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Can't pot a link from my phone.but its being reported Cliff Richards home has been searched by police investigating claims of historical sex abuse on a young boy in the 1980s
 
Not surprised really. Something always seemed off with him.

Sir jimmy, Sir Cliff and Rolf. The royals have some circle of mates.
 
As predicted on this board at the start of the Yewtree investigation.
 
Went to see Jim Davidson last night.

Part of the show was his recount of his experiences around the same thing. He says the evidence against him was flimsy at best, that the investigation assumed guilt and the whole thing cost him half a million quid to clear his name.

While its difficult to disagree that these allegations should be properly investigated, aside from all the distress it causes to the defendant, his family and friends, I'm hard pushed to see why the innocent should be saddled with such a bill.

My thoughts also include the stuff around the defendant being named before the court case while while those making the allegations remain anonymous, even when it turns out the allegations are shite. Now it could be said more women have come forward as a result of the media attention but if the defendant is found guilty then, IMO, would be the right time for the media and those others to come forward.
 
Jack said:
Went to see Jim Davidson last night.

Part of the show was his recount of his experiences around the same thing. He says the evidence against him was flimsy at best, that the investigation assumed guilt and the whole thing cost him half a million quid to clear his name.

While its difficult to disagree that these allegations should be properly investigated, aside from all the distress it causes to the defendant, his family and friends, I'm hard pushed to see why the innocent should be saddled with such a bill.

My thoughts also include the stuff around the defendant being named before the court case while while those making the allegations remain anonymous, even when it turns out the allegations are $#@!e. Now it could be said more women have come forward as a result of the media attention but if the defendant is found guilty then, IMO, would be the right time for the media and those others to come forward.
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In his case, let's call it rough justice ;-)
 
The minute the whole Jimmy Saville thing blew up, these nonce's will have destroyed any shred of evidence they had. IMO this whole scandal goes deep including the Royals, and politicians, the full extent of the abuse will never be revealed.
 
SuperTortolano said:
The minute the whole Jimmy Saville thing blew up, these nonce's will have destroyed any shred of evidence they had. IMO this whole scandal goes deep including the Royals, and politicians, the full extent of the abuse will never be revealed.
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Spot on. This runs deep, but the establishment will come away clean.
 
I can't remember the details but I read recently that in NI they are reopening kincora investigations following revelations that British intelligence intervened in the original investigation into this cesspit, rumoured to have involved loyalist paramilitaries and establishment figures.

I doubt some of the more far fetched conspiracies, but i think it highly plausible that pederast rings operated in the centres of power. I also wonder something that is less likely to be asked, whether the clandestine and secretive way that homosexuals had to live back when being gay was illegal, facilitated the perverted among them establishing networks. Before someone has a stroke, the point here is not to connect these beasts with normal gays who'd deplore them, but about the dynamics that maybe assisted these networks in forming.
 
Central_Hibee said:
I think he's innocent.
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I think he will be found innocent.

He denied being gay for a zillion years. He has been rumoured to have been involved in this sort of activity long before Savillegate . He has a lot of money and a few numbers in his book.
 
DarrenSQH said:
Not surprised really. Something always seemed off with him.

Sir jimmy, Sir Cliff and Rolf. The royals have some circle of mates.
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Glad YOu'rE not my lawyer, what happened to innocent until proved guilty

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tayside hibee said:
I think he will be found innocent.

He denied being gay for a zillion years. He has been rumoured to have been involved in this sort of activity long before Savillegate . He has a lot of money and a few numbers in his book.
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Dont think he has denied being gay, he usually says he will not answe questions on his sexuality as he doesnt see it is anyones business
 
Ill be pretty shocked if theres any truth in this. Just someone having a go at a celebrity to get a bit of fame themselves.
I met Cliff once. My son was in hospital many years ago and when Cliff was appearing in Edinburgh he did a visit to the Sick Kids Hospital and spent some time with my laddie.
Nice of him to give up his time and a shame he is just getting hounded now.
The next thing theyll be saying is that he wasnt even qualified to be doing the prostate examinations.
 
Dr Shrink said:
Ill be pretty shocked if theres any truth in this. Just someone having a go at a celebrity to get a bit of fame themselves.
I met Cliff once. My son was in hospital many years ago and when Cliff was appearing in Edinburgh he did a visit to the Sick Kids Hospital and spent some time with my laddie.
Nice of him to give up his time and a shame he is just getting hounded now.
The next thing theyll be saying is that he wasnt even qualified to be doing the prostate examinations.
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:giggle:

With his cock.
 
egb_hibs said:
I can't remember the details but I read recently that in NI they are reopening kincora investigations following revelations that British intelligence intervened in the original investigation into this cesspit, rumoured to have involved loyalist paramilitaries and establishment figures.

I doubt some of the more far fetched conspiracies, but i think it highly plausible that pederast rings operated in the centres of power. I also wonder something that is less likely to be asked, whether the clandestine and secretive way that homosexuals had to live back when being gay was illegal, facilitated the perverted among them establishing networks. Before someone has a stroke, the point here is not to connect these beasts with normal gays who'd deplore them, but about the dynamics that maybe assisted these networks in forming.
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Your post got me looking into the legal history and I was amazed that in Scotland homosexuality was still illegal until 1980!!! Kinda makes the outrage about countries like Uganda seem a bit hypocritical.

The conspiracy theories are quite mental (Leon Brittain being amazing and worrying if true) but I doubt we'll ever know - its a bit like that stuff about the Prince being Jack the Ripper. I do see that Cliff Richard was supposedly a frequenter of the Elm Guest House but I don't know how reliable the evidence is on whether he did stay there and if what supposedly happened there did happen.

I guess to an extent your theory links in with the whole way that PIE tried to link up with Gay rights groups back in the 1970s. I think you may be correct but by the same token don't you think modern day Hotel owners etc who try to force homosexuals to book 2 separate rooms just a continuation of that kind of culture that may have forced homosexuals to live a clandestine and secretive life?

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Central_Hibee said:
:giggle:

With his cock.
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That's why Dr Shrink is considered by me as a genius of humour and you are as subtle as a sledgehammer.
 
Wannabehibee said:
I'm no fond of the guy. Think he's a welt, his music's rank rotten, (although I did like "Wired for Sound" even though the video for it was $#@!).

I also dunno if he's guilty or not. But what I don't agree with is the way it was dealt with. TV cameras (and a helicopter) just happened to be outside the mansion he has an apartment in to capture footage of the polis going in to search his hoose. Funny that.
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I agree with all of that ... well, except the bit about liking Wired for Sound.
 
Wannabehibee said:
But what I don't agree with is the way it was dealt with. TV cameras (and a helicopter) just happened to be outside the mansion he has an apartment in to capture footage of the polis going in to search his hoose. Funny that.
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Also footage today from across the road from the polis station dealing with the investigations...convenient camera angle into a room showing detectives removing lab gloves and examining "evidence".
 
SKII said:
Also footage today from across the road from the polis station dealing with the investigations...convenient camera angle into a room showing detectives removing lab gloves and examining "evidence".
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This is all too common. Remember the John Leslie case?
 
I think this has been driven by the press. I think that they have has the initial information given to them and have in turn forced the police to make a move.
 
Shades said:
I think this has been driven by the press. I think that they have has the initial information given to them and have in turn forced the police to make a move.
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That's what one of he papers said. The BBC gave them the info and the police, in exchange, provided ring side seats for the circus they are conducting.My concern is the damage this does to those who are innocent for example Paul Gambuccini.
 
Shades said:
I think this has been driven by the press. I think that they have has the initial information given to them and have in turn forced the police to make a move.
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And there's sorta something that has had me concerned for many years.

One might be somewhat confused that while they portray themselves as the avenging angels who keep our streets clear of bad types of all descriptions they are at the same time among the lowest form of life who will stop at virtually nothing for a buck and fuck anyone who gets in the way, individuals or organisations. With the ability to destroy peoples lives, innocent or guilty, who can stand up to them and hold them to account?

Who are they answerable to?
 
egb_hibs said:
I can't remember the details but I read recently that in NI they are reopening kincora investigations following revelations that British intelligence intervened in the original investigation into this cesspit, rumoured to have involved loyalist paramilitaries and establishment figures.

I doubt some of the more far fetched conspiracies, but i think it highly plausible that pederast rings operated in the centres of power. I also wonder something that is less likely to be asked, whether the clandestine and secretive way that homosexuals had to live back when being gay was illegal, facilitated the perverted among them establishing networks. Before someone has a stroke, the point here is not to connect these beasts with normal gays who'd deplore them, but about the dynamics that maybe assisted these networks in forming.
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this is a key point, there has always been an element of the gay community involved with rent boys. It is only now when gay people finally have the same rights as the rest of us that abusers cannot hide within the gay community.

there is of course another dynamic that has created the open season on paedophiles, particularly rich and famous ones. the kids who were abused and not believed, have survived and their stories are impossible to bury with the internet facilitating discussion between people who would otherwise not been able to air their stories in public. Agencies that support survivors of abuse are finding the same names (of abusers) coming up time and again and as such the net is closing in.

as an aside when Jonathan king was convicted in 2000, it was reported then that he was a procurer of children for the rich and famous, it was never revealed who exactly he was getting kids for. To me this smacks of cover up, I cannot imagine that the people done under Yewtree didn't know him and therefore they were allowed to go on abusing till the death of Saville.
 
1) I don`t think we can be sure he is gay. No proof yet.

2) I always wondered what happened to Carrie tho` :dunno:
 
vasco de gama said:
Your post got me looking into the legal history and I was amazed that in Scotland homosexuality was still illegal until 1980!!! Kinda makes the outrage about countries like Uganda seem a bit hypocritical.

The conspiracy theories are quite mental (Leon Brittain being amazing and worrying if true) but I doubt we'll ever know - its a bit like that stuff about the Prince being Jack the Ripper. I do see that Cliff Richard was supposedly a frequenter of the Elm Guest House but I don't know how reliable the evidence is on whether he did stay there and if what supposedly happened there did happen.

I guess to an extent your theory links in with the whole way that PIE tried to link up with Gay rights groups back in the 1970s. I think you may be correct but by the same token don't you think modern day Hotel owners etc who try to force homosexuals to book 2 separate rooms just a continuation of that kind of culture that may have forced homosexuals to live a clandestine and secretive life?

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That's why Dr Shrink is considered by me as a genius of humour and you are as subtle as a sledgehammer.
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Someone MP or other was slated recently in the papers for saying people over 70 (i think thats the age) shouldnt be condemned for having different views on homosexuality...I would say even people much younger. I was brought up being told it was morally wrong and illegal....now I can be charged if I say the wrong thing. I dont care if someone is gay, dont care if they marry in a registry office, dont care if some churches choose to marry them so long as those who do not want to are not forced to. But what I do object to is constantly being told what I should or should not think or say...so much for freedom of speech! But the 1980 shows that society have only moved opinions in numbers very recently....prohibition is USA was also abandoned later...was it right or wrong? This is the problem with having goverments dictate our movements and thoughts.
 
Davy said:
Someone MP or other was slated recently in the papers for saying people over 70 (i think thats the age) shouldnt be condemned for having different views on homosexuality...I would say even people much younger. I was brought up being told it was morally wrong and illegal....now I can be charged if I say the wrong thing. I dont care if someone is gay, dont care if they marry in a registry office, dont care if some churches choose to marry them so long as those who do not want to are not forced to. But what I do object to is constantly being told what I should or should not think or say...so much for freedom of speech! But the 1980 shows that society have only moved opinions in numbers very recently....prohibition is USA was also abandoned later...was it right or wrong? This is the problem with having goverments dictate our movements and thoughts.
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We live in an increasingly quasi theocratic era. More than was ever the case in Britain, with the exception perhaps of the Cromwell era
 
I thought it was a seaside tragedy when I saw the headline 'Young Lad Tossed Off Cliff.'

Just goes to show, you never know what dangers are lurking in The Shadows...
 
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