Smith vs Corbyn

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Greenmachine

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Neither are leaders or potential Prime Ministers in a million years...I'm afraid that if Owen Smith is the best that the Labour Party can offer to challenge the unelectable Jeremy Corbyn then we are seeing a once great political party in it's death throes.
 

Kenny

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Neither are leaders or potential Prime Ministers in a million years...I'm afraid that if Owen Smith is the best that the Labour Party can offer to challenge the unelectable Jeremy Corbyn then we are seeing a once great political party in it's death throes.
Hate turning thing round to indy but if the only way to defeat the tories at westminister is to pander to tory voters in england then the games a bogey.

I used to think politically scotland and england weren't that different.

I don't think scotland is as socialist as it claims to be but by the same token i now thing england is more right wing than it claims to be.

Either way i think the gap is widening, describing JC as unelectable pretty much sums that up...JC could win seats in scotland if he led scottish labour.
 

GORDONSMITH7

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Neither are leaders or potential Prime Ministers in a million years...I'm afraid that if Owen Smith is the best that the Labour Party can offer to challenge the unelectable Jeremy Corbyn then we are seeing a once great political party in it's death throes.
I take that you use empirical evidence or are you just repeating what has been said literally thousands upon thousands of times from day one of his election by the Establishment, Tory press, BBC, ITV, right wing Labour MP's, so called soft left Labour MP's,The Guardian, Independent, Kinnock, Broon, Blair, Mandelson, Lord Pishstains, The New Statesman (!), Labourlist etc. If so you are in braw company. Repeat, ad infinitival.......unelectable, unelectable, unelectable, unelectable, you are getting sleepy......zzzz.

BIG G
 

Brainwrong

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I take that you use empirical evidence or are you just repeating what has been said literally thousands upon thousands of times from day one of his election by the Establishment, Tory press, BBC, ITV, right wing Labour MP's, so called soft left Labour MP's,The Guardian, Independent, Kinnock, Broon, Blair, Mandelson, Lord Pishstains, The New Statesman (!), Labourlist etc. If so you are in braw company. Repeat, ad infinitival.......unelectable, unelectable, unelectable, unelectable, you are getting sleepy......zzzz.

BIG G
Man who got elected ‘definitely unelectable’
 

GORDONSMITH7

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the brother of ben elton vs the brother of ben kenobi looking at those pictures
Jesus wept, as bad as the posh boys wheeze Private Eye's photo caption comparing Nicola Sturgeon and Wee Jimmy Krankie with the red hats on.

BIG G
 

Brainwrong

Spaktacuradge
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K, the next general election will not be contested only by middle class university students, and banalities such as this will impress few.
True but, an enjoyable comparison and a shallow level. It lays out their principles pretty clearly.

I'd like Corbyn to up his game, in the sense that he needs to kick some erchie. But, I cannae see anyone doing it to be honest. We're fucked. Right wing fucked.


Fair amount of turbulence.
 

egb_hibs

Bounce Radge
I take that you use empirical evidence or are you just repeating what has been said literally thousands upon thousands of times from day one of his election by the Establishment, Tory press, BBC, ITV, right wing Labour MP's, so called soft left Labour MP's,The Guardian, Independent, Kinnock, Broon, Blair, Mandelson, Lord Pishstains, The New Statesman (!), Labourlist etc. If so you are in braw company. Repeat, ad infinitival.......unelectable, unelectable, unelectable, unelectable, you are getting sleepy......zzzz.

BIG G
He's possibly going on 'worst ever' views / ratings of Corbyn on the part of the public as opposed to labour activists, historically bad mid term electoral performance etc.

Despite all that I'm with you in not seeing corbs as as unelectable as others do - he is profiting from the same discontent that powered or powers Trump, sanders, Le pen, Syriza etc. However, the people that do believe he is a lost cause - and who are more likely than not to be correct - have plenty to go on.

Why is it that those on the the further left always seem to believe that those with a different opinion are being manipulated? Why do you believe 'the people' are such helpless losers? And if people are so easily persuaded, then why is it so consistently difficult for the left to persuade them?

A small knot of believers convinced everyone else would agree with them with if only they weren't manipulated by devious others - it's doesn't sound particularly grounded in sanity does it? It's also a mentality that has produced so much disaster over the years.
 

egb_hibs

Bounce Radge
True but, an enjoyable comparison and a shallow level. It lays out their principles pretty clearly.

I'd like Corbyn to up his game, in the sense that he needs to kick some erchie. But, I cannae see anyone doing it to be honest. We're $#@!ed. Right wing $#@!ed.


Fair amount of turbulence.
No it doesn't. Corbs has no problem associating with forces and ideologies responsible for terrible violence and persecution. He's nor so much the peacenik this graphic suggests as opposed to western military action and capability.

What would Corbyn upping his game look like? Right now he looks part of the problem. As for being right wing fucked we're still recovering from the fucking we got from the - In some cases wildly - left wing last labour government, and we will be for years and years to come!
 

Smurf

Bounce Radge
I genuinely laugh when I hear Corbyn supporters deny all the available evidence that he hasn't got a hope in hell's chance of winning a GE. His polling is worse than any opposition leader ever and that's a fact. I think the supporters he has are not in the slightest concerned though. That's not their objective.
 

gun ainm

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I genuinely laugh when I hear Corbyn supporters deny all the available evidence that he hasn't got a hope in hell's chance of winning a GE. His polling is worse than any opposition leader ever and that's a fact. I think the supporters he has are not in the slightest concerned though. That's not their objective.
I genuinely laugh when i hear the labour right think that they stand a chance in a GE if only they change leader, particularly after being instrumental in dragging the party to a new low in the public consciousness by making y'all look like a bunch of squabbling bitches
 

GORDONSMITH7

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Oi, amigos egb and Smurf, surprised you didnae get a Bounce column in this report.....


Journalistic Representations of Jeremy Corbyn in the British Press


http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/Mainstream-Media-Representations-of-Jeremy-Corbyn.aspx

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf

Christ this only covered the first couple of months after his election last year. I would like to see data during the height of the Blairite chicken coup and also the disgracefully biased BBC and Sky News.

BIG G
 
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