Derek Hatton rejoins Labour Party... (1 Viewer)

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Great news welcome back Deeks, 71 now, after over 30 years expulsion. Ha ha Neil Kinnock. George Galloway next please....
 

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Must admit I never could stand Deggsy.
Him and his tinfoil suits.
 

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Hatton has been suspended from the party already over Tweets that are being investigated
 

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Hatton has been suspended from the party already over Tweets that are being investigated
A tweet from 2012 criticizing the Israeli government? Just what do they think will be achieved with this circus?
 

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The Blairites will use any excuse. Let's face it, the Israeli regime already get away with murder....
 

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He wasn't suspended for criticising the Israeli government. Unwittingly or not, a defence of this is a defence of antisemitism.
 

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Hatton, the "broadcaster, property developer, businessman and after-dinner speaker" is an arse, and always has been. Just because he was once working-class doesn't place him beyond reproach, although it would appear that fact does absolve anything in some folk's eyes.
 
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He wasn't suspended for criticising the Israeli government. Unwittingly or not, a defence of this is a defence of antisemitism.
Utter rubbish.

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I put up a reply to P and G on this matter that seems to have disappeared. In essence saying that 2012 tweet was re
tweeted by Corbyn hating Blairite Labour MP Ian Austin, I predicted he would be the next careerest traitor to fuck off. Wish I had put dough on this. He resigned today.Ta ta with you and your 22 majority at the last election. There are loads of these right wing Labour carpetbaggers in my party. As to Hatton....his tweet said......
"Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel." I personally do not find that unreasonble.
With over 50 years in the Labour and Trade Union Movement I have met dozens of Jewish friends no doubt as Hatton has, who have opposed actively the action of the State of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. More so ones who have visited and experienced over decades.
Attacking Hatton for having silvery suits or what he does now is crass nonsense.

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goodbye to all Blairites thanks, working class traitors just make sure you have a by-election before you go!
 

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Closer to what Rank and File members of the Labour Party believe, than many on the Bounce, Sun, Express, Daily Mail, Telegraph et al. Dialectics will prove them all wrong and I will be the first to come back and remind some.

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As to Hatton....his tweet said......
"Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel." I personally do not find that unreasonble.
With over 50 years in the Labour and Trade Union Movement I have met dozens of Jewish friends no doubt as Hatton has, who have opposed actively the action of the State of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. More so ones who have visited and experienced over decades.
Attacking Hatton for having silvery suits or what he does now is crass nonsense.

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You think it's okay to hold Jews collectively responsible for the actions of Israel? That's antisemitic and it is defined as such in the Labour Party's own code of conduct which is why Hatton was suspended.
 
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In my opinion Derek is welcome back in the Labour party, just look at what is happening to local authorities nowadays with the austerity agenda and year on year cuts, if more councils showed the courage and commitment to their people that Liverpool city council did in the 80's we'd be a lot better off for it.
 

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You think it's okay to hold Jews collectively responsible for the actions of Israel? That's antisemitic and it is defined as such in the Labour Party's own code of conduct which is why Hatton was suspended.
I'm actually sympathetic with your view on this, though it would carry a bit more weight if the people arguing it had been equally vociferous about all muslims being told that they have to be stronger in their condemnation of islamic terrorism
 
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I'm actually sympathetic with your view on this, though it would carry a bit more weight if the people arguing it had been equally vociferous about all muslims being told that they have to be stronger in their condemnation of islamic terrorism
Yes. Although quite a lot of people have done that. Me, for one, although I am admittedly not influential.

The left are quite welcome to go, "yeah, there might be some issues with racism in Labour but the tories are awful too" but that isn't a movement I personally would want anything to do with.

Obviously some of Labour's antisemitism issue has been weaponised by opponents and no doubt exaggerated. In what political world would that not happen? But that doesn't mean it's not there and unfortunately and as I say probably inadvertently, this thread goes some way towards showing that.
 

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Yes. Although quite a lot of people have done that. Me, for one, although I am admittedly not influential.
The point I'm making is that those doing so have not repeatedly been called racists. Indeed the very media and politicians deliberately obscuring the difference between anti-Israel and anti-Semitism are often the ones attacking Muslims for not marching against terrorism.

The left are quite welcome to go, "yeah, there might be some issues with racism in Labour but the tories are awful too" but that isn't a movement I personally would want anything to do with.
I think there is a complete lack of balance in the attention given to this and I think it is political. Christ one of the breakaway MPs uses terms about funny tinged people and after 12 hours its put down to her being tired. The Goldsmith campaign has never been condemned by the Tory Party and the media pretty much schtoom about it. The suspension of racist Tory Councillors then let back into the party and not a dicky bird. If you can't see an issue here I don't think you're looking hard enough.

Obviously some of Labour's antisemitism issue has been weaponised by opponents and no doubt exaggerated. In what political world would that not happen? But that doesn't mean it's not there and unfortunately and as I say probably inadvertently, this thread goes some way towards showing that.
Its not that they are being weaponized by opponents but that they are taken as fact when those opponents mention them that I have a problem with. And the lack of Jewish voices on the other side is equally problematic. Jewish Voice for Labour get very little attention for example, but the conservative Jewish groups are taken as speaking for all Jews.
 

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