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Multiple merged threads about Daily Retard articles. by Duncan and Cowan on the SCF

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I can sort of see his point. I left Hampden on Sunday gutted at getting beat but happy we did not get humiliated.
Then when i watched the game again yesterday i realised how poor we actually were. The defending was abysmal and the midfield and strikeforce non existent.
Now you have to ask yourself how Dundee Utd who are no better than us took this same Celtic team to extra time in the semi last month and were very unlucky to lose and St Mirren who are worse than us actually beat them in the League Cup semi yet they completely steam rollered over the top of us.
Now i come on hear and read about how Leith Walk was bouncing on Sunday Night and congas around Robbies and god knows what else.
So the answer has to be yes on that evidence we do accept mediocrity and the reporter does have a point.
 

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I only know who he is due to the OP, but 3 words say it all.....daily retard hack:coffee:


Nothing more to be said imo
 

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I can sort of see his point. I left Hampden on Sunday gutted at getting beat but happy we did not get humiliated.
Then when i watched the game again yesterday i realised how poor we actually were. The defending was abysmal and the midfield and strikeforce non existent.
Now you have to ask yourself how Dundee Utd who are no better than us took this same Celtic team to extra time in the semi last month and were very unlucky to lose and St Mirren who are worse than us actually beat them in the League Cup semi.
Now i come on hear and read about how Leith Walk was bouncing on Sunday Night and congas around Robbies and god knows what else.
So the answer has to be yes on that evidence we do accept mediocrity and the reporter does have a point.
We beat Celtic not long ago and Utd were routed by them in the last league game , it happens
 

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Im talking about facing them at Hampden
It doesn't happen often so it's hard to say . We didn't play well obviously but are we expected to boo the team and skulk off back to ER to protest ? We had a tough run to get to Hampden , manys the time we'd have fallen short a lot earlier
 

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Im talking about facing them at Hampden
Who never played that semi but totally ran the show for them at the weekend and who also played when they pumped Utd at Tannadice 4-0:hmmm
 

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Imagine Celtic losing to Bayern or similar in the CL final and TGFITW behaving like us at the end , journos like the tosser named above would have hard ons whilst gushing praise from every orifice
 

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Who never played that semi but totally ran the show for them at the weekend and who also played when they pumped Utd at Tannadice 4-0:hmmm
:hiya: Oooh me me me!!

Is it Neil Lennon jr :detective:
 

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What a shite article, you'd read something less biased on a Celtic forum.
 

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You could ask the hack why he`s not writing for The Times or The Washington Post, where`s his journalistic ambition , maybe The Retard`s his level .

Comparisons are easy for a few throw away lines, up down ,black white ,if you give Hibs the same money to spend on players then be judgemental about our performance for the record (no pun intended ) Im a still angry at many things about Sundays match but I understand the reasons why , only peeing with what you`ve got is the bottom line .

The bookies had Hibs @7/1 on Sunday so its no rocket science to work out where the cup was going to go ,
we had to be very very good with no mistakes and they had to be awful ,what actually happened we were no very good and they were good or as good as they had to be .


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I agree that there is a losers mentaility at Easter Road...as there has been for decades, and it was the reason Eddie Turnbull broke up the Tornadoes...but the journno uses the wrong example of Sundays match to try to prove his point. Every Hibs player who took to the field on Sunday wanted to win that cup..as did the fans and the manager. The team tried as hard as they could but they were beaten by a better, more experienced team. Most of the Hibs fans were realistic enough to know that the odds were stacked against us because Celtic very, very rarely lose Scottish Cup Finals at Hampden. Using the examples of Celtic's recent Hampden games against St Mirren and Dundee United is also wrong because these games were not cup finals and that is the crux of the matter..a cup final is a very different game from any other and Celtic know exactly whet they have to do to win them. Killie's League Cup success last seaosn is the exception but they got a lot of good fortune that day. This is the reason I wanted Hibs to get Celtic in the semi rather than Falkirk, I wanted them out of the cup and my feeling was that we would have a much better chance of beating them in a semi-final rather than a final and I stand by that.

Yes, as I say there is a long running losers mentaility at the club, it's ingrained i'm afraid and there is no point denying it, and it all comes from the top. We also i'm afraid now have a generation of Hibs fans who see success as putting one over the jambos or my favourite "outsinging the opposition". I really do wish we would start acting like the big club in Scotland that we really are. Celebrating defeat is not something personally I want to do...I left the game on Sunday as soon as the final whistle blew. We need to take a leaf out of John Blackley's book...after the 6-1 hammering from Celtic in the 1972 cup final he threw his losers medal away across the car park saying it was no use to him. A losers medal just tells you that you are a loser.
 

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I agree that there is a losers mentaility at Easter Road...as there has been for decades, and it was the reason Eddie Turnbull broke up the Tornadoes...but the journno uses the wrong example of Sundays match to try to prove his point. Every Hibs player who took to the field on Sunday wanted to win that cup..as did the fans and the manager. The team tried as hard as they could but they were beaten by a better, more experienced team. Most of the Hibs fans were realistic enough to know that the odds were stacked against us because Celtic very, very rarely lose Scottish Cup Finals at Hampden. Using the examples of Celtic's recent Hampden games against St Mirren and Dundee United is also wrong because these games were not cup finals and that is the crux of the matter..a cup final is a very different game from any other and Celtic know exactly whet they have to do to win them. Killie's League Cup success last seaosn is the exception but they got a lot of good fortune that day. This is the reason I wanted Hibs to get Celtic in the semi rather than Falkirk, I wanted them out of the cup and my feeling was that we would have a much better chance of beating them in a semi-final rather than a final and I stand by that.

Yes, as I say there is a long running losers mentaility at the club, it's ingrained i'm afraid and there is no point denying it, and it all comes from the top. We also i'm afraid now have a generation of Hibs fans who see success as putting one over the jambos or my favourite "outsinging the opposition". I really do wish we would start acting like the big club in Scotland that we really are. Celebrating defeat is not something personally I want to do...I left the game on Sunday as soon as the final whistle blew. We need to take a leaf out of John Blackley's book...after the 6-1 hammering from Celtic in the 1972 cup final he threw his losers medal away across the car park saying it was no use to him. A losers medal just tells you that you are a loser.
I don't think a single person there celebrated defeat on Sunday. What I think they did was proclaim themselves still Hibbies, still there, and still proud. I personally thought that was the best Scottish Cup run we've had in my lifetime, and it was something to take a bit of pride in, even if it didn't end the way we wanted it to.

BTW we should maybe get Garry O'Connor back in the side, he threw his medal away last year... He's always had a winning attitude as was displayed by his last contribution in a Hibs shirt being shooting from the centre we took having went 3-1 down last year.

I'd agree about the winning mentality thing if we had players better than others who were letting inferior sides beat them. But I think the only point recently where that's been happening was under Mowbray funnily enough. It isn't lacking a winning mentality that stops us winning things, it's having worse players than those we're competing against for the most part.
 

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We are soft as shite. OK we outsung them at the end but not when it really mattered i.e. after they scored.

Doyle epitomises what I mean. Huffed and puffed, good header at the start but didnae win a tackle all day. We have been consistently outfought by teams on lower budgets for a decade.

So many games I've been to where we've bottled it in front of a big Hibs crowd. This meek acceptance starts at the top. Can you imagine any other Chsirman being happy with the statements being trotted out.

Great infrastructure, sound ownership model, decades of underachievement.
 

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Now i come on hear and read about how Leith Walk was bouncing on Sunday Night and congas around Robbies and god knows what else.
So the answer has to be yes on that evidence we do accept mediocrity and the reporter does have a point.
Gash.

Last year, we ended up in the Arty, and everyone was pretty down. That comes of playing a team in the Cup Final who we really should have at least given a game, and where the gulf in quality of player was a lot less than Sunday. In that instance, we were let down by the guys representing us.

However, on Sunday, as someone has pointed out, we were talking about a gulf that made us massive underdogs. Not a single media person really gave us a chance, and even we admitted we had a puncher's chance. Without our club captain on the pitch, and our talismanic "puncher" critically hampered, it was never gonna happen.

For that reason, after a good day out with my mates, I was able to be philosophical about it and go and have a laugh with my good pals, and new pals I'd met on the day.

Anyone unable to get football in perspective enough to do that, and thinks that everyone should have been crying into their pints or otherwise they're "losers" is for me just an arse - or really has not seen much adversity in real life.

I really do wish we would start acting like the big club in Scotland that we really are. Celebrating defeat is not something personally I want to do...I left the game on Sunday as soon as the final whistle blew. We need to take a leaf out of John Blackley's book...after the 6-1 hammering from Celtic in the 1972 cup final he threw his losers medal away across the car park saying it was no use to him. A losers medal just tells you that you are a loser.
Aye barry. The comparison between the players at Hibs and Celtic in 1972 to today is so ridiculous it's just funny.

In over forty years since 1972, only six other clubs have won it outside the old firm, 13 times.

Fully five of those were accounted for by the great Aberdeen side of the 80s.

Out of the other 5 clubs, St Mirren, Motherwell and Kilmarnock won it once - none of them had to play either of the Old Firm in the final.

Dundee Utd won it twice - beating the Huns once in 1994, and Ross County.

The Gunts, three times, but only beat Huns in 1998. The other three they beat a stinking Hibs side, and fucking GRETNA.

So, outwith the great Aberdeen side, only two sides have ever beaten the Old Firm to take the Scottish Cup, nobody for almost a decade.

Beating the Old Firm in a SC Final is a freak occurence - anyone else's best chance is to play another medium sized club or smaller. The fact is, they can spend on one player what the rest of us can on a fucking squad.

So I'm sorry, but this "big club mentality" is a spurious nonsense peddled by people living in the past. The Huns and Mhanks have it simply by virtue of their playing squads. The Gunts much vaunted one is based on nothing more than an abject run in derbies for us.

Didn't see anybody laying into them when they got turned over by St Mirren.

It isn't lacking a winning mentality that stops us winning things, it's having worse players than those we're competing against for the most part.
Basically this, in a nutshell.
 

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THERE was something strangely surreal about the attitude of the Hibs players in the aftermath of Sundays Scottish Cup Final defeat.
One by one Pat Fenlons team trooped through the Hampden mixed zone, quite content with the fact theyd avoided a repeat of last seasons 5-1 humiliation at the hands of Gunts.
Incredibly, despite having just being hammered 3-0 by a Celtic outfit who didnt need to get out of second gear, they viewed their afternoons work as a triumph.
Really? I saw a group of players acting with dignity in defeat. That's something that is sadly lacking in our beautiful game at present.

It was almost as if everything in the garden was rosy just because they hadnt been thumped by their biggest rivals.
Credit to the Hibs supporters who stayed to the bitter end and provided their team with terrific backing at the national stadium.
But if this is the extent of the clubs ambition on the park then it will be a long time before they have anything to really cheer about.
It is a sad day when abject suddenly becomes acceptable within the dressing room.
No, you're missing the point gadgey. We weren't abject. We were second best, but not abject.

Every player who addressed the media after the match trotted out the same lines about what a decent performance it was and of how proud they were.
Proud of what exactly? Of passing up a glorious opportunity to make a fist of it against the SPL champions who didnt need to be anywhere near their best?
Of meekly rolling over and thinking that anything better than a four-goal margin of defeat was something to be celebrated?
Maybe that attitude stems from the manager because Pat Fenlon didnt seem too upset afterwards, claiming the defeat didnt hurt as much as 12 months ago.
So all the Hibs players and management are wrong and you're right? Hmmm. Maybe it's the case that you're a cocksocket trying to start a fight in an empty house? I know where my money is.

Like most of his players the Irishman shrugged off the setback as if his team had just lost a kickabout down the local park.
Can you imagine Neil Lennon or any of his charges adopting the same approach in the wake of such a comprehensive doing?
Of course you couldnt. No, it simply wouldnt be allowed to happen under his watch.
The Celtic manager would have gone through his men like a dose of salts if they had performed so lamentably and rightly so.
No, he would have blamed everybody except himself. I refer to to the tonking they took from Juve where he blamed refereeing decisions, a physical Italian team, blah ,blah, blah. Everything but his team and himself.

Know what, I'm coming round to the view that you really are a knobjockey, Colin.

Instead of waxing lyrical about how they didnt crumble even more spectacularly the Hibs players would have been better served telling it how it really was.
In the build-up to the match, the recurring theme from the Leith camp was of how this group were filled with leaders and were unrecognisable from the squad who capitulated against Gunts last May.
Yet, there was absolutely zero evidence of people willing to take control on the park and it was the same story afterwards with nobody willing to take any responsibility off it.
The defending at the first two goals was nothing short of diabolical with Alan Maybury, Paul Hanlon and goalkeeper Ben Williams all at fault.
Ah, so the real reason you're disappointed that the manager never washed his dirty linen in public? Nae 'we wuz rubbish' story for you to report on? Diddums.

But was anyone man enough to put their hands up and admit culpability afterwards?
Dont be so daft. They were either hiding behind a collective cloak of we defend as a unit or too busy patting themselves on the back for only losing 3-0.
Leigh Griffiths was just about the only Hibs player not to address the media afterwards, the official line being that he was too distraught to speak.
The double Player of the Year award winner was also the only one who actually seemed to be suffering.
Injury prevented a half-fit Griffiths from making any worthwhile impact on the game and as he trooped off the pitch when substituted six minutes from time he was clearly hurting, both physically and mentally.
Unfortunately for the long-suffering Hibs supporters not enough of his team-mates appeared to be sharing any of his pain.
Ah, so we've got to see tears and snotters from players following a defeat for their pain to be real? Maybe, just maybe, as I suggested earlier they really did act with a touch of class and dignity.

And while this attitude remains at Easter Road it could be another 111 years before the fans have a Scottish Cup win to celebrate.
It'll happen a lot sooner than your horrible rag stops believing every last word of drivel you get fed from the bigot brothers media management. Sort out your own lack of objectivity before questioning others.

Colin, I conclude that you're a wanker. Now fuck off back to your other duty of offering McCoist fellatio on demand.
 

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The guys a fucking knobjockey. We weren't good enough but kept battling. That's why it wasn't a humping. Did he choose not to see that? Also the players looked well gutted as they walked round and thanked us. Prick
 

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I can sort of see his point. I left Hampden on Sunday gutted at getting beat but happy we did not get humiliated.
Then when i watched the game again yesterday i realised how poor we actually were. The defending was abysmal and the midfield and strikeforce non existent.
Now you have to ask yourself how Dundee Utd who are no better than us took this same Celtic team to extra time in the semi last month and were very unlucky to lose and St Mirren who are worse than us actually beat them in the League Cup semi yet they completely steam rollered over the top of us.
Now i come on hear and read about how Leith Walk was bouncing on Sunday Night and congas around Robbies and god knows what else.
So the answer has to be yes on that evidence we do accept mediocrity and the reporter does have a point.
Dont know how i missed this earlier but...
Total pish
FFs lets go home and sit in a dark cupboard
Or go out and get pished and say fuck it....its a game of fitba, we all want to win but ffs life goes on:banger:
I went straight home after last years game, wasnt doing it this time, if you think that is because i accept mediocrity then you are way of the fuckin mark
 

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The guys a fucking knobjockey. We weren't good enough but kept battling. That's why it wasn't a humping. Did he choose not to see that? Also the players looked well gutted as they walked round and thanked us. Prick
Williams made one save worthy of the name in the game. The side who won 3-0 didn't even win a fecking corner in the game!

I'm no remotely saying we deserved to win the game, but it's being presented as though we got slaughtered, and we didn't. I personally thought 3-0 was harsh in terms of the final result at the time. I've watched it again and nothing has changed my opinion of that. Celtics first goal was a killer, but it came from about 5 mistakes (some worse than others) from various Hibs players (Claros, Maybury, Williams, Hanlon, and McGivern in roughly that order) and not exactly a team clinically dismantling us.

Turns out the 1st goal was crucial, we barely looked like scoring after it as Celtic just contained everything we did. That was something they done against Barcelona successfully, it's no like they just opened up and played.
 

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Williams made one save worthy of the name in the game. The side who won 3-0 didn't even win a fecking corner in the game!

I'm no remotely saying we deserved to win the game, but it's being presented as though we got slaughtered, and we didn't. I personally thought 3-0 was harsh in terms of the final result at the time. I've watched it again and nothing has changed my opinion of that. Celtics first goal was a killer, but it came from about 5 mistakes (some worse than others) from various Hibs players (Claros, Maybury, Williams, Hanlon, and McGivern in roughly that order) and not exactly a team clinically dismantling us.

Turns out the 1st goal was crucial, we barely looked like scoring after it as Celtic just contained everything we did. That was something they done against Barcelona successfully, it's no like they just opened up and played.
Totally Al. And we were still going forward at the end. I remember us having a corner with 5 minutes to go and our centre halves were still up for it. Wee boozy kept running at them and Taiwo had a shot blocked late on if I remember correctly. Shite journalism at it,s worst
 

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