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Findlayhibby

Findlayhibby

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Losing them and getting two teams from the Championship.For all their money, decissions, cheating refs etc etc I'd miss them if they went,I'd miss the bile, the hatred, the build up the sheer adrenalin rush that you don't get from playing Killie or St Johnston or for instance Falkirk and Dunfermaline
 
moathibby said:
Losing them and getting two teams from the Championship.For all their money, decissions, cheating refs etc etc I'd miss them if they went,I'd miss the bile, the hatred, the build up the sheer adrenalin rush that you don't get from playing Killie or St Johnston or for instance Falkirk and Dunfermaline
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I wouldnt
Id embrace a new era for Scottish football and where it takes us and what it could mean to teams in a fair league
 
moathibby said:
Losing them and getting two teams from the Championship.For all their money, decissions, cheating refs etc etc I'd miss them if they went,I'd miss the bile, the hatred, the build up the sheer adrenalin rush that you don't get from playing Killie or St Johnston or for instance Falkirk and Dunfermaline
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You wouldn't get an adrenalin rush if we had to beat Killie, Aberdeen or hearts to win the league?
I can live without the bile and hatred too.
Think back to 2012. Did you miss the rangers?
I most certainly didnt apart from the two games they played here where the town was festooned with the union flag and the red hand amongst others.
They're a curse on Scottish football.
And Scottish society.
 
We wouldn't be saying this if we were pumping both of them like we regularly done under Lennon and Stubbs - tell me a better time to be a hibby then getting it right up the Huns numerous times on their own patch in the last 20 years or beating Rodgers Celtic a few times at home
 
Keithd1875 said:
And like it or not how much worse off would be be financially without the 2 off them imagine how shite we'd be then!
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We'd be relatively well off in terms of Scottish football, but the gap between the SPL the English 2nd & 3rd tiers would probably be bigger.

On top of the loss of direct gate revenue - £450-500k per year (for Hibs), there would be less income from cup games at Ibrox & Parkheid and the pooling of receipts from cup semis. TV income would also decrease dramatically as viewing figures would be down & other sponsorship/advertising revenue would also be affected.

We'd eventually lose a European place or two and even if we were to qualify more often, we'd most likely be knocked out early doors due to our player budget being less than our competitors.

We can hate the OF as much as we want, but there isn't a national league around that doesn't rely on its "super teams" to drag it upward.
 
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Peevemor said:
We'd be relatively well off in terms of Scottish football, but the gap between the SPL the English 2nd & 3rd tiers would probably be bigger.

On top of the loss of direct gate revenue - £450-500k per year (for Hibs), there would be less income from cup games at Ibrox & Parkheid and the pooling of receipts from cup semis. TV income would also decrease dramatically as viewing figures would be down & other sponsorship/advertising revenue would also be affected.

We'd eventually lose a European place or two and even if we were to qualify more often, we'd most likely be knocked out early doors due to our player budget being less than our competitors.

We can hate the OF as much as we want, but there isn't a national league around that doesn't rely on its "super teams" to drag it upward.
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Ok, lets just continue with the mickey mouseist league in the history of football - great 😩
 
Keithd1875 said:
And like it or not how much worse off would be be financially without the 2 off them imagine how shite we'd be then!
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It's surprisingly not hard to make up the numbers for them not infecting our home four times a year. Hibs would only have to sell an extra 350 tickets every other week.
Our reward for our tv deal is shite anyway , and we would go back to mostly 3 pm Saturday kick offs. I think our league would flourish without them. I would certainly like to try it . Horrible horrible clubs . Both of them .
 
Peevemor said:
So what do you suggest? You're kidding yourself on if you don't think we'll be even more "Mickey mouse" without the OF.
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Any sport, and I emphasise the word sport, is where competitors can win the prize. Not so in the scottish premier. If you think otherwise it’s you who’s deluded 🤣
 
tayside hibee said:
It's surprisingly not hard to make up the numbers for them not infecting our home four times a year. Hibs would only have to sell an extra 350 tickets every other week.
Our reward for our tv deal is shite anyway , and we would go back to mostly 3 pm Saturday kick offs. I think our league would flourish without them. I would certainly like to try it . Horrible horrible clubs . Both of them .
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Well said sir 👏👏👍
 
joethehibby said:
Any sport, and I emphasise the word sport, is where competitors can win the prize. Not so in the scottish premier. If you think otherwise it’s you who’s deluded 🤣
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Where did I say anything about that? Can you answer my question without putting words in my mouth?
 
Peevemor said:
Where did I say anything about that? Can you answer my question without putting words in my mouth?
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I call it a mickey mouse leage because there are only 2 of the 12 teams who can win it . If the uglies were gone , everyone would have a chance of winning it 🤷‍♂️
Not really difficult to see that surely 🤔
 
joethehibby said:
I call it a mickey mouse leage because there are only 2 of the 12 teams who can win it . If the uglies were gone , everyone would have a chance of winning it 🤷‍♂️
Not really difficult to see that surely 🤔
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What does that have to do with the points I made?
 
Peevemor said:
We'd be relatively well off in terms of Scottish football, but the gap between the SPL the English 2nd & 3rd tiers would probably be bigger.

On top of the loss of direct gate revenue - £450-500k per year (for Hibs), there would be less income from cup games at Ibrox & Parkheid and the pooling of receipts from cup semis. TV income would also decrease dramatically as viewing figures would be down & other sponsorship/advertising revenue would also be affected.

We'd eventually lose a European place or two and even if we were to qualify more often, we'd most likely be knocked out early doors due to our player budget being less than our competitors.

We can hate the OF as much as we want, but there isn't a national league around that doesn't rely on its "super teams" to drag it upward.
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I remember George Farm saying something similar during an interview on Scotsport many years ago.
He said they were a necessary evil. I think it caused a bit of consternation at the time, but Farm was a Turnbull type character and basically spoke his mind.
 
joethehibby said:
I call it a mickey mouse leage because there are only 2 of the 12 teams who can win it . If the uglies were gone , everyone would have a chance of winning it 🤷‍♂️
Not really difficult to see that surely 🤔
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Is the Bundesliga a Micky Mouse league?

Bayern Munich are more dominant than Celtic and Rangers combined.
 
Keithd1875 said:
And like it or not how much worse off would be be financially without the 2 off them imagine how shite we'd be then!
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You know, I've tried to convince myself of this before.
But I actually don't care.

The national league itself will be more exciting, there would be genuine competition for every trophy.
We lose sponsors and tv deals over those 2 then so be it. All it means is our teams would all predominantly depend on using their youth structure and we'll make our money selling players.

We'd lose euro places, but more often than not our clubs get pumped out early anyway. Bigots included.

Teams would have to change their budgets to suit the new landscape, but it would give players motivation to get a transfer too because there wouldn't be teams here paying inflated wages.

The only downside (to me) for the league, in that situation is that in 5-10 years time, ourselves and Hearts or Aberdeen would become the new celtic and Hunco. Our stadium sizes and attendances will see us pull away and we'd become them. Minus the bigotry and entitlement.
 
Hammi said:
You know, I've tried to convince myself of this before.
But I actually don't care.

The national league itself will be more exciting, there would be genuine competition for every trophy.
We lose sponsors and tv deals over those 2 then so be it. All it means is our teams would all predominantly depend on using their youth structure and we'll make our money selling players.

We'd lose euro places, but more often than not our clubs get pumped out early anyway. Bigots included.

Teams would have to change their budgets to suit the new landscape, but it would give players motivation to get a transfer too because there wouldn't be teams here paying inflated wages.

The only downside (to me) for the league, in that situation is that in 5-10 years time, ourselves and Hearts or Aberdeen would become the new celtic and Hunco. Our stadium sizes and attendances will see us pull away and we'd become them. Minus the bigotry and entitlement.
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I'm not sure why we'd make more money selling players than we do now. Most teams would have to downscale their academies in any case due to lower budgets.
 
joethehibby said:
Any sport, and I emphasise the word sport, is where competitors can win the prize. Not so in the scottish premier. If you think otherwise it’s you who’s deluded 🤣
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So Colombia will win the world cup, Vietnam will win the Olyimpics and Scotland will win the Commenwealth Games,someone from Sierra Leone will win Wimbeldon, a Ugandan will win F1 and a Fijian will win at swimming.
 
tayside hibee said:
It's surprisingly not hard to make up the numbers for them not infecting our home four times a year. Hibs would only have to sell an extra 350 tickets every other week.
Our reward for our tv deal is shite anyway , and we would go back to mostly 3 pm Saturday kick offs. I think our league would flourish without them. I would certainly like to try it . Horrible horrible clubs . Both of them .
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I get what you're saying but TV money would be down and sponsorship money would be down.
 
Peevemor said:
I'm not sure why we'd make more money selling players than we do now. Most teams would have to downscale their academies in any case due to lower budgets.
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Never said we would.
And they would need to restructure, but thats their job as a club anyway

Relying on the existence of 2 wankbag clubs isn't a business model.
 
Hammi said:
Never said we would.
And they would need to restructure, but thats their job as a club anyway

Relying on the existence of 2 wankbag clubs isn't a business model.
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Neither is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Anyway I think Ron was trying to get a better deal for everyone when he spearheaded the recent review.
 
I've already given the solution for this Mickey mouse league anyway - 9 teams lie down to Aberdeen/Hibs/Motherwell so they have about 85 points off a start and try like fuck against Celtic and Huns (they'd soon join forces to express their outrage Fuckin trademark twins) .
 
moathibby said:
So Colombia will win the world cup, Vietnam will win the Olyimpics and Scotland will win the Commenwealth Games,someone from Sierra Leone will win Wimbeldon, a Ugandan will win F1 and a Fijian will win at swimming.
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Good points 👍
moathibby said:
Your answer to every argument you put up.
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I just dont see the point in arguing with people who know everything, never win, so pointless
 
Peevemor said:
Neither is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Anyway I think Ron was trying to get a better deal for everyone when he spearheaded the recent review.
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Ron was trying to increase revenue for everybody, but we know those 2 will still get the lions share. At their level they'll just pull further away, we won't bridge the gap.

I'd much rather see a downsized Hibs made up of homegrown talent vs a hearts team made the same way,
than a Hibs team made of the best we can afford vs a Celtic and Hunco 8x a year.

The clubs would all find a level and that would be where we should be.


The other downside would be a European league or English league joining pair of bigots would be able to expand their youth operations beyond anything seen up here and completely destroy the youth system for everyone else.

As much as I hate them, I do actually think there's damage to be done to us beyond losing gate, sponsors and tv money if they were to go elsewhere.

But if taking a financial hit and having to run on a reduced playing budget (but even compared to the competition) was the only change to our sport then I'd be more than happy with it.
 
We know who would be winning the league,it would be a combination of Hibs,Hearts,Aberdeen.The idea that it would free up Edinburgh city to win the Scottish Premier is a nonsence. I'd rather a rammed Easter Road with the big two than yet another game with St Johnston.
 
moathibby said:
We know who would be winning the league,it would be a combination of Hibs,Hearts,Aberdeen.The idea that it would free up Edinburgh city to win the Scottish Premier is a nonsence. I'd rather a rammed Easter Road with the big two than yet another game with St Johnston.
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We'd play St Johnstone whether Hunco were here or not.
 
I was trying to put up a picture of St Johnston versus Kilmarnock yesterday.The picture shows about 200 of them huddled together in a stand.Despise them as much as I do; I would rather a stand of rampant savages than naebday.I could go to Leith Links if I wanted naebday.
 
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