a jump:

Rishi Sunak defends his plan to ban smoking for younger generation

The prime minister tells the BBC he backs the move because there is "no safe level of smoking".

www.bbc.co.uk

And I thought for a second that’s a good move by Rishi, despite being a Tory.

But with my cynical head on, I think it’s more likely just a play by the Tory party to extort more money out of the tobacco companies.

 

[Findlayhibby]

Banning smoking would just send it illegal so it just passes from one set of drugs Barron;s to the next in fact 'the legal side' and the 'mafia' side are so interwoven that it makes little difference.Like you say you can't tax the mafia.

 

[Dier - 1558]

I get the health side, but what taxes are they going to increase or introduce to make up for lost duty in revenue.

 

[Jack]

I'm thinking that the bastard torys have had a brainstorming session discussing policies from around the world. Not necessarily a bad thing. They've then cherry picked those that are likely to be popular and make very Richi Bawsack look like an innovator.

They've had a look at the reactions from New Zealand and thought it looks good and ticks a lot of in vogue boxes.

New Zealand introduced this with a raft of other anti-smoking measures which are much less popular and I've seen nothing to suggest very Richi Bawsack has the baws to suggest them too.

IF, by chance, the lying torys did win the next election you can be guaranteed this policy would disappear in a puff of smoke.

 

[Jack K]

This seems quite a jump:

Rishi Sunak defends his plan to ban smoking for younger generation

The prime minister tells the BBC he backs the move because there is "no safe level of smoking".

www.bbc.co.uk

And I thought for a second that’s a good move by Rishi, despite being a Tory.

But with my cynical head on, I think it’s more likely just a play by the Tory party to extort more money out of the tobacco companies.

Smoking is the most minging and deadly habit going but looking at the graph in that article you can see that it is dying out on it's own.
Bans create interest, demand and a black market.

 

[Findlayhibby]

Is there more money being made out of vaping?I havnae smoked since 2004,sort of lost touch.

 

[Purple & Green]

Is there more money being made out of vaping?I havnae smoked since 2004,sort of lost touch.

There's a couple of things going on here

Decline of conventional tobacco v e-cigarettes

I think one is declining and one is growing

However, within the e-cigarette market, rechargeable vapes are decreasing, and disposable vapes are increasing.

A quick google doesn't really explain what the proportions are.

 

[Ryan69]

It's a hard one for politicians to discuss.

One time the slogan was 'whats your Doctor Smoking?'

Because surprise surprise...they lied in the first place.

 

[Andy.P]

Similar policies have been used elsewhere and led to less people smoking. It’s probably a good idea. The Tories are capable of them it would seem. But hopefully their recent announcements should be of little consequence, zombie government on their way out. Thank fuck.

 

[Smurf]

Nanny state nonsense.

 

[egb_hibs]

It's a hard one for politicians to discuss.

One time the slogan was 'whats your Doctor Smoking?'

Because surprise surprise...they lied in the first place.

Rishi Sunak is 43 years old. Establishing the connection between smoking and disease predates his birth, but not these truly ancient adverts you refer to - which also predate regulation of advertising we have today.

Whatever his other faults may be, what ‘they’ do you refer to that includes Sunak? What difficulty does he have in discussing facts established before his birth but after such ‘lies’?

The only difficulty he has is fags subsidise the NHS, iirc well beyond treating smoking related diseases.

It’s really something the way you can invert the most basic things. Does anything just happen because we learn more, or even by accident ? Do your 5000 ever get a day off from orchestrating the most pedestrian things, and tirelessly seeking to reconcile the yawning contradictions that don’t seem to bother you.

 

[Hattie]

Rishi Sunak is 43 years old. Establishing the connection between smoking and disease predates his birth, but not these truly ancient adverts you refer to - which also predate regulation of advertising we have today.

Whatever his other faults may be, what ‘they’ do you refer to that includes Sunak? What difficulty does he have in discussing facts established before his birth but after such ‘lies’?

The only difficulty he has is fags subsidise the NHS, iirc well beyond treating smoking related diseases.

It’s really something the way you can invert the most basic things. Does anything just happen because we learn more, or even by accident ? Do your 5000 ever get a day off from orchestrating the most pedestrian things, and tirelessly seeking to reconcile the yawning contradictions that don’t seem to bother you.

I work with a couple of “Ryans” they all state the same stuff.
I read this last night, and my god it’s like they have all read this, they say mostly the exact same stuff at the exact same people… at least this guy realised his stupidity after 15 years. Interesting read all the same as he says a like “a rabbit hole”

Escape from the rabbit hole: the conspiracy theorist who abandoned his dangerous beliefs — The Guardian

For 15 years, Brent Lee spent hours each day consuming ‘truther’ content online. Then he logged off. Can he convince his former friends to question their worldview?

apple.news

 

[Bangkokhibby]

The thing that I don't get with the crazies is there's never any guidance as to what to do with all this research and knowledge, why it's happening or what the ultimate aim/bottom line is.
The maddest ones for me are the flat earthers. I spoke to a guy who had opened a shop/meeting place for like minded types and I asked him what was the ultimate goal of governments in having us believe the earth is round and not flat as he believed, wasn't it all just a bit crazy? His only response was "mate, you're the crazy one if you believe governments tell the truth" Once I assured him I wasn't that naive and pushed him for a reason he had nothing.

 

[egb_hibs]

The thing that I don't get with the crazies is there's never any guidance as to what to do with all this research and knowledge, why it's happening or what the ultimate aim/bottom line is.
The maddest ones for me are the flat earthers. I spoke to a guy who had opened a shop/meeting place for like minded types and I asked him what was the ultimate goal of governments in having us believe the earth is round and not flat as he believed, wasn't it all just a bit crazy? His only response was "mate, you're the crazy one if you believe governments tell the truth" Once I assured him I wasn't that naive and pushed him for a reason he had nothing.

If you think flat earth is mental, are you aware of ‘are birds real?’ Lol

 

[Bangkokhibby]

If you think flat earth is mental, are you aware of ‘are birds real?’ Lol

Haha yes I think so. Sure I've heard that one I'll need to check.

 

[Findlayhibby]

The thing that I don't get with the crazies is there's never any guidance as to what to do with all this research and knowledge, why it's happening or what the ultimate aim/bottom line is.
The maddest ones for me are the flat earthers. I spoke to a guy who had opened a shop/meeting place for like minded types and I asked him what was the ultimate goal of governments in having us believe the earth is round and not flat as he believed, wasn't it all just a bit crazy? His only response was "mate, you're the crazy one if you believe governments tell the truth" Once I assured him I wasn't that naive and pushed him for a reason he had nothing.

Did people come from all four corners of the earth to his shop?

 

[Bangkokhibby]

Did people come from all four corners of the earth to his shop?

No, from all round the globe

 

[EH17 Jimmy]

No, from all round the globe

My mate used to have a couple of geezers working for him.

Big Traybake was a flat earther while Flying was a giant lizard believer.

 

[greencol]

I dont smoke. Never have.
But if you want to smoke that's fair enough.
20 quid for 20 sounds good.
Rising by 2 quid per 20 every budget.

 

[Jack]

I'm thinking that the bastard torys have had a brainstorming session discussing policies from around the world. Not necessarily a bad thing. They've then cherry picked those that are likely to be popular and make very Richi Bawsack look like an innovator.

They've had a look at the reactions from New Zealand and thought it looks good and ticks a lot of in vogue boxes.

New Zealand introduced this with a raft of other anti-smoking measures which are much less popular and I've seen nothing to suggest very Richi Bawsack has the baws to suggest them too.

IF, by chance, the lying torys did win the next election you can be guaranteed this policy would disappear in a puff of smoke.

New Zealand change their government and their government change their mind.

New Zealand smoking ban: Health experts criticise new government's shock reversal

Health experts are appalled as the new government plans to repeal the policy to fund tax cuts.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[egb_hibs]

This seems quite a jump:

Rishi Sunak defends his plan to ban smoking for younger generation

The prime minister tells the BBC he backs the move because there is "no safe level of smoking".

www.bbc.co.uk

And I thought for a second that’s a good move by Rishi, despite being a Tory.

But with my cynical head on, I think it’s more likely just a play by the Tory party to extort more money out of the tobacco companies.

Was listening to a podcast the other day where someone was saying that they reckon the tories have given up, and are now just pursuing personal interest projects as they await annihilation. In this theory this is just something that Sunak personally feels strongly about and so wants to get done because he can’t do anything more significant. Don’t know if it’s true, but it’s plausible enough. There were examples of other pet projects given but I can’t remember what they were.

In any case, I don’t get your cynical head thing, it sounds labor conspiratorial to me. If the tories want more money off fags they just increase the tax on them, no chicanery required.

 

[Ryan69]

Rishi Sunak is 43 years old. Establishing the connection between smoking and disease predates his birth, but not these truly ancient adverts you refer to - which also predate regulation of advertising we have today.

Whatever his other faults may be, what ‘they’ do you refer to that includes Sunak? What difficulty does he have in discussing facts established before his birth but after such ‘lies’?

The only difficulty he has is fags subsidise the NHS, iirc well beyond treating smoking related diseases.

It’s really something the way you can invert the most basic things. Does anything just happen because we learn more, or even by accident ? Do your 5000 ever get a day off from orchestrating the most pedestrian things, and tirelessly seeking to reconcile the yawning contradictions that don’t seem to bother you.

Rishi Sunak is an imposter and traitor.

He doesn't give a shit about you.

Why pretend that he does?

Like the COVID outcome stated...''Let Them Die''

 

[egb_hibs]

Rishi Sunak is an imposter and traitor.

He doesn't give a shit about you.

Why pretend that he does?

What are you on about ? What’s this got to do with me ?

What do you mean by imposter and traitor ? You keep alluding to Sunak, why not just come out with it?

Like the COVID outcome stated...''Let Them Die''

I thought you were against lockdown and vaccines ?

 

[Ryan69]

What are you on about ? What’s this got to do with me ?

What do you mean by imposter and traitor ? You keep alluding to Sunak, why not just come out with it?

I thought you were against lockdown and vaccines ?

Sunak stated just to let people die...when the Plandemic first hit.

That was about the only interesting thing that's come out of the COVID CoverUp(enquiry)

The only reason this imposter is their is to beef up his CV,for his next job.

I can guarantee you that like the rest of this journeyman's family....He will leave the country when he finally gets booted.


That's why he still held a green card whilst
selected as Prime minister.

 

[egb_hibs]

Sunak stated just to let people die...when the Plandemic first hit.

That was about the only interesting thing that's come out of the COVID CoverUp(enquiry)

The only reason this imposter is their is to beef up his CV,for his next job.

I can guarantee you that like the rest of this journeyman's family....He will leave the country when he finally gets booted.


That's why he still held a green card whilst
selected as Prime minister.

I’m still interested in the first bit. If Sunak didn’t want to cripple the country for what he thought was an exaggerated threat, how does that differ from your position ?

It seems to me that you are arguing Sunak wasn’t buying into what you call the plandemic;

Which suggests a) he wasn’t part of the plan, so who was?

And also raises the question b) what’s your complaint - did you want him to buy into the plan?

I’m confused

 

[Slippery kaboosh]

I don't smoke tobacco it makes me feel sick just smelling it. In fact it has to be one of my most hated things..But who the fuck are they to tell people they can't do it. I'm so sick of these idiots in power dictating to the country about what they can and can't do and nowadays its seems to be more can'ts than cans

 

[Jack]

I don't smoke tobacco it makes me feel sick just smelling it. In fact it has to be one of my most hated things..But who the fuck are they to tell people they can't do it. I'm so sick of these idiots in power dictating to the country about what they can and can't do and nowadays its seems to be more can'ts than cans

I agree with your sentiment.

I smoke. I drink.

If smoking and drinking were to become a thing now I have no doubt they wouldn't be allowed. I don't see much chance of the genie going back in the bottle but I don't see much wrong with trying to mitigate against the harm they cause in some people.

 

[Hattie]

I agree with your sentiment.

I smoke. I drink.

If smoking and drinking were to become a thing now I have no doubt they wouldn't be allowed. I don't see much chance of the genie going back in the bottle but I don't see much wrong with trying to mitigate against the harm they cause in some people.

The govt couldn’t afford to lose the taxes from cigs… so they do this and put prices up…. Can see it coming…

 

[UncJune]

I think this is a good idea, and I respect his plan. Around 19% of teenagers smoke, mainly vaping. So kids nowadays are very vulnerable to vaping, and I believe drastic matters towards this aspect should be taken. At first, vaping was introduced as a way to help people quit smoking, but not too many people started smoking because of vaping.

 

[Wishbone]

I don't smoke tobacco it makes me feel sick just smelling it. In fact it has to be one of my most hated things..But who the fuck are they to tell people they can't do it. I'm so sick of these idiots in power dictating to the country about what they can and can't do and nowadays its seems to be more can'ts than cans

IMO somebody has too.
I speak as an ex smoker and the harm that smoking causes is enough motivation for any government to do all that it can. They don't even have to ban it, simply gradually price it out of existence.

 

[Wishbone]

I think this is a good idea, and I respect his plan. Around 19% of teenagers smoke, mainly vaping. So kids nowadays are very vulnerable to vaping, and I believe drastic matters towards this aspect should be taken. At first, vaping was introduced as a way to help people quit smoking, but not too many people started smoking because of vaping.

Whatever they say.....vaping is smoking, with all the accompanying risks.

 

[Wishbone]

Ryan, I thought you were against lockdown and vaccines ?

Everyone ie entitled to change their mind, even fecking loony tunes.

 

[Wishbone]

Sunak is right when he says "There is no safe level of smoking"

 

[Davy]

I'm as usual not sure. I did not support it at first as I believe people should be able to make their own mind up. On the other hand people making poor choices that cost the taxpayer crazy sums which could be used for other medical services made me think it is not a bad idea. Would need to see the cost of tax from tobacco versus the health/medical stats. Either way though it is not a bad thing to try and better the health of the country. You could say that why then are they not banning alcohol/drugs. I wouldn't bet on them not to, their putting tax on alcohol as high as possible, or is that the SNP? The counter argument could also be why not leave every decision to the individual, and include legalized drugs in this.
Anyway I have watched videos of the effects of legalizing drugs in USA and that is not going well.

The positive is there is not a ban on current smokers, just they are saying people born from 2019, so that means these kids are 5 year old at most at the moment, so hopefully they won't grow up in a culture of smoking and have the peer pressure we had. That can't be a bad thing, and those who still smoke can carry on, though it will get harder to buy them cheaply unless on the black market and many brands will be fazed out in UK until there is zero on the shelves.

Negative effects have already been realised in advertising and sponsorship of sporting events so nothing will change there

One positive from all this is that the power of the tobacco industry has been smashed, no doubt though it will be replaced with another industry such as the vapes
I am not convinced by vapes though and expect to see a lot of lung issues in the future but we will see. Also there seems to be so many kids on vapes! What's that all about? They were supposed to be for getting people off cigs, but like before kids just play copy cat of their parents/peers.

 

[HaarlemShuffler]

I'm as usual not sure. I did not support it at first as I believe people should be able to make their own mind up. On the other hand people making poor choices that cost the taxpayer crazy sums which could be used for other medical services made me think it is not a bad idea. Would need to see the cost of tax from tobacco versus the health/medical stats. Either way though it is not a bad thing to try and better the health of the country. You could say that why then are they not banning alcohol/drugs. I wouldn't bet on them not to, their putting tax on alcohol as high as possible, or is that the SNP? The counter argument could also be why not leave every decision to the individual, and include legalized drugs in this.
Anyway I have watched videos of the effects of legalizing drugs in USA and that is not going well.

The positive is there is not a ban on current smokers, just they are saying people born from 2019, so that means these kids are 5 year old at most at the moment, so hopefully they won't grow up in a culture of smoking and have the peer pressure we had. That can't be a bad thing, and those who still smoke can carry on, though it will get harder to buy them cheaply unless on the black market and many brands will be fazed out in UK until there is zero on the shelves.

Negative effects have already been realised in advertising and sponsorship of sporting events so nothing will change there

One positive from all this is that the power of the tobacco industry has been smashed, no doubt though it will be replaced with another industry such as the vapes
I am not convinced by vapes though and expect to see a lot of lung issues in the future but we will see. Also there seems to be so many kids on vapes! What's that all about? They were supposed to be for getting people off cigs, but like before kids just play copy cat of their parents/peers.

Unkess as you say there are probs with lungs in the future due to chemicaks from the vaping process, I can't see ehat the issue is - very little or no tars (the real killer) and nicotone which is a toxin but nothing more than a side effect addictive substance in the volumes present in cigs and vapes. Or a meringue?

 

[Davy]

Unkess as you say there are probs with lungs in the future due to chemicaks from the vaping process, I can't see ehat the issue is - very little or no tars (the real killer) and nicotone which is a toxin but nothing more than a side effect addictive substance in the volumes present in cigs and vapes. Or a meringue?

Yeh and I have no real knowledge. There is warnings on the US health sites but they may have different criteria to what is allowed in UK

Health Risks of E-Cigarettes and Vaping

While much remains to be determined about lastinghealth consequences, there’s evolving evidence about the health risks and impact of e-cigarettes on the lungs.

www.lung.org

This sentence is interesting...The Food and Drug Administration has not found any e-cigarette to be safe and effective in helping smokers quit. Interesting because vapes were supposed to help people quit tobacco, but seem accepted to be merely a substitute (or lesser evil) now.


The UK gov seem to go against most of that

Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes – UK Health Security Agency

The official blog of the UK Health Security Agency, providing expert insight on the organisation's work and all aspects of health security

ukhsa.blog.gov.uk

 

[kaimendhibs]

My wife and I stopped smoking 21 years ago. I was on at least 40 a day.
Last year my missus was on holiday with a pal, and tried her vape. She now smokes like a lum again

 

[Jack]

Sunak is right when he says "There is no safe level of smoking"

You can be rest assured that Sunak is not thinking about peoples health at this time, only a potential few more votes at the GE. A dozen or so years down the line, 3 more GEs before it kicks in, the guys full o shite!


On the subject of vaping my doctor suggested this to me recently - just happened to coincide with a few programs on the telly on the subject.

From something that seems quite simple, it's a lot more complicated than you might think. To start with the market is absolutely flooded with dodgy as fuck vapes with stuff in them worse than fags. These tend to be the disposable ones with more than 800 sooks. And loads of other stuff to get my head round.

From being pretty sure that's what I wanted to do right here, right now I'm back at square 1 wondering where to start!

 

[Bangkokhibby]

You can be rest assured that Sunak is not thinking about peoples health at this time, only a potential few more votes at the GE. A dozen or so years down the line, 3 more GEs before it kicks in, the guys full o shite!


On the subject of vaping my doctor suggested this to me recently - just happened to coincide with a few programs on the telly on the subject.

From something that seems quite simple, it's a lot more complicated than you might think. To start with the market is absolutely flooded with dodgy as fuck vapes with stuff in them worse than fags. These tend to be the disposable ones with more than 800 sooks. And loads of other stuff to get my head round.

From being pretty sure that's what I wanted to do right here, right now I'm back at square 1 wondering where to start!

Have you read this? Strongly suggest you do if you haven't

 

[hibbybilly]

Have you read this? Strongly suggest you do if you haven't

The patches helped me, stuck 2 over my eyes and I couldnae find my fags.