downing st announcement 11.15....
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Chris G Whyte
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A General Election for the 8th of June.
It's just absolutely fucking mental.
It's just absolutely fucking mental.
Kenny
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the radio tailed off before the end - did she mention the new boden catalogue?
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q1.... mcagarry and Michelle Thomson will they stand on an SNP ticket?
q2.... carmichael was due to resign - will that still happen?
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...or who though? tories? lib dem? sco labour? greens?
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q1.... mcagarry and Michelle Thomson will they stand on an SNP ticket?
q2.... carmichael was due to resign - will that still happen?
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...or who though? tories? lib dem? sco labour? greens?
Gunnerhibby
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she's taking the gamble to blow the SNP/Indy card.
She knows Labour are still not strong enough in Englandshire, the only other hand she is up against is the SNP breaking up the UK.
It gives her the chance to say to others that she has the mandate for brexit, as the elected PM, so she can get away with anything she/Tories throw at people..
She knows Labour are still not strong enough in Englandshire, the only other hand she is up against is the SNP breaking up the UK.
It gives her the chance to say to others that she has the mandate for brexit, as the elected PM, so she can get away with anything she/Tories throw at people..
Kenny
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SNP can lose 20MPs and still have a cast iron mandate for indyref2
...wonder if mhari black will stand - hope she does.
...wonder if labour will recharge the deposed 2015MPs - murphy, curran, cathy jamieson, Alexander
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agree - would've have preferred it before the article 50 trigger though.
...wonder if mhari black will stand - hope she does.
...wonder if labour will recharge the deposed 2015MPs - murphy, curran, cathy jamieson, Alexander
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agree - would've have preferred it before the article 50 trigger though.
Gunnerhibby
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or maybe she really doesnt have a clue, and wants Corbyn to take us thru brexit
Two Headed Boy
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Smart Tory move. Guaranteed to be in power to sort the Brexit fallout if it turns out to be a complete shitshow.
Only risk is emboldening the Indy2 cause, but I don't think they actually care.
Only risk is emboldening the Indy2 cause, but I don't think they actually care.
egb_hibs
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Puts an end to the 1%er attempts to delegitimise Brexit and bags a thumping majority. Downside for her will be likelihood of corbyn being replaced. Then again he may choose to stay on anyway in which case labour must surely split - another win from May's point of view.
Smurf
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There's as much chance of that as The Gunts winning a few games this season.
I think she's concluded she needs this GE because:
1, The polling suggests she's going to get an easy win over Labour although there's a challenge from the Lib Dems in south of England seats.
2, There's a genuine threat to her existing small mandate from ongoing police investigations into over spend in key seat wins two years ago that could have generated by elections meaning she could lose her majority.
3, In key Brexit negotiations it would have weakened her hand facing the GE 2020 doing so having secured a mandate will increase her hand (which isn't as weak as some like to make out).
4, It's a chance for her to get a mandate on her domestic policies so different from Cameron such as Grammar Schools.
5, She can pretty much finish Labour although she has handed the Lib Dems a lifeline.
Kenny
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6. - tory election scandal outcome due shortly...coming days
Smurf
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That was my point 2 above.
Kenny
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ha - read that twice and missed it...what a fud i am sometimes .... only sometimes mind.
.... candidate lists will make interesting reading in scotland - would previous big hitters come out of retirement?
...will murray stand behind corbyn on nukes and indyref and brexit?
... will carmichael and mundel extend 800 seat majorities
... will mcgarry and thomson stand.
could see davidson standing as MP for edinburgh central?
southfieldhibby
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A cert imo. And becoming Scottish Sec after Mundell is defeated.
Kenny
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who would she be up against?
murdo fraser too?
ironically ian murrays seat was the old tory one and prob suit RD best? rifkinds - is that right?
Kenny
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Rifkind was my MP back in the day - it was "Pentlands". We named our Supporters Branch after him - The Pentland Branch.
It was abolished and replaced with Edin South and Edin S'West.
southfieldhibby
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Assume SNP will be looking to replace Thomson...she's lost the party whip I think? Only other option would be Murray, but that's not realistic I think?
Kenny
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they where expecting to give Thomson the whip back recently
emerald green
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100%.
The Tories have literally taken Labour apart. Almost to extinction.... now those darn SNP sweaty socks!
...the carte blanche for them to do as they wish.
oh dear!
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Feel like we are in a re-run of the 80s. Nuclear stand off and a miserable Tory boot in 10 Downing Street.
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in an alternative reality corbyn, sturgeon and whoever it is that leads the libdems would agree a progressive alliance and only field one candidate per seat on a ticket of
1) soft brexit
2) federalism - all but defence and central bank (and maybe one or 2 minor things)
3) electoral reform
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4) a new GE post Brexit
that'd obviously kill Scottish labour but it'd put the needs of the countries first and would possibly have a real chance (no polling analysis done on my part)
obviously wont happen and it'll be 5 more years of tory ****s
1) soft brexit
2) federalism - all but defence and central bank (and maybe one or 2 minor things)
3) electoral reform
and
4) a new GE post Brexit
that'd obviously kill Scottish labour but it'd put the needs of the countries first and would possibly have a real chance (no polling analysis done on my part)
obviously wont happen and it'll be 5 more years of tory ****s
egb_hibs
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Labour and the libdems are irrelevant in Scotland, elsewhere the question is whether there enough upper class people, captains of global capitalism and public sector managerial grades to make such an alliance viable.
Jack
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The Torys have a majority of around 12 to 17.
The Tory election expenses scandal could have seen up to 20 seats have a revote in the not to distant future depending on the courts.
Until now not much has been made of this in the media so much of the electorate aren't aware of how serious this is and what a shower of cheating bastards the Torys really are. (Along with all their other 'crimes'!!!!)
I've not heard much mention in the Commons either.
If I was the other parties I'd vote against the snap election tomorrow so that the Tory dishonesty would actually catch up with them in the full glare of the media. I'd use the upcoming Tory election expenses scandal as the reason for doing so. Something along the lines of allowing justice to run its course.
I honestly can't see what the benefit to any of the other parties actually is apart from the Libdems who were slaughtered in the last election.
The SNP already have Scotland tucked up in bed.
Labour astonishingly are backing the Torys (again) tomorrow despite being in disarray and, despite this obviously being all about the EU old Jezza is already wittering on about fighting on a domestic UK ticket, they could well end up in the morgue.
A knock back would leave the Tories having to either have a vote of no confidence in themselves or faff about trying to get the 5 year rule repealed and new legislation introduced.
The Tory election expenses scandal could have seen up to 20 seats have a revote in the not to distant future depending on the courts.
Until now not much has been made of this in the media so much of the electorate aren't aware of how serious this is and what a shower of cheating bastards the Torys really are. (Along with all their other 'crimes'!!!!)
I've not heard much mention in the Commons either.
If I was the other parties I'd vote against the snap election tomorrow so that the Tory dishonesty would actually catch up with them in the full glare of the media. I'd use the upcoming Tory election expenses scandal as the reason for doing so. Something along the lines of allowing justice to run its course.
I honestly can't see what the benefit to any of the other parties actually is apart from the Libdems who were slaughtered in the last election.
The SNP already have Scotland tucked up in bed.
Labour astonishingly are backing the Torys (again) tomorrow despite being in disarray and, despite this obviously being all about the EU old Jezza is already wittering on about fighting on a domestic UK ticket, they could well end up in the morgue.
A knock back would leave the Tories having to either have a vote of no confidence in themselves or faff about trying to get the 5 year rule repealed and new legislation introduced.
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I think in Scotland there could be agreement that we maintain the status quo in seats held and the snp would go against Mundell in Dumfrieshire - if the alliance held that'd easily remove all the tories from Scotland
re your characterisation of the demographic don't think its a simple as that M - by that logic would you vote Tory if you lived south of the border? clearly the tertms of the coalition would need more clearly defined and its finite nature ensured but this seems about the only hope for the UK and England in particular
Smurf
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You'd have my vote.
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All exposed thanks to the excellent Michael Crick on CH4 News.
Labour and others pretty silent because they are just as bad....
Greenmachine
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I think there will be surge in support for the Lib Dems...
egb_hibs
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For the millionth time, I voted remain. However, had I voted leave, would I vote Tory versus the upper middle class left putting out an all star team to defend the interests of the 1% and global capitalism? Damn right I would. In the privacy of the voting booth, perhaps Corbyn himself would do likewise. In fact I may be tempted anyway, in the name of defending democracy from such oligarchic manoeuvring. The SNP will certainly go down in my eyes if they get in hock with such a thing.
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May won't be doing any televised debates apparently. Clearly shiteing it
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egb_hibs
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She's not a good orator at all. Then again neither is Jezza. The guy who runs the libdems doesn't strike me as such either, though I can't remember whether I've heard him give a speech. It's a pity we're missing out on what would surely have been the most toe curling leadership debates of recent memory.
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Feart from Sturgeon.
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egb_hibs
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Sturgeon would absolutely stroll such a contest. By far the best politician in the U.K., best speaker among the leaders (and would be also amongst a much stronger peer group) and in an unassailable rhetorical position given the snp's political alchemy of getting credit for all the good stuff and never getting called on the tough stuff until Indy.
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they'd go up in mine but heyho if it takes the 1% and global capitalism to stop cuts to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society and prevents the marketisation of our health service, then i guess i must be in their gang - your ridiculous characterisation is so overblown its er ridiculous despite there being a smidgen of a genuine point there.
doesnt matter as clearly we both know its not gonna happen
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egb_hibs
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If you want to talk about ridiculous, then the endless referencing of our somewhat average and inefficient health service is ridiculous, especially as it never ever does anything than absorb more money. If you want to talk ridiculous then claiming the moral high ground from slashing people's earning power and stability in employment, and then preaching about the benefits you're going to pay them, is ridiculous.
Your 'progressive' alliance would further the interests of global capitalism and the bureaucrat class that manages the country on its behalf - who to boot agitate for an evermore extreme agenda of social liberalism / chaos which is the biggest driver of poverty after globalism (and possibly before it) and who find virtue in throwing other people's money at the damage. This lovely ideological marriage already broken the western world in 2008, but now we're to double down?
Vote for your class interest if you will, but please gies peace with the pretences to virtue. Calling for the middle class left to gang up to try and thwart the only meaningful blow ever landed on global capitalism? Aye on you go Bakunin. :coffee:
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Ps it's this kind of thing that is raising up the Trumps, Le Pens et al. The progressive Versailles is going to fall, but sadly and as always, we'll all get caught in the crossfire.
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seems to me this isn't about principles or ideals - its a hard pragmatic choice between an increasingly right wing tory government that are actively damaging the lives of the most vulnerable in our society while enriching the already wealthy or.... something else. I don't think the current something else has a hope of winning anything, so my proposal would be to try and make the best of a bad lot. If you honestly think the tories will deliver a blow to global capitalism then respectfully you're in cloud feckin cuckoo land. Thus the ridicule of your characterisation. aye on you go Franco but save us the platitudes about stickin it to the man ;P
ps seems like Sturgeon broadly agrees with me although she doesn't go so far as to advocate an electoral pact https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10807/nicola-sturgeon-confirms-snp-would-back-progressive-alliance-oust-tories-power - over to the other two
pps Mason now calling for a coalition - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/19/coalition-collaboration-tactical-voting-stop-hard-brexit
still no gonna happen
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