I listened to his whole speech.
It was like Shabby Lilo on valium.
He should have read through it first. Even the live TV news interrupted half way through to give the weather forecast, the lottery result, and a story about firemen rescuing a cat up a tree then running over the beast in their fire engine, and when they went back to Kenny he still hadn't freed the boy. Maybe they were hoping he'd peg it during the interminable speech.
didnt see the speech but right decision imo - good odds the boy never done it and shouldn't die in prison for something he didnt do - still not learning after guildford and birmingham
should now have a full enquiry or allow the appeal to continue in absentia - politics will mean that never happens though :sad
I'd say from your standpoint it was a good outcome rather than a good decision. If he was innocent then he should be freed as an innocent man.
The way that he was "freed" means that we may never have the truth.
I'm undecided I must admit - but I haven't been party to much in the way of truths - just what has been presented as facts.
And I'm not sure they are.
I'd say from your standpoint it was a good outcome rather than a good decision. If he was innocent then he should be freed as an innocent man.
The way that he was "freed" means that we may never have the truth.
Kenny McCaskill has stressed that the release was granted purely on compassionate grounds, and confirmed that in an interview on Newsnight tonight.
But you have to wonder if his decision wasn't at least influenced by suspicions about the safety of the guilty verdict.
I don't really know enough of the evidence to really have an opinion but i've always listened to that father of a victim Jim Swire and found him articulate and reasonable. He appears to believe he's entirely innocent....
That said bottom line he was tried and found guilty.
However, it's interesting to note that Kenny McCaskill has rejected SEVEN other requests for release on compassionate grounds during his short period in office.
Wonder what they crimes were. Must have been more than the worst terrorist atrocity in UK history...
I found Kenny McCaskill going on about the Scottish values etc etc deeply embarassing.
First of all, my apologies to the Scots for all of the trashy commentary here. Clearly, people are still not skilled enough to read between the lines from our Politburo western media complex as to what is really going on. It's fairly obvious that this is part of the deal that was struck with Ghadafi a month ago when Obama visited him and the Scots are the fall guys. The reward is oil. BP will be a drillin there shortly.
I don't really know enough of the evidence to really have an opinion but i've always listened to that father of a victim Jim Swire and found him articulate and reasonable. He appears to believe he's entirely innocent....
That said bottom line he was tried and found guilty.
However, it's interesting to note that Kenny McCaskill has rejected SEVEN other requests for release on compassionate grounds during his short period in office.
Wonder what they crimes were. Must have been more than the worst terrorist atrocity in UK history...
I found Kenny McCaskill going on about the Scottish values etc etc deeply embarassing.
Interesting post on the bbc comments thingy:
Sounds about right to me.
You've more faces than the town clock.
You said to me you didn't know if he was guilty. Yet now you're saying, he's been found guilty, so that's that?
If you think he didn't blow up the plane, then surely you're not saying ''Ach well, he was found guilty, so he must be.''
That's worse than freeing a murderer.
The question of his guilt or otherwise doesn't enter into this decision. That was made very clear. He has been found guilty by a Scottish court of law.
Unfortunately we have to assume he's guilty as he was found guilty. Going on the logic that he probably never did it we should release paedophiles who were found guilty but we say probably didn't do it.
Apologies for jumping to conclusion and getting the facts mixed up. Seems all too easy nowadays. :roll:I think you have misunderstood my post. My point was concerning the action of the Scottish government, in that it was stated to have been taken independently of the issue of whether or not the person concerned was unfairly convicted
My own opinion is another matter, and in fact I have grave doubts that he was fairly convicted. So your personal vindictiveness is a bit misplaced.
Your comments were very personalised and based on a limited understanding of the discussion, and a very limited knowledge of my own mindset. All too easy for some it seems. I'd appreciate it if you would forget anything you have learned about my background in the context of any future discussion. Thanks in advance.
Well there you go 2 views on the one profession. I'm sure you'll have those that agree with you, and I'll have folk that agree with me. I'm sure when all facts were presented, both of us could change minds."the vast majority of teachers I have met in my job are neurotic, knee jerking, self centred, whinging arseholes."
Well this Propaganda monkey has found most of the teachers he has come across to be good people, who put a shift in for the kids in their care and if they/I whinge, it tends to be about fairly justified things.
In releasing Al Megrachi(be it right ly or wrongly) , Kenny Mcaskil has made Scotland about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit with the Western world , he has now made our great wee country an enemy of the USofA, at a time when the Scottish economy is on it's arse the last thing we need is companies pulling out of investing in Scotland
If Megrachi is innocent who bombed the plane?
Just my humble opinion
By the way, how ironic just 48 hours after Megrahi leaves, an even bigger killer finally says sorry. Lt William Calley, a real keen G.I. Joe, has apologised for slaughtering 500 men, women and children at My Lai during the Vietnam war. Calley was sentenced to life imprisonment which Richard Nixon then commuted to 3 feckin years house arrest!! And they try to lecture us in how to imprison mass murderers!!!
The greatest tragedy of all will be if political expedience dictates the compromise of such a fundamental moral principle as the inherent unlawfulness of the murder of innocent persons
In releasing Al Megrachi(be it right ly or wrongly) , Kenny Mcaskil has made Scotland about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit with the Western world , he has now made our great wee country an enemy of the USofA.
....right decision imo - good odds the boy never done it and shouldn't die in prison for something he didnt do - .......
My auntie was on the jury for this, and I've never saw her more angry or upset. She spent a portion of her life in Holland listening to the case of this, and to her it seems as if this period has been a waste of time now. That is from somebody on the jury.
Why would they want judges as their jury and not 12 "laymen"?So, politicians decide who is and is not guilty not the courts? That would worry me A LOT!!!
Libya made three stipulations, when agreeing to hand over the two accused to the Scottish police: that they would not be interviewed by the police; no one else in Libya would be sought for the bombing; and, that the trial should be before three Scottish judges, sitting without a jury. On 5 April 1999, over a year ahead of the start of the trial, Megrahi and Fhimah arrived in the Netherlands.
You wouldn't be winding us up would you? (I would check your pants are not alight BTW!!:sɯɐʎ
So, politicians decide who is and is not guilty not the courts? That would worry me A LOT!!!
Libya made three stipulations, when agreeing to hand over the two accused to the Scottish police: that they would not be interviewed by the police; no one else in Libya would be sought for the bombing; and, that the trial should be before three Scottish judges, sitting without a jury. On 5 April 1999, over a year ahead of the start of the trial, Megrahi and Fhimah arrived in the Netherlands.
You wouldn't be winding us up would you? (I would check your pants are not alight BTW!!:sɯɐʎ
better put the brakes on this one Stu.Your right. My Auntie must have lied about being there. In fact, my time visiting her there must also be a lie! Don't accuse me of lying about something as serious as this. This may shock you, but I did in fact experience the events of my life.
Also, Scottish law has that three judges are only in attendance for appeals. This wasn't an appeal, so either the Scottish law went against Scottish law, or wiki has been edited. Take your pick!
Oh, they aren't alight phew
better put the brakes on this one Stu.
I,m pretty sure it wasnt a jury but 3 judges who decided the outcome of the trial
better put the brakes on this one Stu.
I,m pretty sure it wasnt a jury but 3 judges who decided the outcome of the trial
12 "laymen"?
I never called you a liarSo my auntie attended all these courts, lived for a portion of her life in a lie then ? I have my serious doubts about that. She has worked in VIA for many years, only just moving into the trials dept. I've never seen her as angry and upset as she was when the announcement was made. Given that it was her son's (my godson's) birthday, I would presume it be nigh on impossible to upset her.
I may be many things, but I'm not a fcuking liar!
I never called you a liar
I was trying to give you some advice"maybe wrong", but well intentioned.
If I am wrong it dont me me a f**king liar
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