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I’m blocked by Galloway on Twitter but this sums him up.I find that arsehole Galloway much more objectionable.
You think it's okay to hold Jews collectively responsible for the actions of Israel? That's antisemitic and it is defined as such in the Labour Party's own code of conduct which is why Hatton was suspended.As to Hatton....his tweet said.....
"Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel." I personally do not find that unreasonble.
With over 50 years in the Labour and Trade Union Movement I have met dozens of Jewish friends no doubt as Hatton has, who have opposed actively the action of the State of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. More so ones who have visited and experienced over decades.
Attacking Hatton for having silvery suits or what he does now is crass nonsense.
I'm actually sympathetic with your view on this, though it would carry a bit more weight if the people arguing it had been equally vociferous about all muslims being told that they have to be stronger in their condemnation of islamic terrorismYou think it's okay to hold Jews collectively responsible for the actions of Israel? That's antisemitic and it is defined as such in the Labour Party's own code of conduct which is why Hatton was suspended.
Yes. Although quite a lot of people have done that. Me, for one, although I am admittedly not influential.I'm actually sympathetic with your view on this, though it would carry a bit more weight if the people arguing it had been equally vociferous about all muslims being told that they have to be stronger in their condemnation of islamic terrorism
The point I'm making is that those doing so have not repeatedly been called racists. Indeed the very media and politicians deliberately obscuring the difference between anti-Israel and anti-Semitism are often the ones attacking Muslims for not marching against terrorism.Yes. Although quite a lot of people have done that. Me, for one, although I am admittedly not influential.
I think there is a complete lack of balance in the attention given to this and I think it is political. Christ one of the breakaway MPs uses terms about funny tinged people and after 12 hours its put down to her being tired. The Goldsmith campaign has never been condemned by the Tory Party and the media pretty much schtoom about it. The suspension of racist Tory Councillors then let back into the party and not a dicky bird. If you can't see an issue here I don't think you're looking hard enough.The left are quite welcome to go, "yeah, there might be some issues with racism in Labour but the tories are awful too" but that isn't a movement I personally would want anything to do with.
Its not that they are being weaponized by opponents but that they are taken as fact when those opponents mention them that I have a problem with. And the lack of Jewish voices on the other side is equally problematic. Jewish Voice for Labour get very little attention for example, but the conservative Jewish groups are taken as speaking for all Jews.Obviously some of Labour's antisemitism issue has been weaponised by opponents and no doubt exaggerated. In what political world would that not happen? But that doesn't mean it's not there and unfortunately and as I say probably inadvertently, this thread goes some way towards showing that.