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Send Newell to the reserves and start teaching this team how to run and run and run.

We've not out worked a single team this season, it has to change.
 

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Send Newell to the reserves and start teaching this team how to run and run and run.

We've not out worked a single team this season, it has to change.
Surprisingly (astonishingly?) the stats show only Motherwell and The The Huns outworked us in games so far.
 

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Surprisingly (astonishingly?) the stats show only Motherwell and The The Huns outworked us in games so far.
What numbers? Sounds deceiving to me.
 

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Sorry, I'm genuinely interested in the numbers.
Hibs use Catapult on the training field etc, but each SPFL club gets Opta stats on the Monday following a Saturday game. This allows a direct comparison rather than eg catapult v opta with two teams.

Up until about a week ago only ‘well and Huns outran is.
Source Hecky, so believe it or not!
 

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Hibs use Catapult on the training field etc, but each SPFL club gets Opta stats on the Monday following a Saturday game. This allows a direct comparison rather than eg catapult v opta with two teams.

Up until about a week ago only ‘well and Huns outran is.
Source Hecky, so believe it or not!
I believe it, but it doesn't mean we worked harder than them.
My comment above does say run and run to be fair, but we'll need more than distance covered to justify us out working them.

Other teams I've watched us against have worked harder for every ball, pressure when they lose the ball etc.
We haven't done that. Vela for example, gets around the park but I wouldn't praise his work rate?
 

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I believe it, but it doesn't mean we worked harder than them.
My comment above does say run and run to be fair, but we'll need more than distance covered to justify us out working them.

Other teams I've watched us against have worked harder for every ball, pressure when they lose the ball etc.
We haven't done that. Vela for example, gets around the park but I wouldn't praise his work rate?
Just passing on what I was told.
The Opta stats aren't just about distance, but I know next to fcukall about it. I don't even play Footie Manager.
I'm sure there are others here who may know a bit of detail on what the Opta stats cover.
My point was only that Hecky - backed up by George Craig, was adamant that it was only two games the oppo worked harder than Hibs.

I just took them at their word.
 

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Just passing on what I was told.
The Opta stats aren't just about distance, but I know next to fcukall about it. I don't even play Footie Manager.
I'm sure there are others here who may know a bit of detail on what the Opta stats cover.
My point was only that Hecky - backed up by George Craig, was adamant that it was only two games the oppo worked harder than Hibs.

I just took them at their word.
I wonder if that's a demonstration of the old adage "what gets measured gets done". If players know they're going to be pulled up for their distance stats does that lead them to do pointless running about rather than conserving energy for important runs?
 

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Up until about a week ago only ‘well and Huns outran is.
Source Hecky, so believe it or not!
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It’s OK running around a lot but helps if you also manage to do something useful with the ball
 

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I wonder if that's a demonstration of the old adage "what gets measured gets done". If players know they're going to be pulled up for their distance stats does that lead them to do pointless running about rather than conserving energy for important runs?
Quite likely.

I think the stats are quite detailed, include where the runs are made, successful/unsuccessful challenges, sprints etc etc but I'm firmly of the view that headless chickening would be a sector where we would score very highly.
 

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Quite likely.

I think the stats are quite detailed, include where the runs are made, successful/unsuccessful challenges, sprints etc etc but I'm firmly of the view that headless chickening would be a sector where we would score very highly.
That's an interesting one - I wonder how many unsuccessful challenges Hallberg, Hanlon and Porteous have made in trying to cover the gaps that Vela didn't shut down. (And conversely how many unsuccessful challenges Vela didn't make because he was, er, backing off and backing off.)
 

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Some guy from a bookies (can't remember which one) was on radio yesterday saying man city are favourites for the game at Liverpool this weekend because their "expected goals" is higher - I'm sure all sane football fans will agree with me when I say it's bullshit that man city should be favourites at anfield! And I say that as someone who doesn't give a shit about either of them
 

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Get Omeonga back on loan.Didn't someone mention he's not getting a game at Bruges
 

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Hibs use Catapult on the training field etc, but each SPFL club gets Opta stats on the Monday following a Saturday game. This allows a direct comparison rather than eg catapult v opta with two teams.

Up until about a week ago only ‘well and Huns outran is.
Source Hecky, so believe it or not!
Could be deceiving if chasing shadows counts.
 

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Some guy from a bookies (can't remember which one) was on radio yesterday saying man city are favourites for the game at Liverpool this weekend because their "expected goals" is higher - I'm sure all sane football fans will agree with me when I say it's bullshit that man city should be favourites at anfield! And I say that as someone who doesn't give a shit about either of them
you can’t beat/trick the key indicators - expected goals - is one of them. That’s been one of our problemsthis season our expected goals has dropped and our expected goals against gas increased
 

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Ron Gordon should declare a new era. His era.

Then he should put the singing section back where it was in the East. Moving them to the FF Upper has been a disaster and done irreparable damage to the atmosphere in the ground. When the East goes quiet now the atmosphere becomes like a morgue.

Then put big booming fuck off speakers in every stand so the bass rumbles in your guts. And get rid off the DJ who played TTF's New Emotion last Saturday. What pill-munching shadowland was that fucker from?

Give Greggs the gig for half time scran. Curry pies. Macaroni pies. Steak pies. Chicken pies. Haggis pies. Apple pies (for desert).

In other words put the fans first. Then sort out the fucking team. Throw money at it. Loads of money.

Make Hibs Great Again.

That is all.
 

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Surprisingly (astonishingly?) the stats show only Motherwell and The The Huns outworked us in games so far.
That is surprising and it would be interesting to get some context if available.
Just shows how stats can be deceiving in many ways.
 

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Just passing on what I was told.
The Opta stats aren't just about distance, but I know next to fcukall about it. I don't even play Footie Manager.
I'm sure there are others here who may know a bit of detail on what the Opta stats cover.
My point was only that Hecky - backed up by George Craig, was adamant that it was only two games the oppo worked harder than Hibs.

I just took them at their word.
I’ve been party to Opta stats packages in the past and they are incredibly detailed. The betting industry frequently use these for odds setting as well due to the huge amount of detail. However, as someone once said “Statistics are a bit like bikinis - it shows a lot but not the whole thing. The reality is you can take what you want from statistics.”


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