Disgusting state of the UK

[Archie]

Oh well from that source it'll all be entirely accurate.

Feel free to point out where it's wrong.

 

[Smurf]

Feel free to point out where it's wrong.

It's a woeful attempt to use three horrendous crimes to make a pathetic point on the brutal murder of Henry Nowak.

The other two horrendous crimes were committed by fucked up individuals. In the murder of Henry Nowak it was committed by another fucked up individual but the crime was compounded with the victim handcuffed by police because of institutionalised racism against white people brought about by woke bollocks championed by the Guardian.

 

[Archie]

It's a woeful attempt to use three horrendous crimes to make a pathetic point on the brutal murder of Henry Nowak.

The other two horrendous crimes were committed by fucked up individuals. In the murder of Henry Nowak it was committed by another fucked up individual but the crime was compounded with the victim handcuffed by police because of institutionalised racism against white people brought about by woke bollocks championed by the Guardian.

Really? Jo Cox was killed by a radicalised right winger. Wayne Couzins was protected by the police as he had previous It's your opinion that Henry Nowak was killed because of instututionalisd racism by the police. This is not a fact.

I think all things need to be considered in preventing this happening again. I'd prefer to wait for that process to play out rather than leaping to conclusions.

 

[Cavalier]

It's a woeful attempt to use three horrendous crimes to make a pathetic point on the brutal murder of Henry Nowak.

The other two horrendous crimes were committed by fucked up individuals. In the murder of Henry Nowak it was committed by another fucked up individual but the crime was compounded with the victim handcuffed by police because of institutionalised racism against white people brought about by woke bollocks championed by the Guardian.

Ah, one of my very favourite things when reading/listening to debates these days.

Incendiary language always calms things down.

 

[paigntonhibby]

Really? Jo Cox was killed by a radicalised right winger. Wayne Couzins was protected by the police as he had previous It's your opinion that Henry Nowak was killed because of instututionalisd racism by the police. This is not a fact.

I think all things need to be considered in preventing this happening again. I'd prefer to wait for that process to play out rather than leaping to conclusions.

No no no no Archie, he wasnt killed becsuse of institutionalised racism by the police, the police reacted the way they did because of a fear of being accused of institutional racism

 

[Archie]

No no no no Archie, he wasnt killed becsuse of institutionalised racism by the police, the police reacted the way they did because of a fear of being accused of institutional racism

You know this how? It can't be a screw up? It can't br a catastrophic misjudgement by the cops?

 

[Hattie]

No no no no Archie, he wasnt killed becsuse of institutionalised racism by the police, the police reacted the way they did because of a fear of being accused of institutional racism

He knows exactly mate. Can’t read his posts but this is why i blocked him…. Blind to facts he doesn’t like

 

[Sancho Panza]

You know this how? It can't be a screw up? It can't br a catastrophic misjudgement by the cops?

Would you say the same about George Floyd? Given that of the four cops that restrained him, 2 were white, 1 was black and 1 was Asian. Was that racist or a catastrophic fuck up?

 

[Sancho Panza]

Remember during all the BLM hysteria, how anyone who said all lives matter was a racist? Yeah...

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[Aushib9]

Spot on Ryan.
It really does beggar belief in the strategy behind the laws and reasoning in what is now become a United Kingdom without any laws protecting innocent citizens by way of cowardice in the name of a pathetic woke society who do not know what to think or how to go about daily lives without being a second thought in the eyes of the law when it involves different cultures outwith what our society have grew up with our entire lives, simply because that is now being deemed as inappropriate, racist or plainly hateful when cultures claim racism towards them by knowing their word comes before any common sense through fear of of the mad woke brigade, sorry, i mean the police

It came across ok, and your point is well made.
We have the same problems here in Australia probably even on a bigger scale. This stuff happens almost daily in the big cities. Although reading UK news about Australia it seems to be sharks, crocodiles, snakes and spiders that is our problem.
Last night alone in Sydney a gang shot up a venue where a funeral was to be held they used an AK47. Lebanese Muslim related.
Again in Sydney last night a mass brawl led to a stabbing in a shopping centre, young kid n hospital. Lebanese Muslim related.
There was a home invasion where a man’s hand was cut off, four men got away, police are searching for, GUESS WHAT?
The weak Labor government have 14 seats in NSW that are Muslim friendly, so they pander to them, they even bring in Isis brides from Syria who are known terrorists.
Britain is also weak for the same reason.
In Edinburgh you are lucky, at the moment. You don’t have many problems, they will come. Look at England, Birmingham and the likes these people hate western society but you will find thay vote labour.
Their counselers and candidate’s are pretty much all Muslim.
Use the word Muslim and you are branded a racist. It’s not a race it’s a religion.
I’ve no time for J.D. Vance but he made comments last night about Europe having lost control of its borders. He is right.
The uninformed protesters marching around in kafirs and waving Palestinian flags are only doing damage to Britain.

 

[Jack]

It came across ok, and your point is well made.
We have the same problems here in Australia probably even on a bigger scale. This stuff happens almost daily in the big cities. Although reading UK news about Australia it seems to be sharks, crocodiles, snakes and spiders that is our problem.
Last night alone in Sydney a gang shot up a venue where a funeral was to be held they used an AK47. Lebanese Muslim related.
Again in Sydney last night a mass brawl led to a stabbing in a shopping centre, young kid n hospital. Lebanese Muslim related.
There was a home invasion where a man’s hand was cut off, four men got away, police are searching for, GUESS WHAT?
The weak Labor government have 14 seats in NSW that are Muslim friendly, so they pander to them, they even bring in Isis brides from Syria who are known terrorists.
Britain is also weak for the same reason.
In Edinburgh you are lucky, at the moment. You don’t have many problems, they will come. Look at England, Birmingham and the likes these people hate western society but you will find thay vote labour.
Their counselers and candidate’s are pretty much all Muslim.
Use the word Muslim and you are branded a racist. It’s not a race it’s a religion.
I’ve no time for J.D. Vance but he made comments last night about Europe having lost control of its borders. He is right.
The uninformed protesters marching around in kafirs and waving Palestinian flags are only doing damage to Britain.

According to this Muslims are under represented in the UK and hold seats for Labour, the lying torys and SNP.

"An estimated 45 Muslim councillors were elected in England (24), Scotland (9) and Wales (12) in the local elections, constituting 0.9 percent of the 4,851 newly elected councillors"

 

[Hattie]

And still they tried to cover up!
Still tried and failed to dishonour his memory with lies.
STILL had the kiddy gloves on when dealing with the sikh after the fact.
Worst OF ALL…while handcuffing Nowak while in a prone position and clearly not in a situation to run or resist… when they realised Nowak has been telling the truth. They arrested the Sikh and DID NOT HANFCUFF him!!!
There’s even more, they were going to try and release a statement at a critical point of the trial, which for a police force is unheard of, to stain the character of Nowak.
This goes far deeper than a couple of cops simply overcompensating in their decisions.

Police tried to intervene in Henry Nowak murder trial — The Times and The Sunday Times

The police force at the centre of the Henry Nowak scandal tried to intervene during his murderer’s trial in a highly unusual move, The Sunday Times can reveal. The Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary sought to release a public statement to address what it described as “disinformation”...

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[Smurf]

According to this Muslims are under represented in the UK and hold seats for Labour, the lying torys and SNP.

"An estimated 45 Muslim councillors were elected in England (24), Scotland (9) and Wales (12) in the local elections, constituting 0.9 percent of the 4,851 newly elected councillors"

Denying the trajectory as always. There's massive change on the way in loads of different ways. Reform have what 5 MPs? And yet they're favourites to be the next UK Government so getting 326+ MPs. That's how quick things can change. In the UK Muslims accounted for 3% of the population in 2001. In 2021 it was 6.5%. In 2050 it's forecast to be 18%. That rapid growth is concentrated in particular areas. The Muslim Council for Britain already has political commitments that it seeks and there's no doubt a political movement will form and emerge to best the best representation to their interests.

 

[Westside Green]

And still they tried to cover up!
Still tried and failed to dishonour his memory with lies.
STILL had the kiddy gloves on when dealing with the sikh after the fact.
Worst OF ALL…while handcuffing Nowak while in a prone position and clearly not in a situation to run or resist… when they realised Nowak has been telling the truth. They arrested the Sikh and DID NOT HANFCUFF him!!!
There’s even more, they were going to try and release a statement at a critical point of the trial, which for a police force is unheard of, to stain the character of Nowak.
This goes far deeper than a couple of cops simply overcompensating in their decisions.

Police tried to intervene in Henry Nowak murder trial — The Times and The Sunday Times

The police force at the centre of the Henry Nowak scandal tried to intervene during his murderer’s trial in a highly unusual move, The Sunday Times can reveal. The Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary sought to release a public statement to address what it described as “disinformation”...

apple.news

Court proceedings have started, any trial will be at a later date.

 

[Hattie]

Court proceedings have started, any trial will be at a later

Eh?

 

[Westside Green]

Eh?

The trial is when the jury is sitting there and all the evidence is presented. The rest is all preliminary hearings, pleading diets, etc.

 

[Beagle]

Denying the trajectory as always. There's massive change on the way in loads of different ways. Reform have what 5 MPs? And yet they're favourites to be the next UK Government so getting 326+ MPs. That's how quick things can change. In the UK Muslims accounted for 3% of the population in 2001. In 2021 it was 6.5%. In 2050 it's forecast to be 18%. That rapid growth is concentrated in particular areas. The Muslim Council for Britain already has political commitments that it seeks and there's no doubt a political movement will form and emerge to best the best representation to their interests.

Bang the drum all you like for Reform ltd, they’re whipping up racial tensions and taking folk for mugs.
In 2050 the forecast is for the Muslim community to be 18%.
That means 82% aren’t just to put things into perspective.
Besides, by 2050 we’re all going to be worm food or ashes.
Enjoy your day

 

[Westside Green]

Bang the drum all you like for Reform ltd, they’re whipping up racial tensions and taking folk for mugs.
In 2050 the forecast is for the Muslim community to be 18%.
That means 82% aren’t just to put things into perspective.
Besides, by 2050 we’re all going to be worm food or ashes.
Enjoy your day

I'm hoping to still be here for the next part of hertz fucking it up on the last day due in 2066. You'll only be 104.

 

[Archie]

Would you say the same about George Floyd? Given that of the four cops that restrained him, 2 were white, 1 was black and 1 was Asian. Was that racist or a catastrophic fuck up?

There's a desperation here to compare this directly with the killing of George Floyd. There are fundamental differences.

The first and obvious one is that George Floyd was killed by the police. There are varying estimates as to how long Derek Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck, but it was around 9 minutes. He was unresponsive for about 5 of these minutes.

The police did not kill Henry Nowak. The timeline from him being cuffed to being given CPR appears to be 1 minute. And an ambulance was called. Sadly there lad had no chance given his injuries.

These are facts, not opinion.

The questions to my mind that need to be addressed are: were the police following protocols and, if so, was there a racial element to how these were formed and implemented?

There is then the claim that there is anti-white two tier policing. In the US there is mountains of evidence about racial bias in policing.

To establish the case in the UK there would need to be a systematic review to look at cases and to identify evidence of bias before drawing a conclusion.

But we don't have evidence for it, despite those shrieking that it is 'obvious' or that those challenging the anti-white policing narrative are 'basket cases'. People will believe what they want to believe. Often facts don't come into that.

Now if evidence was found that there was anti-white bias then of course that should be addressed. Again, based on facts.

This was a very quick incident. @Beagle gave a very helpful account of what might have happened and why. It's a plausible narrative thst no one shouting on here seems terribly interterested in. Maybe it's just too inconvenient.

And finally, your point about the race of the officers involved in the killing of George Floyd. That's the whole point about institutional racism. It's not about whether an individual is racist. It's about the organisational culture.

 

[Hattie]

The trial is when the jury is sitting there and all the evidence is presented. The rest is all preliminary hearings, pleading diets, etc.

Yeah but the trial, court proceedings have all finished
The police wanted to release a statement at a very critical stage of the trial, which would’ve had massive implications.. why would they even think of doing that when it is unheard of before?

 

[Westside Green]

Yeah but the trial, court proceedings have all finished
The police wanted to release a statement at a very critical stage of the trial, which would’ve had massive implications.. why would they even think of doing that when it is unheard of before?

I thought this murder had happened recently

 

[Beagle]

I'm hoping to still be here for the next part of hertz fucking it up on the last day due in 2066. You'll only be 104.

In 2050 I’d be 87. Just now, If I’m here another 7 years, I’ll have exceeded the lifespan of both my parents.

 

[Bangkokhibby]

In 2050 I’d be 87. Just now, If I’m here another 7 years, I’ll have exceeded the lifespan of both my parents.

I said for years if I live to 70 I'll have outlived both parents and 3 grandparents.
A very intelligent doctor friend told me to completely forget that as there is a school of thought that if you focus enough on a certain age your brain/body might just think it's done it's bit.

 

[Jack]

Denying the trajectory as always. There's massive change on the way in loads of different ways. Reform have what 5 MPs? And yet they're favourites to be the next UK Government so getting 326+ MPs. That's how quick things can change. In the UK Muslims accounted for 3% of the population in 2001. In 2021 it was 6.5%. In 2050 it's forecast to be 18%. That rapid growth is concentrated in particular areas. The Muslim Council for Britain already has political commitments that it seeks and there's no doubt a political movement will form and emerge to best the best representation to their interests.

I didn't deny any trajectory. I didn't even mention one

I quoted a piece on what actually happened in the most recent council elections. That's all.

 

[paigntonhibby]

According to this Muslims are under represented in the UK and hold seats for Labour, the lying torys and SNP.

"An estimated 45 Muslim councillors were elected in England (24), Scotland (9) and Wales (12) in the local elections, constituting 0.9 percent of the 4,851 newly elected councillors"

There are approx 500 muslim councillors in UK

 

[Sancho Panza]

There's a desperation here to compare this directly with the killing of George Floyd. There are fundamental differences.

The first and obvious one is that George Floyd was killed by the police. There are varying estimates as to how long Derek Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck, but it was around 9 minutes. He was unresponsive for about 5 of these minutes.

The police did not kill Henry Nowak. The timeline from him being cuffed to being given CPR appears to be 1 minute. And an ambulance was called. Sadly there lad had no chance given his injuries.

These are facts, not opinion.

The questions to my mind that need to be addressed are: were the police following protocols and, if so, was there a racial element to how these were formed and implemented?

There is then the claim that there is anti-white two tier policing. In the US there is mountains of evidence about racial bias in policing.

To establish the case in the UK there would need to be a systematic review to look at cases and to identify evidence of bias before drawing a conclusion.

But we don't have evidence for it, despite those shrieking that it is 'obvious' or that those challenging the anti-white policing narrative are 'basket cases'. People will believe what they want to believe. Often facts don't come into that.

Now if evidence was found that there was anti-white bias then of course that should be addressed. Again, based on facts.

This was a very quick incident. @Beagle gave a very helpful account of what might have happened and why. It's a plausible narrative thst no one shouting on here seems terribly interterested in. Maybe it's just too inconvenient.

And finally, your point about the race of the officers involved in the killing of George Floyd. That's the whole point about institutional racism. It's not about whether an individual is racist. It's about the organisational culture.

Maybe you could also explain how the death of some random bloke thousands of miles away led to social hysteria in the UK? Politicians and sports publicly taking the knee. Violent demos and marches tolerated and even encouraged during lockdown for a global pandemic while most of us were confined indoors. Anyone who correctly pointed out that all lives should be of equal value were excoriated as racist.
And there you have it. The fear of being branded racist is so all-pervasive now it has facilitated the industrial rape of thousands of white working class girls. It stopped a security guard from challenging the Manchester Arena bomber. It prevented the teacher of Axel Rudakabana from acting on her fears because black boy with a knife was supposedly a racial stereotype.
It seems to be the worst thing anyone can be accused of now because it's career destroying and it no doubt played a part in the Henry Nowak case.
I've read Beagle's post and it's a plausible interpretation. But ask yourself this. If victim and offender were reversed, would the police have behaved in an identical manner? If you don't believe that they would have, then THAT is two-tier policing.

 

[Smurf]

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[Hattie]

I thought this murder had happened recently

The guy just got 21 years minimum

 

[Hattie]

Maybe you could also explain how the death of some random bloke thousands of miles away led to social hysteria in the UK? Politicians and sports publicly taking the knee. Violent demos and marches tolerated and even encouraged during lockdown for a global pandemic while most of us were confined indoors. Anyone who correctly pointed out that all lives should be of equal value were excoriated as racist.
And there you have it. The fear of being branded racist is so all-pervasive now it has facilitated the industrial rape of thousands of white working class girls. It stopped a security guard from challenging the Manchester Arena bomber. It prevented the teacher of Axel Rudakabana from acting on her fears because black boy with a knife was supposedly a racial stereotype.
It seems to be the worst thing anyone can be accused of now because it's career destroying and it no doubt played a part in the Henry Nowak case.
I've read Beagle's post and it's a plausible interpretation. But ask yourself this. If victim and offender were reversed, would the police have behaved in an identical manner? If you don't believe that they would have, then THAT is two-tier policing.

Well it kinda reversed itself, when the cops eventually reslised Nowak was telling the truth they srrested the Sickh, but after handcuffing the prone and injured Nowak for allegedly racist abuse, thry arrested the Sikh fir stabbing him, murdered, him, but they NEVER handcuffed him… it just gets more and more blatant racism against whites.
They even took him into the kitchen at the police station so as as he could choose his food ffs

 

[Archie]

Maybe you could also explain how the death of some random bloke thousands of miles away led to social hysteria in the UK? Politicians and sports publicly taking the knee. Violent demos and marches tolerated and even encouraged during lockdown for a global pandemic while most of us were confined indoors. Anyone who correctly pointed out that all lives should be of equal value were excoriated as racist.
And there you have it. The fear of being branded racist is so all-pervasive now it has facilitated the industrial rape of thousands of white working class girls. It stopped a security guard from challenging the Manchester Arena bomber. It prevented the teacher of Axel Rudakabana from acting on her fears because black boy with a knife was supposedly a racial stereotype.
It seems to be the worst thing anyone can be accused of now because it's career destroying and it no doubt played a part in the Henry Nowak case.
I've read Beagle's post and it's a plausible interpretation. But ask yourself this. If victim and offender were reversed, would the police have behaved in an identical manner? If you don't believe that they would have, then THAT is two-tier policing.

Whew. So you asked about what was the difference between George Floyd's death and Henry Nowak's. Do I take it you accept my analysis?

As for the rest of your post there's assertion after assertion and extremely loaded language.

FWIW I think George Floyd's murder just captured a moment. It was filmed and I think people couldn't believe the callousness of the police involved. No official narrative could hide it. A bit like the ICE killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. It was there for the world to see. And a lot of issues coalesced around this. Were you not horrified by these events?

I should say many clearly weren't that bothered. Look how George Floyd is routinely denegrated on here, as if that justifies his killing.

I genuinely don't know why people get so upset by the statement Black Lives Matter? It's not saying they matter more, just that they have the same value. Something, particularly in the US, that needed said.

As for the 'encouraged violent disorder' who did? It's like the ubiquitous 'they' who feature a lot on here. It makes a lot of difference who called for it.

And rioting isn't universally condemned here. There's lot's of understanding here for the Southport rioters.

Misplaced concerns about racism must be addressed as in the case of the rape gangs. Of course it must.

So what would you do? Scrap the Equalty Act? Assert that racism is no longer a thing? What is it you want? It appears to me to be another example of the smash it up approach to issues these days.

As fot your question would the Nowak case be the same if the roles were reversed? I have no idea. And to be fair nor do you, despite you appearing to really want it to be the case.

 

[Smurf]

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[Westside Green]

The guy just got 21 years minimum

I just heard all the uproar when the video came out and thought it had just happened. Didn't read or hear that it was December last year that it happened. I didn't even know he'd been sentenced until I googled it this morning.

 

[Gorgiegreens]

Well it kinda reversed itself, when the cops eventually reslised Nowak was telling the truth they srrested the Sickh, but after handcuffing the prone and injured Nowak for allegedly racist abuse, thry arrested the Sikh fir stabbing him, murdered, him, but they NEVER handcuffed him… it just gets more and more blatant racism against whites.
They even took him into the kitchen at the police station so as as he could choose his food ffs

Alledgedly the poor tnuc has just had boiling water & sugar fired in his face at HMP

 

[Dub]

Archie folk watched the arsehole bend his knee for something that happened in America.

The the BLM riots where the polis took the knee or ran away.

And what Farage said resonates with the public because they are watching the polis run away from BLM riots.

They ran away when the Roma rioted in Yorkshire.

There's a seething anger all over the land mate.

Aye the laddies family made a statement and it was ignored.

Maybe folk in Southampton have seen two tier justice at work and decided they have had enough.

Those riots in Southampton will help Reform no end that much is true.

But maybe the fuckin idiot in number 10 could do his bit by questioning why there is two tier justice.

But he's a fuckin idiot and can't see anything that's in front of him.

Not so much seeing as the "two-tier" police are starting to arrest the culprits who will doubtless be banged up and unable to vote. Meanwhile, the odious *&*^ Farage will grift along as always.

 

[Doc Shrink]

There was a home invasion where a man’s hand was cut off, four men got away, police are searching for, GUESS WHAT?

A man’s hand?

 

[Slippery kaboosh]

A man’s hand?

 

[paigntonhibby]

Whew. So you asked about what was the difference between George Floyd's death and Henry Nowak's. Do I take it you accept my analysis?

As for the rest of your post there's assertion after assertion and extremely loaded language.

FWIW I think George Floyd's murder just captured a moment. It was filmed and I think people couldn't believe the callousness of the police involved. No official narrative could hide it. A bit like the ICE killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. It was there for the world to see. And a lot of issues coalesced around this. Were you not horrified by these events?

I should say many clearly weren't that bothered. Look how George Floyd is routinely denegrated on here, as if that justifies his killing.

I genuinely don't know why people get so upset by the statement Black Lives Matter? It's not saying they matter more, just that they have the same value. Something, particularly in the US, that needed said.

As for the 'encouraged violent disorder' who did? It's like the ubiquitous 'they' who feature a lot on here. It makes a lot of difference who called for it.

And rioting isn't universally condemned here. There's lot's of understanding here for the Southport rioters.

Misplaced concerns about racism must be addressed as in the case of the rape gangs. Of course it must.

So what would you do? Scrap the Equalty Act? Assert that racism is no longer a thing? What is it you want? It appears to me to be another example of the smash it up approach to issues these days.

As fot your question would the Nowak case be the same if the roles were reversed? I have no idea. And to be fair nor do you, despite you appearing to really want it to be the case.

Archie, anybody who critisised the BLM movement were accused of being racist and there was plenty to critisise, the protests , the riots, the pulling down and desecrating of statues, taking the knee etc, all for a black american career crimimal who wouldve probably stabbed you as soon as look at you. And all acceptable to the " right on" brigade of the time.
Now that same "right on" brigade are screaming blue murder at the protests about what happened in southampton, far right racist thugs apparently, politicians coming out with" all lives matter" the same phrase that got a few, including on here, branded as racist by the BLM believers.
I would rewrite the equality act , i would shelve all the proposed blasphemy laws .
As i said before you cant blame the individual coppers, theyre scared to be seen as racist, but you can absolutely blame all the woke shite thats being shat on their heads

 

[Archie]

Archie, anybody who critisised the BLM movement were accused of being racist and there was plenty to critisise, the protests , the riots, the pulling down and desecrating of statues, taking the knee etc, all for a black american career crimimal who wouldve probably stabbed you as soon as look at you. And all acceptable to the " right on" brigade of the time.
Now that same "right on" brigade are screaming blue murder at the protests about what happened in southampton, far right racist thugs apparently, politicians coming out with" all lives matter" the same phrase that got a few, including on here, branded as racist by the BLM believers.

Life isn't binary. I thought BLM was a powerful statement. I certainly didn't agree with riots or toppling statues. It's a real social media thing that if you support x then you must support y. That's just not true, whatever you think the 'right on brigade' is. What do base the claim that George Floyd would have 'stabbed you as soon as look at you'?

I would rewrite the equality act , i would shelve all the proposed blasphemy laws .

Agree re blasphemy laws. How would you rewrite the Equality Act? What would you change and why?

As i said before you cant blame the individual coppers, theyre scared to be seen as racist, but you can absolutely blame all the woke shite thats being shat on their heads

You might think this, but until there's a detailed investigation then none of us know. As an aside, what do you mean by 'woke shite'.

 

[Aushib9]

A man’s hand?

I thought that after I wrote it, but was too lazy to change it, it took me about half an hour just to write that piece.

 

[Cavalier]

I'm astounded at how much publicity this case is getting.
Maybe a member of an overwhelmingly law-abiding "minority" (rather than the usual suspects) being the villain accounts for that.
The regular rent-a-mob - Diane, George, Owen - aren't accustomed to jumping to the defence of Sikhs

Simple fact is, in every society there are groups of people to whom the police do not give the benefit of the doubt and groups the police mistrust. In some countries, there are groups for which the police have downright hatred.
When dealing with these groups, the police cannot realistically be expected to act even-handedly.

I've lived in seven major cities. Five were almost monoethnic & monocultural when I lived there: Edinburgh, Dublin, Sydney, Bangkok & Seoul. The other two - London & Kuala Lumpur - were very multiethnic & multicultural.
Regardless of the ethnicity, religion, culture or ideology of the groups the police mistrusted, the reasons the police mistrusted them were almost identical in all those places.

We have created an offence in this country that is regarded as exceptionally serious, yet is very poorly defined. From the perspective of most outsiders, the definition of what constitutes that offence seems to encompass an uncomfortable amount of almost universal behaviour. The offence is "racism."

Unlike "Enemy of the People" in pseudo-socialist regimes, the offence of "racism" has not been deliberately brought to prominence for nefarious reasons. Nor has it been "defined" by the government with a feckless degree of ambiguity for self-serving purposes.
In my view, both the bringing to prominence and the debilitating lack of definition have stemmed from honourable intentions.

However, we seem to have reached the point where the existence of "racism" as an offence has a similar impact on the average citizen as the existence of "Enemy of the People."
With no meaningful definition of the offence, it is very difficult to construct a defence against the allegation.
People alter their behaviour in what would normally be considered illogical & counterproductive ways, in order to avoid the possibility of an accusation being made.
Hence the lack of intervention by officialdom in the face of seemingly indisputable evidence of organised rape gangs.

"Racism" is viewed as the most vile behaviour imaginable. Once an allegation of "racism" is made, the accused cannot expect the benefit of the doubt, from either the police or the wider criminal justice system.
It's not quite, "Who will defend the witch!?...and thus condemn himself to death by burning when the witch is found guilty!?" but we're getting there.

Most people, police included, are quick to seize any opportunity to demonstrate their "anti-racism."
I'd be confident the police in this case were seizing just such an opportunity.

With "Enemy of the People", the average citizen is likely to be hesitant about making an accusation, for the obvious reason that the chances of his own collar being felt on an identical charge are uncomfortably high. Only those in high places, confident of their secure position in the hierarchy, tend to point fingers at an "Enemy of the People."

With "racism", members of the hierarchy can also usually make accusations from a position of confidence. However, we also have groups of the lumpen proletariat who can make accusations of "racism", confident that they enjoy immunity from the possibility of the charge being brought against them. This is problematic.

In my view, the most dangerous and self-destructive thing a society can do is to allow its government to stigmatise - or outlaw - standard behaviour. In the case of "racism", we have not only stigmatised standard behaviour, we've stigmatised universal behaviour.

The easiest way to see this is the attitude to immigration.

I will say at this point that the UK's immigration system cost me €50,000+ fairly recently, when I was still in Seoul. That's a lot of money to me and it made my life very difficult for a while. I'm not going into the circumstances, but it goes without saying that I'm not too pleased about it and it does colour my view of the policies - and especially what I view as the ludicrous priorities - the UK adopts when deciding who should be allowed in and who should be hoyed out.

Every country on this planet operates a more-or-less identical immigration system. 98% of non-nationals have very little chance of gaining citizenship or permanent residence. This applies everywhere. From Communist countries to military dictatorships. This has been the case for well over a century. Every credible opposition party, everywhere, has always supported that stance. I would argue strongly that the main reasons for border control are primarily economic, but that's a different debate.
Rich countries - from Bahrain to Botswana - do not even grant visitor's visas to 90%+ of the world's population, because of a fear that they'll abscond and vanish into the black economy.

Yet, in light of this universally accepted global policy of extremely restrictive regulation of immigration, we've created a climate in which anyone questioning the UK government's decision to grant a UK passport or permanent residence to any individual will be regarded as "racist."
It's the only field in which any criticism of a government decision will be widely denounced.

Compare the situation with any other favours the government might grant someone.
Joe Schmoe is appointed to the House of Lords.
Charlie Chalk gets a job with a "grace & favour" mansion.
Sally Soap is made well-paid chair of a Quango.
Bert Bloggs is given a "golden handshake."
Mary Minger is granted a generous pension.
All five of them go on a funded "fact-finding" trip to Barbados.
Joe, Charlie, Sally, Bert & Mary can expect plenty of flak. The government can expect more.
The decisions will be scrutinised and probably widely criticised.

Same goes for other government decisions.
Introduce, increase, reduce or abolish a tax on something. There will be criticism.
Raise or lower a speed limit. There will be criticism.
Spend money on this new bridge or road. There will be criticism.
Criminalise or decriminalise some behaviour. There will be criticism.
Nobody screams a word ending in "phobia" or "ism" at the critics.

Why and how have we arrived at a situation where the most reprehensible thing a citizen can do is to criticise a UK government decision that is the opposite of the decision that the UK government (& every other government in the world) makes in 98%+ of similar cases?

As for the overall perception of "racism" that exists in The West, I'm not going into that in a post that's already too long.
However, I will say that almost nobody I've encountered outside The West believes in the existence of people so lacking in intelligence and so obsessed with appearance that they discriminate against others solely on the grounds of ethnicity, skin colour or other physical features.
In The West, we believe that such people - "racists" - are all around us.

Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong, but almost everyone outside The West believes that if someone dislikes Jews, Blacks, Scots, Muslims, the bast... ehhh, sorry... the English or the Chinese, they dislike them for broadly similar reasons to those for which they themselves dislike certain social groups.
You know. The sort of reasons we might dislike Huns or Tories or Trump supporters. The same reasons folk dislike Goths or Punks. Or Airdrie fans. Or Jehovah's Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventists. Or Uber drivers, pipers, charity muggers outside stations, bike gangs, cold-calling salesmen, Communists, advertising executives, e-bike speedsters, Humza Yousaf, vegans or Creationists.
They do not believe there is some glaring mental deficiency involved in the process of forming a dislike of certain people, groups or other things.
Weird people, foreigners, eh?

Any way, the problem in the case of this unfortunate lad, a nutter, who just happens to be a Sikh, and a bunch of bizzies of typical bizzie intellect, is the existence of a justified paranoid around being accused of an undefined - and, in the minds of almost all non-Westerners, largely imaginary - offence.
This paranoia leads to a "treading on eggshells" mentality on one side of many everyday situations, and an enthusiasm for grandiose "virtue signalling" and dangerous over-reaction on the other side of them.
By all means have laws against unfair discriminatory practices, but laws that are so vaguely defined that they put the fear of The Almighty into normal folk, going about their normal business, are dangerous.
They need ditching.

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