'Life being stressful is not an illness' - GPs on mental health over-diagnosis
Hundreds of GPs in England tell the BBC they are also worried about a lack of help for patients.
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Life being stressful is not an illness
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Glenmore Road
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A few shifts down a pit, a nice trip on a trawler out of Fraserburgh or a week working at Dixon's Blazes Ironworks in Govan would be all the therapy 90%+ of these "unfortunates" require.
*Edit... Ignorant, affluent Embra c*** that I am, I thought the legendary Glasgow iron foundry was in the Gorbals, but I also thought I'd best check, so as not to look an ignorant c***... and it was in Govan... So why is the industrial estate named after it in Oatlands / Gorbals?
*Edit... Ignorant, affluent Embra c*** that I am, I thought the legendary Glasgow iron foundry was in the Gorbals, but I also thought I'd best check, so as not to look an ignorant c***... and it was in Govan... So why is the industrial estate named after it in Oatlands / Gorbals?
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egb_hibs
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I think one of the many tragedies of the recent past is mental illness has been cultivated among the young, and then there is a whole mental health industry ready to receive them. And then there is an epidemic of folk at the ham because they have been incentivised to it.
I wouldn't wish severe mental health on my worst enemy and have seen far too much of what it can do. But it's not the same thing.
I wouldn't wish severe mental health on my worst enemy and have seen far too much of what it can do. But it's not the same thing.
Two Headed Boy
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I do bristle at this a bit as I know someone with a long term serious mental health issue who has had terrible advice from GPs over the years ranging from changing their meds to changing their career.
Where I do have sympathy is the bullet point further down the article suggesting GPs main complaint is the lack of good quality mental health support dumping a lot of people on them. Real mental health problems require a specialist not a ten minute consultation.
Where I do have sympathy is the bullet point further down the article suggesting GPs main complaint is the lack of good quality mental health support dumping a lot of people on them. Real mental health problems require a specialist not a ten minute consultation.
Having very recently lost someone close due to severe mental health issues, I won’t make light of it. A doctor looking at his/her watch and making out a prescription while you speak isn’t going to help anyone. Filling in an online form won’t help either. Treat the cause, not the symptoms. As said above, specialist support is required but it needs to be made available early. There are some amazing professionals in the field who, just by listening, can change lives for the better but people need to be able to access them.
southfieldhibby
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My only issue with that statement is the folk that decree these things to be true have never done a ‘proper’ days work in their life. In struggle to take direction off those type of folk tbh.'Life being stressful is not an illness' - GPs on mental health over-diagnosis
Hundreds of GPs in England tell the BBC they are also worried about a lack of help for patients.
What do we think?
I think modern life is way more stressful than say, 20 years ago so I’m not surprised people have trouble coping.
Agreed but I think a lot of it is self-inflicted due to paying too much attention to what others are doing. People can’t cross the road nowadays without checking their phones. Peer pressure, online bullying, so-called influencers etc. 40 year mortgages, buy now pay later etc - they’re conditioned to think they should have everything instantly and get pissed off when life throws them a curve ball.
Glenmore Road
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The number of posters on this forum who've had a harder life than their grandparents could likely be counted on your fingers.
Granted, it's far more likely to be true of somebody who's currently 20 than of somebody who's currently 70, but it's still rare.
Granted, it's far more likely to be true of somebody who's currently 20 than of somebody who's currently 70, but it's still rare.
egb_hibs
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This is true but there are different types of hard and they have vastly different impacts on mental health I suspect.
I read once that suicide rates drop during crises like war. I'd take a punt a range of factors are at work there, from dragging people out of looking inward in the face of external threats, through to communities pulling together.
I suspect the world kids grow up in now may be materially better off, but psychologically deranging: atomised culture and family units, undermining of reality, making natural attributes of nature like masculinity into problems, pairing hyper sexualisation with making girls afraid of boys and vice versa, telling kids everything they descend from is hateful, teaching kids to support the things that curtail their future, placing them into a de facto surveillance society old folk just bypass (how do you think kids are viewing Farage getting done for what he said as 13yo where everything they do is captured on camera)....
It's like a blueprint for destroying psyches and it's no wonder our young are unhappier and more mentally unhealthily than people in much greater material poverty whether elsewhere now, or in history here.
Smurf
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Life is without question more stressful with many more absolutely suffering but the actual reality is that it isn't and that it shouldn't be. The mind is a powerful tool. To an extent I believe we control it and manipulate it. And all around us we are proactively encouraged to suffer. Especially young folk. It's brutally depressing.
Having just read the blurb on the latest update for my phone, it made me want to throw the phone away - send a quick emoji while driving to let people know you’ve read their message etc. Soon people will be using Apple Maps to get from the bedroom to the bathroom and monitoring their steps and blood pressure while doing it. Air pods that automatically translate what someone nearby says into your language? Fuck me, the world is going crackers, it’s no wonder!
Drives me mental listening to how hard everyone's life is. Life was never easy but we learned to celebrate the happy moments and work through the hard times.
I do think the break up of families doesn't help and pressure to succeed acadecallly or the cost of living. But why anyone should get extra allowances just because they struggle mentally ill never know. What is it their supposed to do with the money to improve their mental health?
Also does my head in all the positive messages in Facebook convincing people how their friends are not real friends unless their there for them at the touch of a button
I do think the break up of families doesn't help and pressure to succeed acadecallly or the cost of living. But why anyone should get extra allowances just because they struggle mentally ill never know. What is it their supposed to do with the money to improve their mental health?
Also does my head in all the positive messages in Facebook convincing people how their friends are not real friends unless their there for them at the touch of a button
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Glenmore Road
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Idle moment. Googled a few things. Came across this from the start of the year.
84% of GPs believing normal swings of mood are being "medicalized" is a shocking figure. Of course, the number of GPs who ever showed any significant interest in psychiatry during their studies, or in their career as GPs, will be very small.
That 83% of GPs believe anti-depressants are over-prescribed is less surprising.
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84% of GPs believing normal swings of mood are being "medicalized" is a shocking figure. Of course, the number of GPs who ever showed any significant interest in psychiatry during their studies, or in their career as GPs, will be very small.
That 83% of GPs believe anti-depressants are over-prescribed is less surprising.
The CSJ Report: Change the Prescription
Mental health has never been more in the spotlight, and for good reason. Recent years have seen a dramatic rise in mental health challenges across Britain. I recently read the CSJ's (Centre for Social Justice) report, "Change the Prescription", and while it offers some hopeful solutions, it also...
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Glenmore Road
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I had never heard of the Centre for Social Justice.
The second thing that came into my mind was that, despite the "Goddamn-commie-fag-pinko-subversive!" (© Kenny Everett) name, they must be "right of centre", which they are.
Normally, I ignore everything with "Justice" in the title, as it's almost a guarantee of "Goddamn-commie-fag-pinko-subversive-ism", where "justice" would more accurately be replaced in the title by "vengeance."
The 1st thing that came into my mind was Sir Humphrey Appleby being summoned by a panicking Jim Hacker to discuss a poll that showed a majority of voters were in favour of reintroducing National Service.
Sir Humphrey reeled off a series of cunning "lead in" questions, starting with something along the lines of, "Are you concerned about the lack of discipline among today's adolescents?", all of which were likely to bring "Yes" answers from the average voter, and finishing with "Do you support the reintroduction of National Service?"
Sir Humphrey then reeled off a different series of cunning "lead in" questions, starting with something like, "Are you concerned about the increasing prevalence of weapons and violence in youth culture?" - again all likely to result in a "Yes" from Joe Public - and ending with "Would you oppose the reintroduction of National Service?"
If the "correct" "lead in" questions are asked and produce a string of "Yes" answers, the respondent can't really answer "No" to the important final question without looking a tit.
I suspect there might have been some "lead in" questions before the crucial one in this GP survey.
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Here is Sir Humphrey.
The second thing that came into my mind was that, despite the "Goddamn-commie-fag-pinko-subversive!" (© Kenny Everett) name, they must be "right of centre", which they are.
Normally, I ignore everything with "Justice" in the title, as it's almost a guarantee of "Goddamn-commie-fag-pinko-subversive-ism", where "justice" would more accurately be replaced in the title by "vengeance."
The 1st thing that came into my mind was Sir Humphrey Appleby being summoned by a panicking Jim Hacker to discuss a poll that showed a majority of voters were in favour of reintroducing National Service.
Sir Humphrey reeled off a series of cunning "lead in" questions, starting with something along the lines of, "Are you concerned about the lack of discipline among today's adolescents?", all of which were likely to bring "Yes" answers from the average voter, and finishing with "Do you support the reintroduction of National Service?"
Sir Humphrey then reeled off a different series of cunning "lead in" questions, starting with something like, "Are you concerned about the increasing prevalence of weapons and violence in youth culture?" - again all likely to result in a "Yes" from Joe Public - and ending with "Would you oppose the reintroduction of National Service?"
If the "correct" "lead in" questions are asked and produce a string of "Yes" answers, the respondent can't really answer "No" to the important final question without looking a tit.
I suspect there might have been some "lead in" questions before the crucial one in this GP survey.
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Here is Sir Humphrey.
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I've never seen an episode of YM or YPM, but I've seen that clip before! And a couple of others. Brilliant. Would like to watch the series, and just looked, its on iplayer...