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Davy

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Protests, traffic at standstill and pressure on our firms to stop drilling mail, gas, coal etc etc. Then when the government said they cannot meet the pollution targets, three qas uproar. Yet what is actually the extent of UK pollution of CO2? Turns out it may be less than 2% of worldwide emissions. Now Iam all for working at bringing pollution down, but even if we hit net zero, 98% of the world's pollution will still happen.
China account for 30% Greece rely on heavy pollution digging and burning coal because they simply cannot afford to not dig for coal, and can't afford nuclear or other forms of power.
Russia signed up to the agreement but are responsible for explosions and oil fires all over the place. Ukraine are too but again the blame lies with Putin who brought Ukraine into a war.

Meanwhile as we jump to stop drilling for oil as we quickly stopped mining coal, jobs suffer which has a knock on effect everywhere. So while as I said it is fine to keep trying to meet net zero, is there really a need for the type of outcry that we hear in this country? Wonder if Saudi Arabia are shutting their oil fields. 🤑
 
Davy said:
Protests, traffic at standstill and pressure on our firms to stop drilling mail, gas, coal etc etc. Then when the government said they cannot meet the pollution targets, three qas uproar. Yet what is actually the extent of UK pollution of CO2? Turns out it may be less than 2% of worldwide emissions. Now Iam all for working at bringing pollution down, but even if we hit net zero, 98% of the world's pollution will still happen.
China account for 30% Greece rely on heavy pollution digging and burning coal because they simply cannot afford to not dig for coal, and can't afford nuclear or other forms of power.
Russia signed up to the agreement but are responsible for explosions and oil fires all over the place. Ukraine are too but again the blame lies with Putin who brought Ukraine into a war.

Meanwhile as we jump to stop drilling for oil as we quickly stopped mining coal, jobs suffer which has a knock on effect everywhere. So while as I said it is fine to keep trying to meet net zero, is there really a need for the type of outcry that we hear in this country? Wonder if Saudi Arabia are shutting their oil fields. 🤑
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What outcry is that, the one to make the planet cleaner for our kids? As for the Saudi comment, well.
 
You can help speed up the future ecological pollution or you can help now by cutting as many fossil fuels out in your local environment and hope that others follow your example.

Or speed up the inevitable by continuing to use fossil fuels like the other less intelligent fools who might just have followed your example if you had shown one.

As @1875 implies, next generations don't have the choice yet...
 
China emits more every 8 years than the UK has done since the industrial revolution. Britain is actually quite good from a green pov, though to a large extent because we rely on other countries to do industrial manufacture. And there's the rub - green is in tension with good working class jobs. So is low energy prices.

Fiendish business.
 
The Net Zero/Just Stop Oil/Climate Apocalypse is an irrational religion (aren't they all?)

I see the greenies in Edinburgh are doing a bit of posturing by banning adverts for travel etc.
 
BurbankHibee said:
The Net Zero/Just Stop Oil/Climate Apocalypse is an irrational religion (aren't they all?)

I see the greenies in Edinburgh are doing a bit of posturing by banning adverts for travel etc.
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Here less of the greenies. It's the maroonies that's responsible 😏
 
Davy said:
Protests, traffic at standstill and pressure on our firms to stop drilling mail, gas, coal etc etc. Then when the government said they cannot meet the pollution targets, three qas uproar. Yet what is actually the extent of UK pollution of CO2? Turns out it may be less than 2% of worldwide emissions. Now Iam all for working at bringing pollution down, but even if we hit net zero, 98% of the world's pollution will still happen.
China account for 30% Greece rely on heavy pollution digging and burning coal because they simply cannot afford to not dig for coal, and can't afford nuclear or other forms of power.
Russia signed up to the agreement but are responsible for explosions and oil fires all over the place. Ukraine are too but again the blame lies with Putin who brought Ukraine into a war.

Meanwhile as we jump to stop drilling for oil as we quickly stopped mining coal, jobs suffer which has a knock on effect everywhere. So while as I said it is fine to keep trying to meet net zero, is there really a need for the type of outcry that we hear in this country? Wonder if Saudi Arabia are shutting their oil fields. 🤑
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Problem we have is Theresa May signed a contract meaning we will meet the targets,or face consequences.

That's why it's not as easy as to just say its a load of bullshit.

You only have to look into the carbon footprint of producing an EV compared to a combustible engine....To see the bullshit.
That's not to mention the child slave labour in obtaining the cobalt in places like Congo.
 
It’s all just lip service bullshit. Nobody is really trying to cut out greenhouse gases. They just pretend they are.
King Charles has long been a supporter of a greener planet. Yet soon after he was King, he stood with the French president as our and their equivalent red arrows done a flyover . Totally pointless.
Look behind the scenes at the E formula 1. What’s charging the cars ? Big diesel generators 😂😂. It’s a sham.
I have an acquaintance who is a bit of an eco warrior. I was telling her roughly the same thing, but she wasnt having it. I asked her if she used public transport to get to work. No, she reply cause it took 2 hours , where as driving only took about 1.
I smugly rested my case. 😝
 
Ryan69 said:
Problem we have is Theresa May signed a contract meaning we will meet the targets,or face consequences.

That's why it's not as easy as to just say its a load of bullshit.

You only have to look into the carbon footprint of producing an EV compared to a combustible engine....To see the bullshit.
That's not to mention the child slave labour in obtaining the cobalt in places like Congo.
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What contract?
 
Britain is (somehow) still looked on as one of the World leaders,when we take action then others follow.

We’d still have slavery etc if we all took the “What’s the point” attitude….
 
PILTONSTANY said:
Britain is (somehow) still looked on as one of the World leaders,when we take action then others follow.

We’d still have slavery etc if we all took the “What’s the point” attitude….
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Exactly and our rates are indeed low. However as previously noted that is in part because we don't have high volumes on industrial manufacture.
 
tayside hibee said:
It’s all just lip service bullshit. Nobody is really trying to cut out greenhouse gases. They just pretend they are.
King Charles has long been a supporter of a greener planet. Yet soon after he was King, he stood with the French president as our and their equivalent red arrows done a flyover . Totally pointless.
Look behind the scenes at the E formula 1. What’s charging the cars ? Big diesel generators 😂😂. It’s a sham.
I have an acquaintance who is a bit of an eco warrior. I was telling her roughly the same thing, but she wasnt having it. I asked her if she used public transport to get to work. No, she reply cause it took 2 hours , where as driving only took about 1.
I smugly rested my case. 😝
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Futility is just as unhelpful as the mentals who think we can cut out carbon in a couple of years without catastrophe.

Personally I try to do my small bit while staying anchored on planet earth.
 
In this rush to hit net zero why are situations like this happening?

It's 'too windy'?......



Brits Shelling Out Billions to Wind Farms to Switch Off When It’s Too Windy.

British bill payers are being hit with an “absurd” price tag to keep wind turbines idle because the grid can’t handle the energy they produce.

In just the first 11 months of this year, a staggering £1 billion was forked over to wind farms to waste 6.6 gigawatt hours of power.

Up from £779 million in 2023 and £945 million in 2022…

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Brits Shelling Out Billions to Wind Farms to Switch Off When It's Too Windy

British bill payers are being hit with an "absurd" price tag to keep wind turbines idle because the grid can’t handle the energy they produce. In just the
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EH17 Jimmy said:
In this rush to hit net zero why are situations like this happening?

It's 'too windy'?....



Brits Shelling Out Billions to Wind Farms to Switch Off When It’s Too Windy.

British bill payers are being hit with an “absurd” price tag to keep wind turbines idle because the grid can’t handle the energy they produce.

In just the first 11 months of this year, a staggering £1 billion was forked over to wind farms to waste 6.6 gigawatt hours of power.

Up from £779 million in 2023 and £945 million in 2022…

order-order.com

Brits Shelling Out Billions to Wind Farms to Switch Off When It's Too Windy

British bill payers are being hit with an "absurd" price tag to keep wind turbines idle because the grid can’t handle the energy they produce. In just the
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The tech to harvest, store and transfer green energy is miles off. Milliband's plans are predictably coming in for heavy challenge and i think they've already rowed back on it being cheaper ?

It's a good goal but the timeline is pie in the sky and risks catastrophe for our economy if it doesn't kill off Labour first.

If we had more serious people running it, it could be balanced with surviving as a functioning country in the meantime. That might have the crusties grumping but Milliband is supposed to be directing things in real world Britain not the students union
 
Oh I agree that we need a sensible discussion about energy sources.

But again this full on daftieness will only be detrimental to most citizens.

And it's galling when you hear that the troughers get their leccy paid for their homes in London when staying there.
 
The whole power industry is fractured and therefore working in disharmony.

We're shelling out billions as above for electricity produced that cannot be used.

We're shelling out billions for electricity not produced by nuclear plants where the completion dates are further down the line than they ever were.

Meanwhile we're paying Norway billions for gas to produce electricity 😆

There is a huge hydro plant being built in Scotland that appears at this stage to be a good news story. There should be many more hydro plants around the UK, even wee pishy rivers can produce a decent amount of power.

The electricity transmission network is close to breaking point.

Let's all buy an electric car 😆
 
When I was an apprentice we painted a hydro pipe up in Invershin.
3/4 of a mile of pipe we done.

Got sent up with Sammy Crawford up to the big gate things with Loch Shinn behind them.

Scary at the time. All the pipes were done with bitumen so it was stinking as well.

But any means of keeping prices down for folk is sound by me.
 
Jack said:
The whole power industry is fractured and therefore working in disharmony.

We're shelling out billions as above for electricity produced that cannot be used.

We're shelling out billions for electricity not produced by nuclear plants where the completion dates are further down the line than they ever were.

Meanwhile we're paying Norway billions for gas to produce electricity 😆

There is a huge hydro plant being built in Scotland that appears at this stage to be a good news story. There should be many more hydro plants around the UK, even wee pishy rivers can produce a decent amount of power.

The electricity transmission network is close to breaking point.

Let's all buy an electric car 😆
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I spoke to a guy on Friday who bought a top of the range BMW EV for £50k a year ago and was offered £25k to trade it in. Not exactly encouraging.
 
Just a cash grab by the same people that made shit load of money from CONVID.

There is no evidence the world is heating up.

The Carbon Dioxide in the air is 0.04%...0.02% plant life dies.
It's a fucking dangerous game they are playing

I remember watching a panel of supposed Carbon emission experts,and not one of them could state 0.04%.

Closest they got was 25%.

Even the idiots pushing the agenda have absolutely no idea about what they are talking about.
Ed Milliband....I mean come on,the guy is a complete and utter clown.
 
Ryan69 said:
Just a cash grab by the same people that made shit load of money from CONVID.

There is no evidence the world is heating up.

The Carbon Dioxide in the air is 0.04%...0.02% plant life dies.
It's a fucking dangerous game they are playing

I remember watching a panel of supposed Carbon emission experts,and not one of them could state 0.04%.

Closest they got was 25%.

Even the idiots pushing the agenda have absolutely no idea about what they are talking about.
Ed Milliband....I mean come on,the guy is a complete and utter clown.
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Another way of looking at is is 0.02 and 0.04 is a 100% difference which is a significant window.

Especially as 99% of earth's atmosphere has no effect on heat at all.

Again I'm moved to wonder why the same people otherwise accused of going to war over oil are simultaneously intent on destroying the oil industry.

Maybe stop listening to Helmut and Wagner on whatever Internet hole you get this from and start paying attention to people who know what they are talking about. Or failing that just looking around you.
 
egb_hibs said:
Another way of looking at is is 0.02 and 0.04 is a 100% difference which is a significant window.

Especially as 99% of earth's atmosphere has no effect on heat at all.

Again I'm moved to wonder why the same people otherwise accused of going to war over oil are simultaneously intent on destroying the oil industry.

Maybe stop listening to Helmut and Wagner on whatever Internet hole you get this from and start paying attention to people who know what they are talking about. Or failing that just looking around you.
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So should I listen to Ed Milliband then?

You do realise how the whole game works?

Unless the climate scientists go along with the agenda...They don't get paid.

Kind of like how CONVID was pushed too by all the television doctors.

Where do you get your facts?
BBC? SkyNews?Chapgpt?

As alot of your answer mimic exactly what a Chapgpt answer would be.
 
Ryan69 said:
So should I listen to Ed Milliband then?

You do realise how the whole game works?

Unless the climate scientists go along with the agenda...They don't get paid.

Kind of like how CONVID was pushed too by all the television doctors.

Where do you get your facts?
BBC? SkyNews?Chapgpt?

As alot of your answer mimic exactly what a Chapgpt answer would be.
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You've cracked a HibeesBounce mystery!

@egb_hibs is Chapgpt 😆
 
egb_hibs said:
Another way of looking at is is 0.02 and 0.04 is a 100% difference which is a significant window.

Especially as 99% of earth's atmosphere has no effect on heat at all.

Again I'm moved to wonder why the same people otherwise accused of going to war over oil are simultaneously intent on destroying the oil industry.

Maybe stop listening to Helmut and Wagner on whatever Internet hole you get this from and start paying attention to people who know what they are talking about. Or failing that just looking around you.
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Ok @Ryan69

Give me.a chatgpt prompt that produces something resembling this
 
I asked my AI about carbon levels.


As of December 5, 2024, the daily average reading for atmospheric CO2 on the planet is 424.94 parts per million (ppm). This represents a 1.03% increase from the previous year.
The National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) reports that the global average atmospheric carbon dioxide was 419.3 ppm in 2023, a new record high. This is a 50% increase since the start of the Industrial Revolution, and the annual rate of increase over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases.
The primary cause of this increase is human activity, such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation. These activities release carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, which trap heat and warm the planet.
The effects of increased carbon dioxide levels include:
* Global warming: This can lead to rising sea levels, more extreme weather events, and changes in plant and animal life.
* Ocean acidification: As the ocean absorbs more carbon dioxide, it becomes more acidic, which can harm marine life.
It is important to take steps to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and mitigate the effects of climate change. This can include transitioning to renewable energy sources, improving energy efficiency, and protecting forests.
Here are some resources where you can find more information about carbon dioxide levels and climate change:
* Daily CO2: Daily CO2
* Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide: Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
* Carbon Dioxide | Vital Signs – Climate Change - NASA: Carbon Dioxide Concentration | NASA Global Climate Change
* Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere
* https://infinitylearn.com/surge/biology/difference-between-weather-and-climate/
* https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/11/its-easy-to-be-fooled-by-a-climate-alarmist/
* https://www.agriville.com/forum/com...do-for-carbon-for-life-and-plant-growth/page3
* https://github.com/NicolasDenier/CO
2_concentration
 
egb_hibs said:
Just that ai pish that's fashionable.

If you Google these days the first result is ai generated. That's something similar to chatgpt
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I use Brave search and it's the same.
Of course because the ai scours the net and scoops up everything there it can include plainly wrong answers. I usually ignore that bit and just go to the usual results. I can make my own mistakes thanks 🥴
 
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