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Starmer new labour leader
 
I'm pleased. We need opposition to Boris to give proper scrutiny. Jeremy was never going to be elected. Keir has credibility.
 
Lisa Nandy was for me by far the best candidate, but she was never going to win. Starmer had the support of the major unions and the CLP's. He has a huge job on his hands. Labour have lost vast swathes of it's own heartlands in England and Wales with Scotland heading for independence. He also becomes leader at a time when the whole country is in a state of national emergency and therefore has to play a part in helping the government get the country through this nightmare as well as scrutinising everything they do and holding them properly to account. The economy will be in tatters when this is all over, and it will take years to recover from it. He is a capable guy, but Nandy for me was the only one who recognised that the party had to completely change if it ever wanted to be elected again at Westminster.
 
The leader of the Labour party, a Sir. Deary me. In saying that I know nothing about him.
 
The leader of the Labour party, a Sir. Deary me. In saying that I know nothing about him.

His mum was a nurse and his dad a toolmaker. He was named after Keir Hardie. Let's hope he remembers his roots...
 
A more principled man may have refused a knighthood :5:
 
A more principled man may have refused a knighthood :5:
I would, but that's because I'm a republican. Why would he?
 
The torys destroyed Corbyn by repeatedly pointing out his perceived weaknesses, even when they were on about other stuff. They always managed to get a dig in. On the other hand I always thought Corbyn and Co always gave in incompetent torys an easy ride.

Labour and the other opposition parties now have even more ammunition to constantly remind the electorate how shite the torys have been all these years.

They need to do that and they need to be relentless.
 
A more principled man may have refused a knighthood :5:

Fcuk you too.

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Fcukin pleb.
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Fcuk you too.

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Fcukin pleb.
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Get back in your shed you.
 
The torys destroyed Corbyn by repeatedly pointing out his perceived weaknesses, even when they were on about other stuff. They always managed to get a dig in. On the other hand I always thought Corbyn and Co always gave in incompetent torys an easy ride.

Labour and the other opposition parties now have even more ammunition to constantly remind the electorate how shite the torys have been all these years.

They need to do that and they need to be relentless.
The labour party destroyed Corbyn by coming up with policies that were either financial pie in the sky or the electorate didn't think were important . As I said before concentrating on the rail network and the NHS might have worked but the scatter gun approach just made too much seem unachievable. Corbyn was unelectable and if labour had a half decent leader johnson would have been blown out the water , His stance on brexit didnae help either
 
I’m no Labour supporter but he is more likely to have credibility with swing voters than Corbyn so he may be the Labour party’s last hope....whether they like it or not.


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Yet his questions asked yesterday in PMQ's were the best asked in years...
 
Starmer new labour leader
Sir of the labour party, deary me
 
Yet his questions asked yesterday in PMQ's were the best asked in years...

I watched it. Never laid a hand on Rabb. He could have savaged Rabb and his Tory chums on their NHS record over the past 12 years. Perhaps this Knight of the Realm has indeed an eye on a position in a National Government. He should not forget the hammering that was handed out in Scotland and not recovered from when Lord Darling of Roulanish was a Director of the disastrous Better Together Campaign. What is it with right wing Labour Sirs and Lord, solicitors?

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I watched it. Never laid a hand on Rabb. He could have savaged Rabb and his Tory chums on their NHS record over the past 12 years. Perhaps this Knight of the Realm has indeed an eye on a position in a National Government. He should not forget the hammering that was handed out in Scotland and not recovered from when Lord Darling of Roulanish was a Director of the disastrous Better Together Campaign. What is it with right wing Labour Sirs and Lord, solicitors?

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As the Torys had a mantra to dis Corbyn at every turn and showed the seeds of doubt in the electorates mind Sir Keir and Co could do worse than do a similar job on the Torys and their handling of the NHS.

It was something that nice chap Corbyn and his chums never managed.
 
As the Torys had a mantra to dis Corbyn at every turn and showed the seeds of doubt in the electorates mind Sir Keir and Co could do worse than do a similar job on the Torys and their handling of the NHS.

It was something that nice chap Corbyn and his chums never managed.

You do realise it was not just the Tories, Daily attacks by the Press,Tom Watson and Blairite MP's attempting coups, which Starmer supported by the way. The assassination of Corbyn was as the leaked document shows, went to the very top with Blairite officials scandalously actively working not only to remove him but for a Labour defeat in the 2017 election.
As the Scottish Independence supporting The National put it.......


or the Jewish Voice for Labour......


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You do realise it was not just the Tories, Daily attacks by the Press,Tom Watson and Blairite MP's attempting coups, which Starmer supported by the way. The assassination of Corbyn was as the leaked document shows, went to the very top with Blairite officials scandalously actively working not only to remove him but for a Labour defeat in the 2017 election.
As the Scottish Independence supporting The National put it.....


or the Jewish Voice for Labour....


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I know its probably pie in the sky but I'd like to think we all have a common enemy in the Torys and that's who we all should be fighting, together. As long as the Labour Party is fighting itself that war is not going to be won.
 
I know its probably pie in the sky but I'd like to think we all have a common enemy in the Torys and that's who we all should be fighting, together. As long as the Labour Party is fighting itself that war is not going to be won.

That is my opinion.
 
Just been reading starmer was director of public prosecutions when savile was being investigated, he decided there was no case to answer.
That’s not a good look
 
Time to learn from history everybody. When Margaret Thatcher was asked what her biggest achievement was, she replied 'New Labour'. That process continued with Tony Bliar and now Keir Starmer. Corbyn represented the chance of a new society, that was thrown away betrayed by the right wing in his own party.
 
I know its probably pie in the sky but I'd like to think we all have a common enemy in the Torys and that's who we all should be fighting, together. As long as the Labour Party is fighting itself that war is not going to be won.
But in Scotland they're not the common enemy.
From Labours perspective the common enemy here is the SNP.
Tory, Labour and Lib Dems are unionist parties, and collude regardless of their (supposed) differences.
 
Time to learn from history everybody. When Margaret Thatcher was asked what her biggest achievement was, she replied 'New Labour'. That process continued with Tony Bliar and now Keir Starmer. Corbyn represented the chance of a new society, that was thrown away betrayed by the right wing in his own party.
That was always going to be the case thanks to the 'success' of Blair.
Not a chance Labour was going to revert to the kind of socialism Big G.....and many more......is looking for.
 
By the end of this parliament, only Tony Blair will have won a general election for labour in the last 50 years.

I put that down to England being more intrinsically right wing than Scotland.

Talking of Tony, I see he’s putting himself back in the news a lot these days.
 
By the end of this parliament, only Tony Blair will have won a general election for labour in the last 50 years.

I put that down to England being more intrinsically right wing than Scotland.

Talking of Tony, I see he’s putting himself back in the news a lot these days.
Tony's just reduced his appearance fee, hard times and all that!
 
By the end of this parliament, only Tony Blair will have won a general election for labour in the last 50 years.

I put that down to England being more intrinsically right wing than Scotland.

Talking of Tony, I see he’s putting himself back in the news a lot these days.
Blair is the most successful Labour leader of all time. Three election wins in a row, and the reason he achieved that is because (a) he reassured people in the massive Tory areas of England (where every UK general election is won and lost), and (b) he was up against hopeless Tory leaders. England will never vote for a socialist party...never. Scotland to be honest is becoming that way as well. The SNP are the New Labour of Scotland, appealing mainly to what could be described mainly as "Middle Scotland", but they also have huge appeal now because (a) they have an excellent leader, (b) the opposition are hopeless...Carlaw is a decent leader but the Tories are still toxic in Scotland, and (c) IMO anyway, there is an unstoppable march to independence.
Starmer might do well down south in a similar way that Blair did, but his anti-Brexit stance will be well remembered by many down in England and Wales (Brexit was popular even in solid working class areas) who were desperate to see Britain leave the EU, hence the hopeless Johnson's landslide election win, so I think he has no chance of winning the next UK election. England in the past only voted a Labour Party into power when the Tories have totally fecked up affecting their own living standards, and the Labour leader is "acceptable" to them as Blair was.
 
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The trouble is, down here in England, any suggestions of deals or “cosying up” with the SNP would play out very badly for labour and would do more harm than good for them IMO
 
The trouble is, down here in England, any suggestions of deals or “cosying up” with the SNP would play out very badly for labour and would do more harm than good for them IMO
You're probably correct with that.
Considering 99% of english people dont have a scooby about Scottish politics they'll do as they always do .
Listen to the BBC, read the Sun, read the Daily Mail and hang on Johnsons every word.
And we know the truth is a stranger to Boris.
 
You're probably correct with that.
Considering 99% of english people dont have a scooby about Scottish politics they'll do as they always do .
Listen to the BBC, read the Sun, read the Daily Mail and hang on Johnsons every word.
And we know the truth is a stranger to Boris.

Yep. The Murdoch MSM would be full of stuff like “a vote for labour is letting Sturgeon into No.10” and probably much worse. Unless they were really clever about things and made sure any deal never got into the public domain which is probably impossible.
 
Time to learn from history everybody. When Margaret Thatcher was asked what her biggest achievement was, she replied 'New Labour'. That process continued with Tony Bliar and now Keir Starmer. Corbyn represented the chance of a new society, that was thrown away betrayed by the right wing in his own party.

Absolute nonsense. Jeremy Corbyn was never going to get a majority. He was incompetent. A hopeless leader. If the left had elected a charismatic proper leader then a populist left policy platform would have had a chance. I like Corbyn but he's no leader.
 
And this nonsense of the Murdoch press doing Labour leaders in.... It's nonsense. These 'newspapers' have no relevance. Nobody buys them let alone reads them. 10 years ago newspapers accounted for 25% of advertising spend in the UK. Today it's 2.5%. That tells a story.
 
One of the biggest reasons Bliar was so successful, was he took the 'king's shilling' and had a love-in with Rupert Murdoch.
Corbyn had the full weight of the establishment against him but crucially was stabbed in the back by the right wing of his own party.
If you look at the figures, Labour had a decent share of the vote in 2017.
 
First thing Starmer who posed himself as the 'unity' candidate in the Leadership election, did was remove left wing MP's and bring in happless Blairites Lisa Nandy, Liz Kendall, Jess Philips and Ian Murray and others to his shadow cabinet. Couldnae make it up.


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And don't forget, he also brought back Ed Miliband! Actually, we should be thankful it's not his brother David. I'd have like to see someone like Richard Burgon.
 
And don't forget, he also brought back Ed Miliband! Actually, we should be thankful it's not his brother David. I'd have like to see someone like Richard Burgon.

So would I have, but the Knight of the Realm booted him out. Richard openly supported Open Selection, meaning Labour Party members in Constituency Labour Parties would get to select their Labour Party Parliamentary candidates by regular open democratic selection, regardless of whether they were sitting MPs, including himself, or not. The selections would be by One Member One Vote. No more hiding place for jobs for life, careerists.

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Maybe tying these issues together, interesting piece in LRB by William Davies that suggests that the Tories should be concerned about their future, and questioning the idea that england would never vote left.

'In the 2016 referendum, 64 per cent of people over the age of 65 voted Leave, compared to 29 per cent of those under the age of 25. In the 2017 general election, 69 per cent of those over the age of 70 voted for the Conservative Party, compared to 21 per cent under the age of 25. The probability that an individual voted Conservative in that election increased by 9 per cent for each additional ten years. Boris Johnson was appointed Tory leader (and hence prime minister) in summer 2019 by Conservative Party members whose average age was 57. His subsequent election victory wasn’t due to any improvement in his party’s standing among the young, but because there was a drift of Labour voters (including young ones) towards smaller parties. Other than that, the electoral demographics were identical to those of 2017'.

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'According to Ofcom, 58 per cent of people over the age of 65 get their news from a print newspaper, compared to just 20 per cent of those under the age of 25. Even when newspaper websites and apps are taken into account, the gap is still significant: 64 per cent to 35 per cent'.
 
Maybe tying these issues together, interesting piece in LRB by William Davies that suggests that the Tories should be concerned about their future, and questioning the idea that england would never vote left.

'In the 2016 referendum, 64 per cent of people over the age of 65 voted Leave, compared to 29 per cent of those under the age of 25. In the 2017 general election, 69 per cent of those over the age of 70 voted for the Conservative Party, compared to 21 per cent under the age of 25. The probability that an individual voted Conservative in that election increased by 9 per cent for each additional ten years. Boris Johnson was appointed Tory leader (and hence prime minister) in summer 2019 by Conservative Party members whose average age was 57. His subsequent election victory wasn’t due to any improvement in his party’s standing among the young, but because there was a drift of Labour voters (including young ones) towards smaller parties. Other than that, the electoral demographics were identical to those of 2017'.

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'According to Ofcom, 58 per cent of people over the age of 65 get their news from a print newspaper, compared to just 20 per cent of those under the age of 25. Even when newspaper websites and apps are taken into account, the gap is still significant: 64 per cent to 35 per cent'.

Gareth during your years of research did you come across the eminent statistician Harvey Goldstein who passed away from COVID -19 at the age of 80?


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I didn’t realise he’d died big g. Yeh I’d read some if his stuff, unlike many statisticians he often explained things in a very calm and understandable way. On the antisemitism issue my colleague Greg philo has a book out about the media’s reporting which I think you’d find interesting called ‘bad news for labour’.
 
These bloody Blairites in a Labour Government eh. Bloody Tories they are. Let's instead elect leaders that have no chance of ever winning. Better losing than having some not real socialist leader who implements social democracy that sees huge increases in the NHS budget. Red bloody Tories....
 

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