Oil wont bring the riches

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Scotland’s oil worth 12th of SNP claims - Treasury - Top stories - The Scotsman



Scotlands remaining oil and gas reserves are worth a fraction of the 1.5 trillion claimed by the Scottish Government, according to a report by the UK Treasury published yesterday.

Alex Salmond has claimed previously that this would be worth 300,000 for every man, woman and child in Scotland. But the First Minister was yesterday facing claims that he had exaggerated the true value, which is just a 12th of this.

The SNP government stood by the figures as a wholesale value for Scotlands oil and gas riches and insisted these would be a key source of tax revenue for years to come.

However, the Treasury paper claims the figure ignores the costs estimated to be at least 1tn of extracting reserves and the weaker gas price compared with oil.

The UK government paper, entitled Scotland Analysis: Macroeconomic and Fiscal Performance, also says the SNP figure is not calculated in net present value, and claims that a truer estimate of the value is 120 billion.

The claim came as Chancellor George Osborne met oil and gas leaders in Aberdeen to acknowledge the vital role the industry plays in the UK economy.

He warned that the SNPs plans to create a Norwegian-style oil fund post-independence would result in large cuts to public services.

The Conservative minister said the fund would take 8bn out of the budget to divert revenue into a fund.

By our calculation, youd have to make some very substantial cuts 8bn of cuts to Scottish public spending, he said. The alternative would be tax rises of 18 per cent.

Since 1990, Norway has invested profits from its oil industry into coffers for the nations future. The fund now stands at about $720bn (475bn) 40 per cent bigger than the value of the entire Norwegian economy making it the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund.

Scotland can go it alone, according to Mr Osborne, but as part of the UK it has a broader base to absorb fluctuations in the revenue.

The SNP administration has placed its revenue from oil and gas at the heart of its plans for independence, but claims that it would be worth 1.5tn for all Scots have proven highly contentious.

The 120bn value, provided by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), is an independent, alternative approach, according to the Treasury paper.

The ONS method is based on the United Nations system of economic and environmental accounts, consistent with the system of national accounts, it adds.

The paper says that only taxes raised from the profits of North Sea oil and gas would flow into the countrys public coffers.

But Scottish finance secretary John Swinney said the paper showed that Scotland had paid more in taxes over the past 30 years than the UK as a whole.

There is no doubt that Scotland can not only afford to be an independent country, but has the means to thrive as an independent country, he said.

Scotland is a key trading partner with the rest of the UK and will continue to be so after independence.

Mr Swinney added: North Sea oil will be a bonus, with up to 24 billion recoverable barrels and with a potential wholesale value of 1.5tn, more than half of the resources in the North Sea by value, still to be extracted, according to industry and UK government estimates.

With up to 24 billion barrels remaining in the North Sea, it is clear that they will remain an important source of tax revenue and Scotland will have opportunities to invest in an oil fund for decades to come.

Drive to attract more women to work in North Sea industries

A major drive to attract more female recruits to the oil and gas industry was yesterday launched at Offshore Europe.

Top-level female executives from the North Sea sector were joined by Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing for the start of the jobs push.

They took part in a debate on ways to encourage more women to study science, technology and maths and on making the oil industry more appealing to female workers. The UK has Europes lowest proportion of female engineers.

The Princess Royal, Patron of Women in Science and Engineering, met women who are already working in the North Sea when she visited the Offshore Europe event in Aberdeen.

Oonagh Werngren, operations director at Oil and Gas UK, said: Building the number of women studying science, technology, engineering and maths subjects will help companies benefit from the broader talent pool and diverse perspectives that female participation can bring.

An event such as this highlights the advantages to be gained from both embracing diversity in the workplace.

Mr Ewing said: Supporting women to fulfil their potential in the labour market is a key Scottish Government aim.
 
The way the unionists play down our contribution you'd think they'd actually be glad to get rid of us.
 
The Scotsman is a plook on this country, its disgraceful how lop-sided their reporting is.The negative beating down attitude to Scotland and its people ( and it's acceptance by many) I find quite amazing.

As to how much oil is down there, I have no clue, but as a suggestion, if it's such a ball and chain to rUK, why not, in the event of any No victory, transfer its licencing to Holyrood?

And why did The UK govt move the maritime border of Scotland north to capture some oil fields off St. Andrews into rUK waters?When you look out of the Firth into the North Sea, you're looking at English waters.


edit:this is a good blog for those interested in such things as polls, main guy is John Curtice who I reckon is the man for stats on this referendum

What Scotland Thinks
 
When all is said and done to me it doesnt matter about the financial position Scotland will be in post-independence, although Im sure it will be fine at least as fine as it is now or would be (queue eeg to come in and say its not fine its fucked, but hey! its our fucked).

On a military basis Im sure well be fine as well. I mean for fucks sake there are countries at the moment just cant wait to stick their noses and guns in where they really don't belong and any threat to the oil supply, however small, will have allies springing up and queuing to defend us. Just look at the Arab nations. They don't use their military might for defence or aggression but to knock fuck out their own people and keep them in line.

Why I do want independence is because I think it is utterly immoral for a country to be ruled over by another. I think its immoral for them to do so and for Scotland to consider itself too week kneed to take a position in the world on its own is shameful.

After 300 years its about time we left the foster parental home, one which we werent fussy to be in in the first place and make our own way. Grow up, fly the nest and act like a responsibly country.

Its not like we don't have family; the UK; Europe; NATO; the UN et al that we can look to for guidance and make our own contribution and anyone who dares suggest that in a grown up world an independent Scotland wouldnt be welcome in any of these is really just pissing in their nappy.

In my opinion :fyi: etc.
 
One side overly estimates and the other side downplays it

Somewhere in the middle lies the truth

Lies, damned lies and statistics

never trust ANY politician :pf:
 
Look at any listing of the worlds richest countries per head of population over the last 30 years or so as detailed by either the World Bank or IMF and it tends to go something like this with

1.Quatar
2. Luxemburg
3. Singapore
4. Norway
5. Hong Kong
6. Brunei
7. USA
8.UAE
9. Switzerland
10. Kuwait

The countries in bold obviously benefit from significant natural resources.

Politicians obviously just make up numbers to whatever suits but to argue that Scotland is the only country in the world who would seemingly get 'poorer' if it controlled its own naturual resources is silly though predictable.

The other 'argument' used is that oil prices are volatile so difficult to control and budget for. Anyone who has bought petrol for the last 40 years will assure you that is nonsense. Oil prices are not volatile in the medium or long term as they always end up going up.