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hibbybilly

hibbybilly

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Labour has suspended the following MPs after they voted for the SNP amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap - Apsana Begum - Imran Hussain - Rebecca Long Bailey - Ian Byrne - Richard Burgon - Zarah Sultana - John McDonnell
 
hibbybilly said:
Labour has suspended the following MPs after they voted for the SNP amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap - Apsana Begum - Imran Hussain - Rebecca Long Bailey - Ian Byrne - Richard Burgon - Zarah Sultana - John McDonnell
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Posturing from them all... As is the resulting suspensions.
 
Regardless of the question at stake (unless it’s racism, Jew baiting or whatever), or the party involved, has it always been a thing to suspend people voting against the whip (I assume)? How the fuck does that permit people to represent their constituencies. This all seems very Blair-like to me, but do the tories do it, or pre Blair Labour?
 
egb_hibs said:
Regardless of the question at stake (unless it’s racism, Jew baiting or whatever), or the party involved, has it always been a thing to suspend people voting against the whip (I assume)? How the fuck does that permit people to represent their constituencies. This all seems very Blair-like to me, but do the tories do it, or pre Blair Labour?
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They all do.
 
egb_hibs said:
Regardless of the question at stake (unless it’s racism, Jew baiting or whatever), or the party involved, has it always been a thing to suspend people voting against the whip (I assume)? How the fuck does that permit people to represent their constituencies. This all seems very Blair-like to me, but do the tories do it, or pre Blair Labour?
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It's new democracy. Vote how you want, so long as it is how we instruct you to.
 
Smurf said:
Dearie me.
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I think they are, though not perhaps in the ‘politicians are all shite’ way which is a bit cynical for my liking.

You could make a case for variations with the likes of Corbyn and Johnson, but really is there much variation in the thread that runs through Blair and Brown, Cameron and Osborne, Sunak, Starmer?

To me, genuinely - correct me if you think I’m wrong - they are all from the same metropolitan tribe, with the same basic worldview, and very much the same assumptions.

Some variations on prioritising the public vs private sector managerial class perhaps, but that’s about it; they’re all Davos men, they’re all ‘anywheres’, and I’m not sure any of them can see outside an upper middle class consensus that is so obviously failing.
 
If you vote for one of the UniParty....you can't really complain.

Is there any difference between Tory's and Labour?

It's unbelievable how many stupid people thought Labour would be better..🤣😂🤣


By the time Labour are done.....UK will be done also!
 
Dub said:
The SNP has the Scottish Child Payment in place to try to mitigate the worst of what is a reserved matter. Why would anyone point the finger at Swinney for that?
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Because the Scottish Government makes the political choice not to mitigate the two child cap.
 
Smurf said:
Most people support the cap.
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I wonder why (assuming true). Cant about spongers? Our culture’s hostility to children ? A looming demographic crisis and connections to other areas of social concern getting barely any coverage ?

Still, there’s a new class politics coming and perhaps the primacy of the childless investment banker or media darling has passed it’s peak?

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Suella Braverman Sparks Outcry In The Commons Over U-Turn In 2-Child Benefit Cap

"You voted for it!" One MP reminded the former home secretary.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
 
Ryan69 said:
If you vote for one of the UniParty....you can't really complain.

Is there any difference between Tory's and Labour?

It's unbelievable how many stupid people thought Labour would be better..🤣😂🤣


By the time Labour are done.....UK will be done also!
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I agree. (bar the very last sentence)

Please do not ever post something i agree with again!!!!

FFS, am away for a lie doon:drop:
 
egb_hibs said:
I wonder why (assuming true). Cant about spongers? Our culture’s hostility to children ? A looming demographic crisis and connections to other areas of social concern getting barely any coverage ?

Still, there’s a new class politics coming and perhaps the primacy of the childless investment banker or media darling has passed it’s peak?

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Suella Braverman Sparks Outcry In The Commons Over U-Turn In 2-Child Benefit Cap

"You voted for it!" One MP reminded the former home secretary.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
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Most folk who are working are struggling to support their own kids and if they were not struggling they might have had more kids themselves in an ideal world.

So understandable that they resent the thought of them paying their taxes to support families where parents choose to not work?

Obviously it isn't as simple as that but I personally think it needs creative thinking for work to really pay and to ensure kids are not in poverty.
 
I look at those names and it is all just performative gesture theatre really. They can safely be ignored as this section of the Labour Party is not really present with the rest of us in reality.

I am not surprised one bit that the Corbyn faction (I see a lot of worship for him still out there on FB and the Guardian comments and all a bit unhinged I think) are already out to be the anti party. Tedious but expected. Nothing will ever be good enough for these people and the act of compromise with evidence and reality over ideology and dogma is too much for them to bear. They will also never actually have to implement any policy or take any real decisions that affect people so they can carp on the sidelines and make them feel all lovely and warm with the little pressure groupies.
 
Smurf said:
Most folk who are working are struggling to support their own kids and if they were not struggling they might have had more kids themselves in an ideal world.

So understandable that they resent the thought of them paying their taxes to support families where parents choose to not work?

Obviously it isn't as simple as that but I personally think it needs creative thinking for work to really pay and to ensure kids are not in poverty.
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That's fair. Should be accompanied by increased support for working parents. Plenty of free riders to foot the bill. Alas I think they are new Labour's favoured client group, as well as for Cambourne blue new labour sorts
 
egb_hibs said:
That's fair. Should be accompanied by increased support for working parents. Plenty of free riders to foot the bill. Alas I think they are new Labour's favoured client group, as well as for Cambourne blue new labour sorts
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I think the principle of raising the income threshold as high as possible before you pay Income Tax is a good one. For working parents they should have a much higher threshold. Work needs to be seen to really pay. This Labour Government needs to make benefits much less attractive and work much more attractive.
 
Smurf said:
I think the principle of raising the income threshold as high as possible before you pay Income Tax is a good one. For working parents they should have a much higher threshold. Work needs to be seen to really pay. This Labour Government needs to make benefits much less attractive and work much more attractive.
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Need to be proper jobs though where a full time wage can actually cover the costs. And end the stigma around doing a lot of the "lower" level jobs that need doing and make them more attractive, and yes pay and conditions. I am sure the shareholders and Directors can take few percent smaller bonus every year to chuck the serfs a few bones that would make a considerable difference.
 
jetsam1 said:
Need to be proper jobs though where a full time wage can actually cover the costs. And end the stigma around doing a lot of the "lower" level jobs that need doing and make them more attractive, and yes pay and conditions. I am sure the shareholders and Directors can take few percent smaller bonus every year to chuck the serfs a few bones that would make a considerable difference.
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Most businesses that employ most people are not owned by directors and shareholders taking bonuses.
 
jetsam1 said:
Need to be proper jobs though where a full time wage can actually cover the costs. And end the stigma around doing a lot of the "lower" level jobs that need doing and make them more attractive, and yes pay and conditions. I am sure the shareholders and Directors can take few percent smaller bonus every year to chuck the serfs a few bones that would make a considerable difference.
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Well that's unlikely to happen. I understand illegal migration has ramped up again since Labour took office so I don't expect legal to suffer that much.

And with an almost endlessly elastic supply of labour, wages aren't going up any more than an apple will fall upwards from a tree.

The tories were quick to stamp on the immediate and pronounced rise in wages that followed the brexit vote, by finding alternative sources of labour market elasticity.

Commitment to this is one thing that earns the uni party moniker for the uniparty
 
egb_hibs said:
Regardless of the question at stake (unless it’s racism, Jew baiting or whatever), or the party involved, has it always been a thing to suspend people voting against the whip (I assume)? How the fuck does that permit people to represent their constituencies. This all seems very Blair-like to me, but do the tories do it, or pre Blair Labour?
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It used to only be for MPs who repeatedly defied the party whip, not first timers. Having said that, the whole whipping system is a joke; turns MPs into mere lobby fodder.
 
Archie said:
Because the Scottish Government makes the political choice not to mitigate the two child cap.
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You didn't bother to read my reply then. The Scottish Child payment is in place to mitigate against A RESERVED MATTER using money from a fixed budget. I know you're not thick so I can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse.
 
Dub said:
You didn't bother to read my reply then. The Scottish Child payment is in place to mitigate against A RESERVED MATTER using money from a fixed budget. I know you're not thick so I can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse.
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Ok. So the Scottish Government has welfare powers - agreed? It can choose to make welfare payments. They have chosen to make the Scottish Child payment - a good thing. They have chosen not to address the two child cap. That's a political choice. The Scottish budget is not fixed.
 
egb_hibs said:
Regardless of the question at stake (unless it’s racism, Jew baiting or whatever), or the party involved, has it always been a thing to suspend people voting against the whip (I assume)? How the fuck does that permit people to represent their constituencies. This all seems very Blair-like to me, but do the tories do it, or pre Blair Labour?
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I cant remember Blair suspending MP's.
Not for voting against him at least.
 
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