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http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/leith-walk-tram-line-extension-blocked-by-the-snp-1-3943716

I'll leave it to the Nats on here to support this move. Perhaps they can explain why Nat Councillors in the so called 'coalition' on the Cooncil voted for compulsory redundancies (2000 people). The Scottish Government Community Charge freeze will cost the Cooncil £140,000,000. Utterly bizarre policy up there with the Scottish Governments nutty proposal for me to pay less for my flight to Tenerife.

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It was Labour that came up with the plans for Trams and the costs we're paying for the next 50 years...( SNP/Transport Scotland should've stepped in to run things when it became clear the council was out of it's depth)
I'm in favour of finishing the line but it's a shame because Leith Walk is looking the best in years.

Having not had a pay rise in 10 years i'm grateful for the CT freeze and i'm sure other low earners are too,Maybe with the drop in APD i'll be able to take my wee one on her 1st foreign holiday :glassraise:
 
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It was Labour that came up with the plans for Trams and the costs we're paying for the next 50 years...( SNP/Transport Scotland should've stepped in to run things when it became clear the council was out of it's depth)
I'm in favour of finishing the line but it's a shame because Leith Walk is looking the best in years.

Having not had a pay rise in 10 years i'm grateful for the CT freeze and i'm sure other low earners are too,Maybe with the drop in APD i'll be able to take my wee one on her 1st foreign holiday :glassraise:
If you were one of the 2000 facing their jotters because of it, a foreign holiday will be the last thing on their minds. It also means £140 m cuts in what could be spent on social services.schools,nurseries, etc. Populist bollocks by the SNP government methinks.

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If you were one of the 2000 facing their jotters because of it, a foreign holiday will be the last thing on their minds. It also means £140 m cuts in what could be spent on social services.schools,nurseries, etc. Populist bollocks by the SNP government methinks.

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Hopefully the muted tourist tax will help plug the huge debt built up by the council.

BTW if you have a look at the Pilton sucks website you'll see some cracking allegations of corruption in the council going back the last few years...
 
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eh, sorry big G, but you recently steamed into the Scottish Government in respect of the MUCH needed crossing and road upgrade round it. You stated that the money should have been put to social services (cant mind the exact place(s) you thought the money should go), and just a couple of weeks later yer at them again...for the opposite!... did ye see how much the trams cost ? no sure there were many SNP to blame for that disgrace!

So not sure what your angle is here.... you think that we should hoy another £140,000,000 in this climate to tram leith and her fabulous bus service

Im wi piltonstaney, I too am grateful for the CT freeze!

As a side, and not directed at yourself Big G, how come SNP bounce supporters have to justify EVERYTHING the SNP do or say ??? The reason for the SNP being where they are is solely down to Labour!! This country has voted labour for ever, and it doesnae seem to have done us that well! The reason I can say that with confidence is, well, the scottish people would have voted for them at the last GE. But they didnae. So there was an alternative to the tories now, and it's a group of like minded people who want to put the people of Scotland FIRST!

Easily the best government Scotland has had since the parish was built ootside lizzies big hoose!
 
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Leaving the pros and cons of the topic aside for a moment, it baffles the living shit out of me why, on this and other forums I read, that Labour supporters scrutinise the SNP's governance on everything to the nth degree whilst ignoring and excusing the Tories in Westminster. We're constantly told to forget the Referendum and move on, yet it seems to me that some of the most vocal unionists invested so much in the better together campaign that the SNP have become bigger enemies to them than Cameron and Osbourne. Given that a helluva a lot of SNP supporters and indeed, members, were from labour roots, how can that have came about?
 
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Leaving the pros and cons of the topic aside for a moment, it baffles the living shit out of me why, on this and other forums I read, that Labour supporters scrutinise the SNP's governance on everything to the nth degree whilst ignoring and excusing the Tories in Westminster. We're constantly told to forget the Referendum and move on, yet it seems to me that some of the most vocal unionists invested so much in the better together campaign that the SNP have become bigger enemies to them than Cameron and Osbourne. Given that a helluva a lot of SNP supporters and indeed, members, were from labour roots, how can that have came about?
Outstanding post shades. I was going to type almost exactly that, but I need to roll a fat J. so ah didnae.
 
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Outstanding post shades. I was going to type almost exactly that, but I need to roll a fat J. so ah didnae.
I'm envious - A relocation and lack of opperchancity has seen me devoid of any chronic for almost two years now. Never thought I'd see the day.......
 
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Outstanding post shades. I was going to type almost exactly that, but I need to roll a fat J. so ah didnae.
That's prioritising at it's best there young man :thumbgrin
 
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Outstanding post shades. I was going to type almost exactly that, but I need to roll a fat J. so ah didnae.
Great minds and all big man, just sparked up
I too am grateful for the council tax freeze, seeing as I have had what is effectively a pay reduction for the last 6 yrs! But never mind that, that bloody bridge ffs..... #SNPBaaaaaaaaaaaad
 
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I'm a Nat but no longer support the SNP.

I'd also be inclined to support an increase in council tax rates as well as stopping small business rate relief.. if it resulted in significant improvements in public services when both would see me contributing more.

In regards to the tram coming down the walk, the area on between leith walk and Easter road is the most densely populated part of Scotland, so I can see the logic in bringing it down, possibly even extending it towards portobello using the existing rail track there for the pipe works. I'd also make leith walk/ER a one way system and broaden the pavement on LW massively, take advantage of the obvious shore ditch isation of the walk.

We need an elected mayor like London
 
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I'm a Nat but no longer support the SNP.

I'd also be inclined to support an increase in council tax rates as well as stopping small business rate relief.. if it resulted in significant improvements in public services when both would see me contributing more.

In regards to the tram coming down the walk, the area on between leith walk and Easter road is the most densely populated part of Scotland, so I can see the logic in bringing it down, possibly even extending it towards portobello using the existing rail track there for the pipe works. I'd also make leith walk/ER a one way system and broaden the pavement on LW massively, take advantage of the obvious shore ditch isation of the walk.

We need an elected mayor like London
Not sure about the elected Mayor but the rest is spot on M.

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Not sure about the elected Mayor but the rest is spot on M.

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Was just thinking more accountability

Also, taking the tram along to portobello would allow it to be integrated into the south side suburban circle line, which if I recall, was costed at about £200 million to electrify and reinstate stations.

Compare with the tram and it's enough to weep
 
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Leaving the pros and cons of the topic aside for a moment, it baffles the living shit out of me why, on this and other forums I read, that Labour supporters scrutinise the SNP's governance on everything to the nth degree whilst ignoring and excusing the Tories in Westminster. We're constantly told to forget the Referendum and move on, yet it seems to me that some of the most vocal unionists invested so much in the better together campaign that the SNP have become bigger enemies to them than Cameron and Osbourne. Given that a helluva a lot of SNP supporters and indeed, members, were from labour roots, how can that have came about?
Check out the bloated Labour leadership, Corbyn and Dugdale threads. Fuck all about the rapacious anti working class cuts taking place by the Tories.None so blind as those who cannot see amigo. You should make an effort to understand that you can oppose Independence without being a Unionist. I do and am not. When the SNP government fucks up, privatisation of water services, Cal Mac shortly, or giving a Dutch state owned railway company a 10 year free run, it should be you guys that kick up fuck.

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I'm a Nat but no longer support the SNP.

I'd also be inclined to support an increase in council tax rates as well as stopping small business rate relief.. if it resulted in significant improvements in public services when both would see me contributing more.

In regards to the tram coming down the walk, the area on between leith walk and Easter road is the most densely populated part of Scotland, so I can see the logic in bringing it down, possibly even extending it towards portobello using the existing rail track there for the pipe works. I'd also make leith walk/ER a one way system and broaden the pavement on LW massively, take advantage of the obvious shore ditch isation of the walk.

We need an elected mayor like London
Good post.
Im actually pretty much the same, I'm a Indie but no longer really support them. I joined them a couple of years ago, then left them post GE. (they now get access to huge election funds and can go toe to toe with lab/tories in future elections)... sort of now dinnae like scotland polictically danniiR

Broadly agree re the rates aswell, but cannae see, how in this digital age, we cannae bring in any CT rises through means testings? That could possibly be a nonsence comment and completely unworkable :rollfloor ....

Was fair gutted as I watched the tram horror show unfold, and realised the tram wasnae going down the walk to newhaven. Leith walk is a jewel of edinburgh which never gets the attention it deserves...it should be stunning!
 
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I think the council is slowly beginning to realise the potential value in Leith Walk. I sincerely hope it doesn't become like Las Ramblas, and the beginning of social cleansing mentioned in this article needs to be guarded against as the area keeps its 'soul'

Brian Ferguson: Could former eyesore Leith Walk become the new Las Ramblas? - The Scotsman

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Also, what's this about privatising CalMac?

CalMac Ferry workers strike against SNP privatisation


2 July, 2015 - 09:48


RMT members employed by Caledonian MacBrayne (CalMac) staged three days of industrial action, including a one-day strike, in the last week of June.

A ballot on industrial action held the preceding month had seen a massive majority vote for action: 92% for strike action, and 98% of action short of a strike, on a 60% turnout. The vote was so overwhelming that it passed the requirements of the Tories’ new anti-union legislation.

The dispute centres of the threat to jobs, pensions and working conditions resulting from the fact that the Clyde and Hebrides ferry services, currently provided by CalMac, have been put out to tender.

Tenders are to be submitted by December, with the result announced in May of next year.

Apart from CalMac, the international business-outsourcing company Serco is also bidding for the eight-year contract for the ferry services and the £1 billion a year funding that goes with it.

In 2012 Serco beat CalMac to win the contract for the Northern Isles ferry services – and then promptly attacked staffing levels and the pensions and terms and conditions of employment of the CalMac employees transferred into Serco.

Serco also recently took over the Caledonian Sleeper rail service from Scotland to London in another tendering process run by the SNP Scottish government (which also saw Scottish domestic rail services handed over to Abellio).

The RMT, to which around half of CalMac’s 1,400 workforce belongs, is demanding guarantees that, whoever wins the Clyde and Hebrides contract, there will be no compulsory redundancies, and pensions and terms and conditions of employment will be preserved.

The SNP government – which is overseeing the tendering process, as well as being the sole shareholder in David MacBrayne Ltd., of which CalMac is a subsidiary – has repeatedly refused to give such assurances.

Instead, its Transport Minister, David Mackay, has claimed that the tendering process – despite the risk of Serco winning the contract – does not amount to privatisation!

As RMT General Secretary Mick Cash responded: “It is extraordinary that rather than standing up for Scotland’s lifeline ferry services, those who hold political power have resorted to ludicrous arguments about what does and doesn’t represent privatisation.”

The SNP government has also claimed that EU rules oblige it to periodically put Scottish ferry services out to tender, although transport unions and the Scottish TUC have consistently argued that this is not the case.

With no movement from the SNP government in response to the RMT ballot result, RMT members staged a two-day work-to-rule followed by a 24-hour strike in the last week of June.

SNP Deputy First Minister praised Calmac’s response to the strike, saying that it had done a “commendable job” in allegedly ensuring there were sufficient services to carry 40% of normal passenger capacity during the strike.

The TSSA, which claims to represent around a hundred CalMac office staff, is currently also balloting its members.

The RMT’s industrial action also triggered a statement from the SNP Trade Union Group, which largely consisted of a series of homilies about good working conditions and the role of the SNP government in standing up for Scotland’s interests in Europe.

The response from the RMT was brief and to the point:

"This statement from a group claiming to represent trade unionists makes not a single mention of support for fellow trade unionists battling to defend jobs and services.

Instead, it hides behind a barrage of EU anti-worker legislation that has no relevance at all to this dispute and which could be challenged anyway with a united campaign.

You can't claim to be anti-austerity, pro-working-class and pro-public-services and then duck the issue when jobs and services are under all-out attack like on CalMac. The question to the SNP TU Group is: which side are you o‎n?"

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By the way the RMT are not affiliated to the Labour Party and do not back it financially.

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I'm a Nat but no longer support the SNP.

I'd also be inclined to support an increase in council tax rates as well as stopping small business rate relief.. if it resulted in significant improvements in public services when both would see me contributing more.

In regards to the tram coming down the walk, the area on between leith walk and Easter road is the most densely populated part of Scotland, so I can see the logic in bringing it down, possibly even extending it towards portobello using the existing rail track there for the pipe works. I'd also make leith walk/ER a one way system and broaden the pavement on LW massively, take advantage of the obvious shore ditch isation of the walk.

We need an elected mayor like London
Absolutely in favour of an elected mayor.
 
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Leaving the pros and cons of the topic aside for a moment, it baffles the living $#@! out of me why, on this and other forums I read, that Labour supporters scrutinise the SNP's governance on everything to the nth degree whilst ignoring and excusing the Tories in Westminster. We're constantly told to forget the Referendum and move on, yet it seems to me that some of the most vocal unionists invested so much in the better together campaign that the SNP have become bigger enemies to them than Cameron and Osbourne. Given that a helluva a lot of SNP supporters and indeed, members, were from labour roots, how can that have came about?
eegie argument there...

nobody disagrees here - that i'm aware - that the tories are butchers and ****s. However, there is a genuine tendency on here to shut down criticism of the SNP if it's inconvenient and accuse those responsible of being little englanders or closet tories or whatever - rather than just someone who thinks they should have built a tram...
 
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That's prioritising at it's best there young man :thumbgrin
You can call it that if you like.
Personally I think it's massively disrespectful to Jamie.

You guys need to get a grip.


Or a joint maybe. Just calm the fcuk down.
 
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