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Jack K said:
He is saying what he is expected to say.
I would suggest it is either not true or every other institution is also racist, mysoginistic and descriminatory if judged by the same criteria.
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Eh? 🙈
 
I've known a good few policemen/women over the years (I was a bawhair away from becoming one myself). The vast majority are sound, but like any job which gives you a bit of authority/power, there will always be people who sign up for the wrong reasons.
 
Peevemor said:
I've known a good few policemen/women over the years (I was a bawhair away from becoming one myself). The vast majority are sound, but like any job which gives you a bit of authority/power, there will always be people who sign up for the wrong reasons.
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And the fact they will back each other over anything…. As their lies and corruption shows. Only takes 1 with a statement that no one else has seen and their job is done. Wouldn’t trust any of them
 
Peevemor said:
I've known a good few policemen/women over the years (I was a bawhair away from becoming one myself). The vast majority are sound, but like any job which gives you a bit of authority/power, there will always be people who sign up for the wrong reasons.
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That's my experience of them.
Just like every occupation mostly good guy and some wanks.
Through work I had to speak with the last 5 Chief Constables. The current one, Iain Livingstone was probably the most impressive. Switched on, empathetic, caring, a common touch and politically astute. Worst was Steven House, a horrible little man.
 
moathibby said:
Instutionally Racist,Mysoginistic,and Discriminationary.There's why nothing ever happens to the Huns.
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Exactly - which confirms their acceptance of sectarianism, bigotry thats been systemic in Society and endemic throughout Policing.

Is this the opening door we were referring to out with football, we can bring into it now. The pressure on all Policing in this Country is increasing in various ways, this just one of them.
 
Jack K said:
That's my experience of them.
Just like every occupation mostly good guy and some wanks.
Through work I had to speak with the last 5 Chief Constables. The current one, Iain Livingstone was probably the most impressive. Switched on, empathetic, caring, a common touch and politically astute. Worst was Steven House, a horrible little man.
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Agreed, he made the statement that corruption was was acceptable in the Police because it was endemic throughout Society.
 
Jack K said:
That's my experience of them.
Just like every occupation mostly good guy and some wanks.
Through work I had to speak with the last 5 Chief Constables. The current one, Iain Livingstone was probably the most impressive. Switched on, empathetic, caring, a common touch and politically astute. Worst was Steven House, a horrible little man.
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My cousin was a policeman in West Lothian until he retired about seven years ago.
He said the same about Steven House.
Also said the move to consolidate all the forces into Police Scotland was a disaster.
 
Greenmachine said:
My cousin was a policeman in West Lothian until he retired about seven years ago.
He said the same about Steven House.
Also said the move to consolidate all the forces into Police Scotland was a disaster.
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Easier to manage all the rotten eggs in one basket, rather than separate Forces.
 
Dier - 1558 said:
Agreed, he made the statement that corruption was was acceptable in the Police because it was endemic throughout Society.
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I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick.
I suspect he meant some people in all occupations have bad traits, lie, commit offences and do things they shouldn't, be they police officers, teachers, roofers or footballers. Can you name an occupation where all employees behave as they should at all times?
 
Jack K said:
I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick.
I suspect he meant some people in all occupations have bad traits, lie, commit offences and do things they shouldn't, be they police officers, teachers, roofers or footballers. Can you name an occupation where all employees behave as they should at all times?
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He said Police Scotland are  institutionally racist and discriminatory.
 
moathibby said:
The Scottish police being institutionaly racist sexist homophobic and discrimanatory under his watch
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He stressed that his admission of institutional discrimination did not mean that individual officers and staff were racist or sexist.
He said "It is the right thing for me to do, as Chief Constable, to clearly state that institutional racism, sexism, misogyny and discrimination exist"

Do you understand that It can include processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance and thoughtlessness?
As such I suspect that within every large institution which employs human beings there will exist institutional racism, sexism, misogyny and descrimination.
 
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Greenmachine said:
My cousin was a policeman in West Lothian until he retired about seven years ago.
He said the same about Steven House.
Also said the move to consolidate all the forces into Police Scotland was a disaster.
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Doc Shrink said:
I have a West Lothian cop in the family.
He agrees with your cousin.
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I was in West Lothian my entire service until I retired 8 years ago. CC House was detested by the whole service.
The theory behind a unified national service is sound, unfortunately the implementation was a fuckin shambles, mainly due to the insistence of House that it was to be run in the manner of the former Strathclyde force.
 
Rocky said:
None I've worked for are. Care to name one with supporting evidence?
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I think your wrong given it can include processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance and thoughtlessness.

I'm sure the examination of all the emails and texts of all your institutional work colleagues over the last 20 years would reveal lots of evidence.
I'm also sure lots of women who worked within the institutions you worked at would come up with endless examples of descrimination, mysogyny and sexism that occurred within the organisation if there was an enquiry.
Not every employee working within an institution is circumspect at all times.
 
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Jack K said:
I think your wrong given it can include processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance and thoughtlessness.

I'm sure the examination of all the emails and texts of all your institutional work colleagues over the last 20 years would reveal lots of evidence.
I'm also sure lots of women who worked within the institutions you worked at would come up with endless examples of descrimination, mysogyny and sexism that occurred within the organisation if there was an enquiry.
Not every employee working within an institution is circumspect at all times.
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Saying they weren't institutionally discriminatory doesn't mean discrimination doesn't exist in the organisation or even that it's not widespread. It means it's not embedded in the culture and processes of those organisations. You've got a fella who led an organisation and who is quoting court rulings, independent reviews and staff feedback in saying that it's institutionally racist and discriminatory yet you're dismissing it and saying "aye everywhere is like that". Let's see it then, where are the reports into large organisations? Where are the results of staff surveys (which are widely shared and easily leaked) showing embedded discrimination? Look behind the headlines and don't just blindly dismiss what he's said because you don't fancy believing it or you want to tar every organisation with the same brush without evidence.
 
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