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Seems to be a bit of condemnation of the referee awarding a penalty against the The Huns after checking the VAR last night.
I think he got it wrong too, but I'm happy enough with that.
I watched the SPFL highlights from the weekend, and Motherwell got a penalty awarded when the ball was driven at a Midden defender, skelped off his shin and hit him on the hand. Now, am I wrong in thinking that shouldn't have been a penalty too?
I thought the rules were changed last season so no penalty if the ball ricocheted and hit arm, hit and deflected from own body to arm, or had arm stuck out inadvertently before the ball was struck?
Or something along these lines.

I'm happy to be called out for being entirely wrong, but the evidence in my favour is that the referee in question was Brother Beaton.

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It may of actually hit both players hands.

Same old huns...always crying.
 
I thought if ball deflects from any body part to hand or arm it's NOT a penalty. Whether that's right or wrong does the standard of Scottish referees make rules pointless though?
 
Never in a million years was that a penalty last night 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
However they are still jammy bastards as it should have been 4 nil. 🥲
 
I've missed all of this,
But it sounds brilliant.

Hand ball is such a messy rule. I thought it was if it ricochets you're all good.
But if it hits your hand direct from a shot, pass etc then it's given.

But you could block a goal by it deflecting onto your hand, in that instance I'd want the foul.

It should be, any hand ball.
Take away all the discretion involved.
 
Hammi said:
I've missed all of this,
But it sounds brilliant.

Hand ball is such a messy rule. I thought it was if it ricochets you're all good.
But if it hits your hand direct from a shot, pass etc then it's given.

But you could block a goal by it deflecting onto your hand, in that instance I'd want the foul.

It should be, any hand ball.
Take away all the discretion involved.
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Agree with that, I was watching the community shield and there was a match deciding VAR decision which obviously went the way of LiVARpool.

As the rules go yes it was always going to be a pen, but the Liverpool boy headed it and the Man City defender had zero chance to get out of the way. Pretty harsh on city.
 
Your hand/arm should be in a 'natural position' but what exactly is that? Players hands and arms are out to help them retain their balance. If the ball skelps off one body part on to your hand/arm I don't think that's a penalty.
 
The whole handball in the penalty box rule is ridiculous and always has been in my opinion.
The fact is that with very, very few exceptions, no player deliberately handles the ball in the penalty box. You would need to be off your head to do that.
Practically every hand ball incident in the penalty box is completely unavoidable, so why should a penalty be awarded and a goal conceded for something that is almost always an accident ?
 
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Greenmachine said:
The whole handball in the penalty box rule is ridiculous and always has been in my opinion.
The fact is that with very, very few exceptions, no player deliberately handles the ball in the penalty box. You would need to be off your head to do that.
Practically every hand ball incident in he penalty box is completely unavoidable, so why should a penalty be awarded and a goal conceded for something that is almost always an accident ?
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I couldn’t agree more. I’d be all for only awarding a penalty for absolute blatant hacks before someone pulls the trigger.
A tap in from 12 yards for a deflected handball or some cheat having a ridiculous dive is a joke.
Also , if any part of someone’s body is in line with the defender it should be onside. The attacker was always meant to get the benefit of the doubt, but its hugely favours the defence now. Which is detrimental to the game, the whole point of football is trying to score from open play.
 
ILHTD said:
I thought if ball deflects from any body part to hand or arm it's NOT a penalty. Whether that's right or wrong does the standard of Scottish referees make rules pointless though?
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Does that not only apply if it deflects from your own body part though? I though it ricocheted off one hun and into another hun and because the second hun had his arm outside the natural silhouette of his body that made it a pen.

One thing's for sure it's high time the pundits, who get paid a decent wedge to slaver at these games, learned the actual rules so that they can help us punters understand what's going on. Their lack of knowledge is embarrassing.
 
Rocky said:
Does that not only apply if it deflects from your own body part though? I though it ricocheted off one hun and into another hun and because the second hun had his arm outside the natural silhouette of his body that made it a pen.

One thing's for sure it's high time the pundits, who get paid a decent wedge to slaver at these games, learned the actual rules so that they can help us punters understand what's going on. Their lack of knowledge is embarrassing.
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“Last man rule” - a fiction invented by pundits.
 
Doc Shrink said:
“Last man rule” - a fiction invented by pundits.
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I don't really mind that one as in practical terms it kinda is a rule. I think the rule specifies something like "clear goal scoring opportunity" which by definition will pretty much always be the case if you've got past the last man. Unless you're Boyler in the early days when he was reasonably well known for being unable to convert one on ones with the keeper.
 
Rocky said:
I don't really mind that one as in practical terms it kinda is a rule. I think the rule specifies something like "clear goal scoring opportunity" which by definition will pretty much always be the case if you've got past the last man. Unless you're Boyler in the early days when he was reasonably well known for being unable to convert one on ones with the keeper.
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But the same thick pundits would say “No pen, he wasn’t the last man” even when there was clearly said obvious goal scoring opperchancity. Fuckwits.
 
Doc Shrink said:
Seems to be a bit of condemnation of the referee awarding a penalty against the The Huns after checking the VAR last night.
I think he got it wrong too, but I'm happy enough with that.
I watched the SPFL highlights from the weekend, and Motherwell got a penalty awarded when the ball was driven at a Midden defender, skelped off his shin and hit him on the hand. Now, am I wrong in thinking that shouldn't have been a penalty too?
I thought the rules were changed last season so no penalty if the ball ricocheted and hit arm, hit and deflected from own body to arm, or had arm stuck out inadvertently before the ball was struck?
Or something along these lines.

I'm happy to be called out for being entirely wrong, but the evidence in my favour is that the referee in question was Brother Beaton.

Views?
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Prime example was the penalty given against Rocky at todders last season.
 
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