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Always a decent pundit on the BBC. He's now more in touch with working class thoughts and concerns than most with the working class abandoned by Labour & the SNP.

He's getting stick (obviously and of course) for this article but for me he's spot on and brave. Too many are burying their heads in the sand.

www.thecourier.co.uk

JIM SPENCE: Ignoring immigration fears will hand Holyrood seats to Nigel Farage's Reform

"There’s little reason to think Scots are any less concerned than people south of the border over the effects of unchecked immigration."
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“Those naïve nationalists who think we’re a unique breed of folk with the milk of human kindness coursing through our veins may not like to hear it, but there’s little reason to think that Scots are any less concerned than people south of the border over the effects of unchecked immigration”

Spot on with this. Moreover, it’s exactly the kind of national exceptionalism that curdles in a snap when put under stress. Right now it’s all directed relatively harmlessly in myths about westmonster but with Scotland now finally aboard the mass migration train, we will see how long that lasts.
 
1875 said:
I think he has become a total fanny recently. Did you see his SNP RC X post today?
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Aye - I found the point a bit pointless. Is he implying the SNP is some anti RC movement? I do think he's bringing to the surface stuff that's out there with where he's going with things... And we need that M as there's too much unsayable and undiscussable. Otherwise we are sleepwalking into something really different and frightening.
 
Smurf said:
Aye - I found the point a bit pointless. Is he implying the SNP is some anti RC movement? I do think he's bringing to the surface stuff that's out there with where he's going with things... And we need that M as there's too much unsayable and undiscussable. Otherwise we are sleepwalking into something really different and frightening.
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Historically they were, which Salmond made great efforts to finally dispel. Not convinced they aren’t drifting that away again, with hostility to Protestants in the mix an all now. Anyone who thinks this is about dobbery is stuck in the past. Think green not orange here.
 
That said @Smurf is Spence a labour man, because if he is, he has his priorities somewhat askew in targetting the SNP. Greens aside, oh and maybe the latter day lib dems, Labour is the least likely party to tolerate a catholic leader. Or Jewish one. And perhaps Protestant one.
 
egb_hibs said:
That said @Smurf is Spence a labour man, because if he is, he has his priorities somewhat askew in targetting the SNP. Greens aside, oh and maybe the latter day lib dems, Labour is the least likely party to tolerate a catholic leader. Or Jewish one. And perhaps Protestant one.
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He's old Labour completely disenchanted with them and what he perceives as their lack of legitimate working class concerns.
 
Smurf said:
Always a decent pundit on the BBC. He's now more in touch with working class thoughts and concerns than most with the working class abandoned by Labour & the SNP.

He's getting stick (obviously and of course) for this article but for me he's spot on and brave. Too many are burying their heads in the sand.

www.thecourier.co.uk

JIM SPENCE: Ignoring immigration fears will hand Holyrood seats to Nigel Farage's Reform

"There’s little reason to think Scots are any less concerned than people south of the border over the effects of unchecked immigration."
www.thecourier.co.uk www.thecourier.co.uk
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I think he's a complete clown,
 
Threads about the profundity of thoughts of Musky Muskrat and an ex fitba pundit, an article by lunatics at Spiked, and it's only the second day of the new year, FFS!

A portent of the direction of some of the absurdity on the Cowshed continues, unfortunately.

"Shapes of things before my eyes
Just teach me to despise
Will time make men more wise?"
The Shape of Things - The Yardbirds

"We have to keep other people at arm's length, because letting them see our hyperfixations, meltdowns, obsessions, and outbursts could mean losing their respect" - Devon Price. Wise words from a guy half my age.

BIG G
 
I don't know anything about his politics but I did laugh when he was hosting that Scottish version of Question Time when the panel were discussing "Isla Bryson". Spence asked the lib dem leader Alex Cole-Hamilton whether Bryson was a man or a woman. ACH mumbled something to the effect of I can't say as I don't know this individual to which Spence, exasperated at the equivocation, said "you can see his tadger!!!' 😆
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
Threads about the profundity of thoughts of Musky Muskrat and an ex fitba pundit, an article by lunatics at Spiked, and it's only the second day of the new year, FFS!

A portent of the direction of some of the absurdity on the Cowshed continues, unfortunately.

"Shapes of things before my eyes
Just teach me to despise
Will time make men more wise?"
The Shape of Things - The Yardbirds

"We have to keep other people at arm's length, because letting them see our hyperfixations, meltdowns, obsessions, and outbursts could mean losing their respect" - Devon Price. Wise words from a guy half my age.

BIG G
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We’ve no even had a Marxist article yet G!

Are they all watching the tanks parade at Red square, or is that May Day :giggle
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
Threads about the profundity of thoughts of Musky Muskrat and an ex fitba pundit, an article by lunatics at Spiked, and it's only the second day of the new year, FFS!

A portent of the direction of some of the absurdity on the Cowshed continues, unfortunately.

"Shapes of things before my eyes
Just teach me to despise
Will time make men more wise?"
The Shape of Things - The Yardbirds

"We have to keep other people at arm's length, because letting them see our hyperfixations, meltdowns, obsessions, and outbursts could mean losing their respect" - Devon Price. Wise words from a guy half my age.

BIG G
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I've thought a lot about this post. I think we are seeing a world where folk who have ideals and principles as their starting point are having them challenged each and every day by the realities of what is actually happening in front of them. And more and more folks ideals and principles are based on the realities of actual life not some romantic wish list written down in a book of how life could be. The net result of this is the absolute collapse of the political spectrum. Less and less people feel left or right or look to the left or right for answers. More and more are listening to folk who talk of their concerns. And ultimately folk don't care who or what these folk supposedly are as all they want is folk addressing their concerns. The 1945 Labour Party manifesto was populism that absolutely addressed they concerns. And that they then did what they said. They said what they meant and meant what they said. No answers are forthcoming from any main political party. That the concerns of the wider population are more articulated by an ex fitba pundit than any elected or not high profile political representative should trouble us all. Nobody feels represented in a time when folk have never felt so political and never felt so angry. I think what we see on the Bounce is not any absurdity but the concerns of where all of this is heading. Some may prefer the Owen Jones approach verging on Comical Ali of denying everything and anything referring back to Karl Marx searching for the soul of all the ideals he's ever had but my outlook and perspective is based on real life events and realities. And hopefully one day they'll be represented.
 
Smurf said:
I've thought a lot about this post. I think we are seeing a world where folk who have ideals and principles as their starting point are having them challenged each and every day by the realities of what is actually happening in front of them. And more and more folks ideals and principles are based on the realities of actual life not some romantic wish list written down in a book of how life could be. The net result of this is the absolute collapse of the political spectrum. Less and less people feel left or right or look to the left or right for answers. More and more are listening to folk who talk of their concerns. And ultimately folk don't care who or what these folk supposedly are as all they want is folk addressing their concerns. The 1945 Labour Party manifesto was populism that absolutely addressed the concerns. And that they then did what they said. They said what they meant and meant what they said. No answers are forthcoming from any main political party. That the concerns of the wider population are more articulated by an ex fitba pundit than any elected or not high profile political representative should trouble us all. Nobody feels represented in a time when folk have never felt so political and never felt so angry. I think what we see on the Bounce is not any absurdity but the concerns of where all of this is heading. Some may prefer the Owen Jones approach verging on Comical Ali of denying everything and anything referring back to Karl Marx searching for the soul of all the ideals he's ever had but my outlook and perspective is based on real life events and realities. And hopefully one day they'll be represented.
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At least until Ryan starts posting his sources, the most conspiratorial and post truth sources quoted on here are the various Marxist organs. That’s simply a fact and unchanged by the fact that some of their material is robust in diagnosis of problems.

I do find it ironic that Gordon expects us to be deterred by the fact that spiked comes from people originally involved in a far left sectarian spat. As if that makes it less credible than communist sources who continue to advocate for a political philosophy that explcitly rejects reality and where lies have always been stock in trade.

And yet I for one will take those communist articles on their individual merit. Gordon appears to decide on whether something is valid or not based on who says it and which pulpit they say it from. It’s the logic of a cult.

But as you say, many people are discomfited by a world in tumult within which outmoded fantasies are being swept away, and everything is inverted or all at sea: so called radicals denounce authentic proletarian revolt, the left shill for global capitalism, conservatives spout quasi socialism and flirt with leftist authoritarianism, anti Nazis persecute Jews, opposition to racism is far right, women with cocks issue rape threats to feminists and yet get air cover, reason is racist, white girls lives don’t matter….
 
He’s not wrong.

Everyone knows there is an immigration problem and it’s getting worse, but people can’t make reasonable points on it without being called a racist.

It’s a very serious situation that’s already causing huge problems but Labour will brush it under the carpet and ignore.
 
Population of Scotland has increased by around 6% in the last 50 years

The underlying issue of TFR is much bigger, as population is projected to fall again soon

It’s only migration that has kept population growth as a positive number recently as more people die than are born
 
Purple & Green said:
Population of Scotland has increased by around 6% in the last 50 years
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Indeed, but it rose 0.8% between 2022 and 2023. We’re finally on our way to the pattern long prevailing down south and in Europe.
Purple & Green said:
The underlying issue of TFR is much bigger, as population is projected to fall again soon

It’s only migration that has kept population growth as a positive number recently as more people die than are born
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Correct. Scot’s are dying off. Like the English, Germans, French, Italians etc.
 
egb_hibs said:
Indeed, but it rose 0.8% between 2022 and 2023. We’re finally on our way to the pattern long prevailing down south and in Europe.

Correct. Scot’s are dying off. Like the English, Germans, French, Italians etc.
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these scots migrating, are dying off? Wtf! When did this happen? Itll be that *&*^ starmer.
 
emerald green said:
these scots migrating, are dying off? Wtf! When did this happen? Itll be that *&*^ starmer.
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The ‘native’ Scottish population is aging and shrinking precipitously, even by general European standards.

Until very recently we have had very little migration meaning the population of Scotland as a whole is aging badly, and over the course of our lifetimes we’ve gone from more than 11% of the UK total population to less than 8%.

The white British population is shrinking about 25% with every generation. Not seen a break out for Scots based on ethnicity, but Scots as a whole are reducing by more than a third with each generation, and you can be sure native Scots are worse than the average.

Not sure where you picked up a point about Scots migrating ; in any case it was not one I intended.

This is of course the first reason we are in the economic doldrums and won’t be escaping them any time soon.
 
emerald green said:
reduction of % of population of UK is surely due to the population explosion of England.
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For sure, all of which is down to migration and increased longevity with the latter being a temporary effect. It’s also why the average Scot is nearly two years older than the average Englander - and they’re old. (Edit - tbf we are also. two years younger than the average white Brit)

The long and short is England has been changing into something that is not England as it was, very fast. The upside is it makes them a more viable country in some ways than Scotland is (and less viable than others). Scotland is now onboard with this, just literally in the post Covid era, so we are finally on the way to becoming a more modern country with all the challenges that brings. I mean I think it kills Indy forever for starters.
 
The real action is in SE Asia. Given they don’t like immigration, and with their truly calamitous birth rates, iirc South Korea is in course to lose 80% of its population over the next couple of generations. I mean fuck knows what happens at that point because all your services collapse obviously as a tiny number of workers cannot prop up a bunch of oldies. Invaded by someone like China or NK I expect.
 
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