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Israel continues to be permitted to participate so some countries with anti Jewish broadcasters have flounced off the stage. (No surprise to see the increasingly mentalist Ireland among them)

Given most of its audience are keffiyeh qwerties (and a few auld dears) this is surely trouble at t'mill for this increasingly ludicrous event?


 
Israel continues to be permitted to participate so some countries with anti Jewish broadcasters have flounced off the stage. (No surprise to see the increasingly mentalist Ireland among them)

Given most of its audience are keffiyeh qwerties (and a few auld dears) this is surely trouble at t'mill for this increasingly ludicrous event?


You’re doing your usual in equating the actions of the Israeli state to the Jewish religion.
Those countries boycotting the contest doing so in protest at Israel not Jews.

There is a difference.

But then of course you know that already because folk on here have been saying it for years. It’s YOU that continues to try to make it all about antisemitism when it isn’t.
 
You’re doing your usual in equating the actions of the Israeli state to the Jewish religion.
Those countries boycotting the contest doing so in protest at Israel not Jews.

There is a difference.

But then of course you know that already because folk on here have been saying it for years. It’s YOU that continues to try to make it all about antisemitism when it isn’t.
Nope I am referencing the unique treatment applied to Israel by people with a boner for Jews.

Noone kicked Turkey out despite their illegal occupation of a European country for decades. Though they walked out themselves over the contest transforming into a pride event.

Noone kicked out Ukraine for responding to aggression against it.

Noone kicked out the UK or France for helping to bomb Iraq flat in response to aggression against the US that was nothing to do with Iraq.

Eurovision has alway been political and like all these things is dominated by a certain form of politics. One that increasingly doesnt like Jews.
 
Virtue signalling nonsense.
It's bubblegum pop music for god's sake...politics should have nothing to do with it.
Only reason Israel should not be in it is because it's not in Europe.
There have always been a few non European countries in it GM.

Europe is not a geographic continent it's boundaries are more about history and culture and where the line was held against the caliphate.

Places like Israel, Armenia, Cyprus and others seem to be included on that basis as they are in football, despite them being outside the political boundary of Europe.
 
There have always been a few non European countries in it GM.

Europe is not a geographic continent it's boundaries are more about history and culture and where the line was held against the caliphate.

Places like Israel, Armenia, Cyprus and others seem to be included on that basis as they are in football, despite them being outside the political boundary of Europe.

And Australia FFS
 
Nope I am referencing the unique treatment applied to Israel by people with a boner for Jews.

Noone kicked Turkey out despite their illegal occupation of a European country for decades. Though they walked out themselves over the contest transforming into a pride event.

Noone kicked out Ukraine for responding to aggression against it.

Noone kicked out the UK or France for helping to bomb Iraq flat in response to aggression against the US that was nothing to do with Iraq.

Eurovision has alway been political and like all these things is dominated by a certain form of politics. One that increasingly doesnt like Jews.
As expected another tome of bollocks.

As a tangent, a thing that I question, what is it about the Jews that half the world seems to hate them? Every second reply you make on similar topics brings up antisemitism. If that’s on the worldwide scale you bang the drum about, the question is why?
 
As expected another tome of bollocks.
Except all those things are the case
As a tangent, a thing that I question, what is it about the Jews that half the world seems to hate them? Every second reply you make on similar topics brings up antisemitism. If that’s on the worldwide scale you bang the drum about, the question is why?
And what answers to your question have you arrived at?
 
Nope I am referencing the unique treatment applied to Israel by people with a boner for Jews.

Noone kicked Turkey out despite their illegal occupation of a European country for decades. Though they walked out themselves over the contest transforming into a pride event.

Noone kicked out Ukraine for responding to aggression against it.

Noone kicked out the UK or France for helping to bomb Iraq flat in response to aggression against the US that was nothing to do with Iraq.

Eurovision has alway been political and like all these things is dominated by a certain form of politics. One that increasingly doesnt like Jews.
Awkward then that they did kick Russia out.
 
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Israel continues to be permitted to participate so some countries with anti Jewish broadcasters have flounced off the stage. (No surprise to see the increasingly mentalist Ireland among them) Given most of its audience are keffiyeh qwerties (and a few auld dears) this is surely trouble at t'mill for this increasingly ludicrous event?

Israel are never going to be kicked out.

Most of the sponsorship money comes from Israel.

Though I'd say kick them out....and cancel the show.
Do us all a favour.
 
The world is full of resentful sadsacks who need someone to blame their failure and grievances on, would be my guess at the high level explanation.
No argument there but this antisemitism has been going on for well over a century, maybe longer. Surely the populations of countries don’t just jump on a bandwagon. Where does it stem from?
 
Tovarisch Putin is reported to be looking at staging a "Counter World Cup" event next summer for countries that haven't qualified for The Donald's PR show...
Sooo...
Here's an idea...
Why doesn't Raidio Teilifis Eireann - in conjunction with its paymasters in Dail Eireann and the "eccentric" new tenant at Aras na Uachtarain - organise an updated "Counter Eurovision"? (Christ! Misty in Roots were phenomenal at the original!)...
...In Ramallah?
With all their "Right On!" contacts across Europe and their brotherly association with the Palestinian Authority, RTE & the Irish government should find organising such an event to be a piece of cake.
Bambie Thug can represent Ireland. I'm sure he/she/it would be well taken care of in the West Bank, as would the contestants from all the other "Right On!" nations competing.
Just a suggestion.
Only trying to help🙂
 
No argument there but this antisemitism has been going on for well over a century, maybe longer. Surely the populations of countries don’t just jump on a bandwagon. Where does it stem from?
Lots of forms that come down to a bunch of common themes.

They are the original 'other' who have historically both refused to capitulate and be absorbed by the great powers of history and who were scattered across Europe long before any other 'outsiders'. They thus trigger both left and right wing pathologies in different ways.

Excluded from most professions in medieval Christendom where they were persecuted for religious reasons - 'Christ killers' who originally persecuted Christians till the boot went on the other foot - they took up 'middlemen' roles in trade and finance. Especially so with the latter which Christians themselves were excluded from due to views on usury.

In this, along with otherness, the seeds were sown for secular racialised hatred of the Jews, as promoted by Marx and others, which superseded a thankfully much faded Christian anti Judaism.

They are not alone in this: 'middlemen' minorities are persecuted around the world and mass slaughter tends to come from 'punching up' not 'punching down'.

Ironically, further ingredients come from some Jews siding with politics they saw as shielding them from their historical persecuters - eg adopting socialism in the face of nationalist persecution - and ended up with both sides of loonies hating them.

Whether, as individuals, preferring capitalism or communism, they do disproportionately well, as in science and other things. This is probably because they are are smarter (Ashkenazi anyway, who along with east Asians average higher IQs than the rest of us) and more resourceful (which history has forced them to be). Jews have also been in the vanguard of atheism and social liberalism (also with historical roots but will skip for the sake of length) . Again, anything they take to they tend to do well at, so this has also pissed off some forms of conservatives.

They also bugger up the mad theories of various groups by succeeding as a minority in the face of racism and doing better than the majority population. This pisses off nationalist views of their own supremacy and collapses the main foundations of woke and other forms of leftism.

Conspiracy based ideologies like leftism and forms of the far right also need an explanation for their crackpot ideas relentlessly failing, which requires scheming spoilers. This can be whiteness, bankers or whatever, but in the end needs a small enough, distinct enough, successful enough, and other enough group as the real bogeyman: step forward the Jews.

So if those are the patterns, some specifics:

Romans and other empires hated Jews for refusing to submit to imperial domination (the left inherited this form)

Pagans hated them for introducing morality that countered the pursuit of selfish appetites (the left and far right inherit this form)

Christians hated them as Christ killers

Regimes in Christendom hated being their debtors, due to circumstances of their own creation, and manipulated religious prejudice to launch pogroms against them

Nationalists hate them for being outside the volk, too succesful with it, for being communists and capitalists and having outside loyalties (the latter also directed at Catholics in protestant countries). The extreme right also hate then for being the seedbed of Christianity.

Swap being outside the volk for refusing assimilation into the deracinated blob and drop the communist bit, and the left hate them for the exact same reasons. Especially racist forms of the left, such as woke, whose ideas they skewer by their very existence.

So they are hated for their religion and for being Godless, for being capitalists and communists, for imposing contraints on our lusts and for tearing down those contraints, for being rootless Internationals and zionist nationalists. Left and extreme right politics are manifestations of resentment and jealousy, which along with suspicion of the other, are permanent parts of the human condition, and so there will always be plenty of bile filled failures ready to tap into these hatreds.

Sorry for the length but you asked a big question, and I've not even got to Islamic hatreds. But they are very similar: refusal to assimilate into the ummah (which applies to every one else but with particular historical significance and the jews a manageable size for focus), for secularism, and socialism, and capitalism. And seething resentment that they have turned the most unpromising strip of 'Arab soil' into a thriving country which begs deeply uncomfortable questions as to why Islam can only produce shit-shows
 
Lots of forms that come down to a bunch of common themes.

They are the original 'other' who have historically both refused to capitulate and be absorbed by the great powers of history and who were scattered across Europe long before any other 'outsiders'. They thus trigger both left and right wing pathologies in different ways.

Excluded from most professions in medieval Christendom where they were persecuted for religious reasons - 'Christ killers' who originally persecuted Christians till the boot went on the other foot - they took up 'middlemen' roles in trade and finance. Especially so with the latter which Christians themselves were excluded from due to views on usury.

In this, along with otherness, the seeds were sown for secular racialised hatred of the Jews, as promoted by Marx and others, which superseded a thankfully much faded Christian anti Judaism.

They are not alone in this: 'middlemen' minorities are persecuted around the world and mass slaughter tends to come from 'punching up' not 'punching down'.

Ironically, further ingredients come from some Jews siding with politics they saw as shielding them from their historical persecuters - eg adopting socialism in the face of nationalist persecution - and ended up with both sides of loonies hating them.

Whether, as individuals, preferring capitalism or communism, they do disproportionately well, as in science and other things. This is probably because they are are smarter (Ashkenazi anyway, who along with east Asians average higher IQs than the rest of us) and more resourceful (which history has forced them to be). Jews have also been in the vanguard of atheism and social liberalism (also with historical roots but will skip for the sake of length) . Again, anything they take to they tend to do well at, so this has also pissed off some forms of conservatives.

They also bugger up the mad theories of various groups by succeeding as a minority in the face of racism and doing better than the majority population. This pisses off nationalist views of their own supremacy and collapses the main foundations of woke and other forms of leftism.

Conspiracy based ideologies like leftism and forms of the far right also need an explanation for their crackpot ideas relentlessly failing, which requires scheming spoilers. This can be whiteness, bankers or whatever, but in the end needs a small enough, distinct enough, successful enough, and other enough group as the real bogeyman: step forward the Jews.

So if those are the patterns, some specifics:

Romans and other empires hated Jews for refusing to submit to imperial domination (the left inherited this form)

Pagans hated them for introducing morality that countered the pursuit of selfish appetites (the left and far right inherit this form)

Christians hated them as Christ killers

Regimes in Christendom hated being their debtors, due to circumstances of their own creation, and manipulated religious prejudice to launch pogroms against them

Nationalists hate them for being outside the volk, too succesful with it, for being communists and capitalists and having outside loyalties (the latter also directed at Catholics in protestant countries). The extreme right also hate then for being the seedbed of Christianity.

Swap being outside the volk for refusing assimilation into the deracinated blob and drop the communist bit, and the left hate them for the exact same reasons. Especially racist forms of the left, such as woke, whose ideas they skewer by their very existence.

So they are hated for their religion and for being Godless, for being capitalists and communists, for imposing contraints on our lusts and for tearing down those contraints, for being rootless Internationals and zionist nationalists. Left and extreme right politics are manifestations of resentment and jealousy, which along with suspicion of the other, are permanent parts of the human condition, and so there will always be plenty of bile filled failures ready to tap into these hatreds.

Sorry for the length but you asked a big question, and I've not even got to Islamic hatreds. But they are very similar: refusal to assimilate into the ummah (which applies to every one else but with particular historical significance and the jews a manageable size for focus), for secularism, and socialism, and capitalism. And seething resentment that they have turned the most unpromising strip of 'Arab soil' into a thriving country which begs deeply uncomfortable questions as to why Islam can only produce shit-shows
I expected a lengthy reply to be fair. I even understood it. Appreciate you taking the time to shed some light on the roots
 
The anti semitism smear has been tiresome for a while but I'd thought by now you'd recognise how counter productive it is. It's use without even the slightest recognition that boycotting Israel may be motivated by it's governments actions rather than it's people's religion is exactly the same as calling those who oppose mass immigration racists. What would Israel need to do before you would concede it may be about their actions? I bet if they nuked Iran tomorrow you'd be on here supporting them. Consider for a moment why these countries didn't previously boycott the competition, it's not as if Israel hasn't been in it before? Why is Israeli identity politics the only form of identity politics you support? It's noble to oppose any form of bigotry but this mud slinging is as bad as anything woke politics delivered, much more so given the scale of the suffering and impact. Give it a break pal you're just digging a deeper hole
 
The anti semitism smear has been tiresome for a while but I'd thought by now you'd recognise how counter productive it is. It's use without even the slightest recognition that boycotting Israel may be motivated by it's governments actions rather than it's people's religion is exactly the same as calling those who oppose mass immigration racists. What would Israel need to do before you would concede it may be about their actions? I bet if they nuked Iran tomorrow you'd be on here supporting them. Consider for a moment why these countries didn't previously boycott the competition, it's not as if Israel hasn't been in it before? Why is Israeli identity politics the only form of identity politics you support? It's noble to oppose any form of bigotry but this mud slinging is as bad as anything woke politics delivered, much more so given the scale of the suffering and impact. Give it a break pal you're just digging a deeper hole
 

I couldn't care less about the boycott, I won't be watching either way. Whether there should have been previous boycotts is a vaguely interesting question but the logic that this one can ONLY be because of anti semitism is daft and as before overly simplistic and counter productive .The Iraq war in general generated MUCH more protests than has been the case with Israel's genocide in Gaza. That the latter was provoked by the disgusting acts of Hamas is beside the point in this context surely provocation does not excuse war crimes, it might explain them but not excuse.

I'm no fan of spiked or O'Neil but if the poor lassie representing Israel was abused in the way he describes that is shameful and the individual responsible should be charged
 
The anti semitism smear has been tiresome for a while but I'd thought by now you'd recognise how counter productive it is. It's use without even the slightest recognition that boycotting Israel may be motivated by it's governments actions rather than it's people's religion is exactly the same as calling those who oppose mass immigration racists. What would Israel need to do before you would concede it may be about their actions? I bet if they nuked Iran tomorrow you'd be on here supporting them. Consider for a moment why these countries didn't previously boycott the competition, it's not as if Israel hasn't been in it before? Why is Israeli identity politics the only form of identity politics you support? It's noble to oppose any form of bigotry but this mud slinging is as bad as anything woke politics delivered, much more so given the scale of the suffering and impact. Give it a break pal you're just digging a deeper hole
Sorry fella. The singular treatment Israel gets is the giveaway, but especially when it comes from wings of politics with form as long as your arm.
 
Why wasn't there a boycott previously do you think?
No sure if serious. The brownshirts have been busy trying to exclude Israelis and jews from public life for decades. The whole thing is mushrooming as Europe goes down the pan and extremism is flourishing but it goes way back.